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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on December 13, 2011, 09:55:03 pm
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after getting back into the cleaning side of things im just wondering what average sort of figure most sole cleaners try and achieve daily, i worked my balls off today on to be fair underpriced work on quite a nice estate and only did £163 prob should have been £185 if priced correctly.
just trying to see how my pace of work compares to others
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To be honest i think thats about right.I know alot that dont make that and a few that
make more,but thats based on where i live.
If i put effort in all day every day i can make a high wage but i get fed up by 2pm and off home by 3pm ;D
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my mate reakons 2 people should make 300 a day, i am happy making 100, but i dont start tlll after nine and am usually sat at home for 2, with out breaking a sweat
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i set myself £350 pound worth for a full day, and up to £185 for a half day (working 8-12). Did £340 today and had a break in the morning for coffee, lunch with my parents and home by 4:10 ;D . They are rounds that I've been cleaning for 4 months now so i know them pretty well.
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i set myself £350 pound worth for a full day, and up to £185 for a half day (working 8-12). Did £340 today and had a break in the morning for coffee, lunch with my parents and home by 4:10 ;D . They are rounds that I've been cleaning for 4 months now so i know them pretty well.
sorry, this is working on my own, and i am working pretty full on at this rate
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To earn a shed load of dough and get home asap
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after getting back into the cleaning side of things im just wondering what average sort of figure most sole cleaners try and achieve daily, i worked my balls off today on to be fair underpriced work on quite a nice estate and only did £163 prob should have been £185 if priced correctly.
just trying to see how my pace of work compares to others
That's terrible. Your staff make £500 a day and you can't turn over half?
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Sounds similar to what I make chap - ive got rounds where I can work from 9 till 2 ish and earn really well - next day on the older, underpriced stuff where it feels really draining to do - having said that I earn much more now than I ever did doing 40 odd hrs in a factory :)
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i need to really look at pricing next year. up here it's grim :(
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i set myself £350 pound worth for a full day,
Working on your own?
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i set myself £350 pound worth for a full day,
Working on your own?
yes. by myself. even managing it on these short days. i'm not saying it's easy, but i'm not exhausted after a days work either, just tired! :D
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i set myself £350 pound worth for a full day,
Working on your own?
yes. by myself. even managing it on these short days. i'm not saying it's easy, but i'm not exhausted after a days work either, just tired! :D
Is that most or every day?
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i set myself £350 pound worth for a full day,
Working on your own?
yes. by myself. even managing it on these short days. i'm not saying it's easy, but i'm not exhausted after a days work either, just tired! :D
it's not everyday, it's about 2 days a week at the moment and 2 half days. still building my round up, but will get to that everyday and will be able to work at the current pace without difficulty
Is that most or every day?
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how many jobs are you doing for that richard
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So you are not long into it Richard, and you are making well over one thousand pound a week?
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So you are not long into it and you are making over one thousand pound a week?
yes Ronnie. It's 18 months in now and its been a roller coaster for me. we had a fire this time last year, 5 months in, and it cost me a fortune. so i;'ve got a lot of debt that i'm paying off, and not making stacks of proffit as a result
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how many jobs are you doing for that richard
today i did 24 houses, some of them bigguns. other days i;ve done 32 houses
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im always interested to hear how people price work and how
to improve working practices to speed my day up.
to compare my days takings to anothers is pointless.
try to earn what you think you can achieve not what others say
they acomplish.
at the mo im reasonably happy with what i earn,thats enough
for me :)
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how many jobs are you doing for that richard
today i did 24 houses, some of them bigguns. other days i;ve done 32 houses
By yourself or with your staff?
Do your staff do more or less than you?
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how many jobs are you doing for that richard
today i did 24 houses, some of them bigguns. other days i;ve done 32 houses
By yourself or with your staff?
Do your staff do more or less than you?
that's by myself. i used to have a member of staff who was achieving similar. had to let him go tho due as wage bill too hi (see previous post re the fire last year)
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what was you paying him, if you are making 700 a day and cant afford him
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how many jobs are you doing for that richard
today i did 24 houses, some of them bigguns. other days i;ve done 32 houses
By yourself or with your staff?
Do your staff do more or less than you?
that's by myself. i used to have a member of staff who was achieving similar. had to let him go tho due as wage bill too hi (see previous post re the fire last year)
What did the fire do to cause you to let go a lad earning you £1700 per week!!! :o ;D
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what was you paying him, if you are making 700 a day and cant afford him
i wasnt making £700 a day!!!! otherwise i wouldnt have had a problem! ;)
i wasnt working on the van til he left. i only started on the van 4 months ago. he was bringing in the same monehy as i am now. i had 2 guys working together early last year, but could never get great results from that. they would push £400 a day but not get beyond that so i had to let the slow one go. when i've grown a but again i'll get another new guy to work alongside me and we'll work out how to hit £500/day together
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Richy i seen n another post that you had to get rid of one of the lads that work for you?? Whats happened matey?
Danny
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how many jobs are you doing for that richard
today i did 24 houses, some of them bigguns. other days i;ve done 32 houses
By yourself or with your staff?
Do your staff do more or less than you?
that's by myself. i used to have a member of staff who was achieving similar. had to let him go tho due as wage bill too hi (see previous post re the fire last year)
What did the fire do to cause you to let go a lad earning you £1700 per week!!! :o ;D
i wasn't earning that much. somewhere around 1200/week
fire destroyed all my customer records for both businesses so lost all details of all of our work. wiped out our phone system, computer databases et etc etc.
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Good job you escaped or your wooden nose would have gone up too. ;D
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Good job you escaped or your wooden nose would have gone up too. ;D
:o
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Good job you escaped or your wooden nose would have gone up too. ;D
lol ;D
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i wish i could get a few slow lads to earn £400 a day
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Richard before you take anybody else on I would invest in a calculator as your numbers don't add up ;)
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mmmmm..........!how come richard is earning a lot more money a day and he s only been at it 18 months?you must have some good priced posh accounts to be making £350-£400 a day when you work 9am-4pm!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
where are you based?if its around central london or surrey i believe you!!anywhere else and i think your pulling our legs!!
i dont know any one man bands that earn that per day on a regular basis on maintenance window cleaning.
anything from £150-£250 a day for me working 9pm-4pm with an hour for lunch/coffee breaks/moving van.
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What I don't understand is you building a successful cleaning business up from scratch with 13 staff etc then you go & take out a Concept20 franchise for yourself?
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Job satisfaction and getting that warm feeling inside........knowing I've done a splendid job.....leaving my customers.......nay, friends.......contented with their clean glass. You can't measure that in monetary terms and to try is simply vulgar.
Oh, and world peace.
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some people just cant help talking ****
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some people just cant help talking ****
That is true. And I do achieve that daily ;).
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some people just cant help talking ****
That is true. And I do achieve that daily ;).
ill second that! ;D
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mmmmm..........!how come richard is earning a lot more money a day and he s only been at it 18 months?you must have some good priced posh accounts to be making £350-£400 a day when you work 9am-4pm!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
where are you based?if its around central london or surrey i believe you!!anywhere else and i think your pulling our legs!!
i dont know any one man bands that earn that per day on a regular basis on maintenance window cleaning.
anything from £150-£250 a day for me working 9pm-4pm with an hour for lunch/coffee breaks/moving van.
hey dazmond,
i'm not pulling legs, i;m just responding to richy's question. i work in the same area a richy in fact.
the only way i can do this type of day is because i have a franchise and so i started out with full training, fully equipped, full advice re pricing etc etc etc. that's meant that all my houses are priced well for the area. i think i;ve only got 3 houses now that i really hate cleaning because of the price.
in all honesty i didnt realise that this was so much better than others on the forum. i do know that it's not brilliant for a concept 2o operator. and i also know that starting out wiht a franchise is a far more expensive way of doing things than a lot of the guys on here so began about £20000 in debt!
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i wish i could get a few slow lads to earn £400 a day
;D one of the guys was fast, another guy was slow! they started complaining that i was expecting too mush work off them!
we have had comments off other window cleaners about how fast we work. there's certainly no dawdling involved! but it's not exactly heavy work window cleaning with WFP. especially with our setup.
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Richard before you take anybody else on I would invest in a calculator as your numbers don't add up ;)
if my numbers dont add up quite its because i;m chatting on a forum rather than doing my monthly accounts! :)
the numbers are essentially correct. i work 3 full days and 2 half days a week, and have a couple of office days a month
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What I don't understand is you building a successful cleaning business up from scratch with 13 staff etc then you go & take out a Concept20 franchise for yourself?
a lot of people think that. i dont think that i would have the business in WC that i now have, had i started it up on my own. i spoke to the concept 2o people as part of market research for franchising my own business, and out of curiosity about WC, and ended up buying a franchise! i was very impressed with their understanding of business, customer service etc etc.
i think if you look at where i am now, and where i am going now, it is a good decision. it s also nice to be part of the concept 2o group rather than on my own ;D
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so are you saying that you want to build up to 5 days a week.earning £350 a day.turning over £1750 a week working a full week?
so say base it on 46 weeks a year(4 weeks holiday/2 weeks bad weather days).turnover £80,000 a year?
thats £50,000-£55,000 more per year than most sole traders.
anyone here believe him? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Richard, do you pay a weekly "rent" to concept
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The franchise part of this thread is interesting,
Dazmond, why because you cant earn it does it make the guys statment unbelievable maybe we could all learn from him?
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fair point window washers!but really do you think its possible for a sole trader window cleaner? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
£25,000-£30,000 a year turnover id say is average and i bet theres a fair few who are under these figures as well!
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Concept20 plant by any chance? ;D ;D
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just going to step in here and defend Richard a little.Because of the advice he was given from concept and the way he prices jobs Richards average value is probably a lot higher than most on here also he unlike me and probably others he would select the properties he would clean as he started with wfp from the word go,unlike me and others i started trad and took any thing on so my values are lower than Richards but i do just as much work.
Richard does not collect again from the beginning he had his customers paying by standing orders,unlike me and others
He as a good system on board his vehicle doesn't seem have many problems.
In my opinion Richard is at the point most of us want to be at after say 5 years? by going down the franchise route he was advised well and is doing well
so f*****g well he as no time to talk to me on the round :'( :'( :-* :-*
(i dont think i havent noticed pal) ;D
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Concept20 plant by any chance? ;D ;D
;D
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i think 32 houses a day is impossible on your own IF you are cleaning to a high standard including all the frames and doors/garage door but thats just me :'(
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hi ya :) i live in the real world, 10 semis a day gives me a good living ;)
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who cares what anybody else earns if ricardo says he takes
that amount fair play,sounds like jhard work to me though
im not interested in that,i earn well for what i do and im
happy.
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I aim for the 150 a day mark. Sometimes its higher, sometimes its lower.
I only work 9-3 too and am happy doing what i do
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Don't know about the figures and not really bothered but he works in some areas I do and you wouldn't believe how fast they go ... I'm talking seconds perpane of glass personally I'd be worried about the quality of job but guess he's not got a quality issue as still doing them .. What takes me 20 mins his lad was doing it in under 5 minutes !!!!!
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After watching his lad Sam the one he let go I stopped scrubbing and rinsing as much and got a bit more in per day ... Not quite at the 1 pass of brush stage with a rapid rinse but after seeing his figures may try it on a few.
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splash and dash then
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After watching his lad Sam the one he let go I stopped scrubbing and rinsing as much and got a bit more in per day ... Not quite at the 1 pass of brush stage with a rapid rinse but after seeing his figures may try it on a few.
It would surprise some people what is possible if you whack the flow rate up high.
I'm not going to get involved in the daily earnings debate. I prefer to think in terms of annual turnover. Winter daylight hours etc can vary things a lot.
I have a turnover target for this accounting year. I will probably be less that half way there when I get to the 6 month mark because my accounting year starts on 1/10.
BTW. In case anyone wonders why I'm indoors at this time of day, I have been doing some local commercial work just around the corner. Then I drove to the football ground to spend most of the money on a couple of tickets for an FA Cup match in early January. Such is life :) . Anyway, breakfast break nearly over now. Will be out there flying again in 20 mins :)
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after getting back into the cleaning side of things im just wondering what average sort of figure most sole cleaners try and achieve daily, i worked my balls off today on to be fair underpriced work on quite a nice estate and only did £163 prob should have been £185 if priced correctly.
just trying to see how my pace of work compares to others
Going by what you say in your post, I would say you could easily get a 25% increase on those figures you mention. There are a number of things you can do to get an increase before this work is due again.
The thing to remember is you don't want to be able to get just the average, why not aim a little higher.
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so are you saying that you want to build up to 5 days a week.earning £350 a day.turning over £1750 a week working a full week?
so say base it on 46 weeks a year(4 weeks holiday/2 weeks bad weather days).turnover £80,000 a year?
thats £50,000-£55,000 more per year than most sole traders.
anyone here believe him? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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so are you saying that you want to build up to 5 days a week.earning £350 a day.turning over £1750 a week working a full week?
so say base it on 46 weeks a year(4 weeks holiday/2 weeks bad weather days).turnover £80,000 a year?
thats £50,000-£55,000 more per year than most sole traders.
anyone here believe him? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
hi dazmond,
what i want to do is build a weekly round of 2 guys in one van earning £500 a day, five days a week, 52 weeks a year. on holidays and what else i'll be able to work on the van.
;D
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Richard, do you pay a weekly "rent" to concept
I got a really good deal off concept 20 and dont pay any ongoing franchise fees. i do buy all my equipment thru them and they service my van etc. that deal was on offer as they were in very early days of franchising thru BFA and they needed a couple of trialists to go thru their system.
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just going to step in here and defend Richard a little.Because of the advice he was given from concept and the way he prices jobs Richards average value is probably a lot higher than most on here also he unlike me and probably others he would select the properties he would clean as he started with wfp from the word go,unlike me and others i started trad and took any thing on so my values are lower than Richards but i do just as much work.
Richard does not collect again from the beginning he had his customers paying by standing orders,unlike me and others
He as a good system on board his vehicle doesn't seem have many problems.
In my opinion Richard is at the point most of us want to be at after say 5 years? by going down the franchise route he was advised well and is doing well
so f*****g well he as no time to talk to me on the round :'( :'( :-* :-*
(i dont think i havent noticed pal) ;D
thanks for having my back bob!
i;m just too bloody busy to stop nowadays as i;ve got to get my son from nursery.... when i;m late they charge £10 per 15 min!!!!!
we should meet up for a pint some evening tho? :)
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Don't know about the figures and not really bothered but he works in some areas I do and you wouldn't believe how fast they go ... I'm talking seconds perpane of glass personally I'd be worried about the quality of job but guess he's not got a quality issue as still doing them .. What takes me 20 mins his lad was doing it in under 5 minutes !!!!!
hey ian! i saw you on my round yesterday think it was lupins drive or something? was looking out for you but you were round the back on my way and way out and was in a rush yesterday!!! loved all the tinsel tho! ;D
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Concept20 plant by any chance? ;D ;D
i dont know what you mean? i am a concept 2o franchisee yes. i am a fan of theirs yes. am i paid to sit in an office by them and write into forums? No :-*
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70 a day
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I THINK THERES ALOT OF BILLY BULLpoop GOING ON HERE MAKING OUT THERE EARNIG MORE THAN WHAT THEY SAY ALL I CAN SAY IS WHY!!!!!!!!!!! WHERES MR KARL PILKINGTON THE BULLpoop MAN WHO SMELLS THE BULLpoop MMMMMMMM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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true, i mean how many on here ask if there's any cheap poles for sale yet earn £500 a day! :-X ;D
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true, i mean how many on here ask if there's any cheap poles for sale yet earn £500 a day! :-X ;D
who's asking for cheap poles? ???
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How can a Concept van make you any quicker than an Ionics van or a DIY van? Answer - it can't.
Only two ways to earn more - price higher or splash and dash.
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true, i mean how many on here ask if there's any cheap poles for sale yet earn £500 a day! :-X ;D
who's asking for cheap poles? ???
Take a look at the buy and sell section, there are always people looking for second hand stuff, if its not poles its tanks or ladders etc
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How can a Concept van make you any quicker than an Ionics van or a DIY van? Answer - it can't.
Only two ways to earn more - price higher or splash and dash.
I;m not here to convince you Mark. I;m just answering a question honestly that was posted. I'm not trying to antagonise.
There are many different factors that can make one operator faster than another and also raise earnings. These include pricing and technique, but there are many other factors too that add up. Each one may save you 1 min per house, but they multiply.
Of course van setup makes a difference. I dont know if concept's is better or worse than ionics, or for that sake your own vans? All i know is what i get thru in a day and what an employee of mine got thru. And our customers love us, and stay with us, and recommend us, so if they're happy, I;m happy :)
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35 quid aday dont know how u do 23 jobs a day just about do 5 :(
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35 quid aday dont know how u do 23 jobs a day just about do 5 :(
roller blades! 8)
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richard do you clean 350 everyday on your own that is pretty impressive, if i went out 8-4 and once im up to speed again i know i could prob do 250s, our prices havent had a price rise for 3 years so they are due an increase also our canvasser got a load of work on a lower prices than i prefer which need either jibbing or increasing.
even an extra couple of quid on each job would prob give me an extra 30-40 quid a day this is something were going to look at in january and decide when best time to increase is either jan or april, so when up to speed i cud prob be doing 260-270s
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richard do you clean 350 everyday on your own that is pretty impressive, if i went out 8-4 and once im up to speed again i know i could prob do 250s, our prices havent had a price rise for 3 years so they are due an increase also our canvasser got a load of work on a lower prices than i prefer which need either jibbing or increasing.
even an extra couple of quid on each job would prob give me an extra 30-40 quid a day this is something were going to look at in january and decide when best time to increase is either jan or april, so when up to speed i cud prob be doing 260-270s
thanks richard. to ne honest i didnt know if it was the norm or not. think after the responses i;ve had it may not be.
i;m impressed that you've got your 2 guys making £500 a day together. I couldnt get my guys far over £400 together wihtout them really starting to complain and whine. do they have one van with 2 poles, and do they need a refill?
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iv had to lay one lad off, they werent doing 500 a day everyday that was in summer working till later, they too tend to hit 400 mark which isnt bad going to be fair i think we both have to high expectations, i think doing too much can lead to burn out.
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iv had to lay one lad off, they werent doing 500 a day everyday that was in summer working till later, they too tend to hit 400 mark which isnt bad going to be fair i think we both have to high expectations, i think doing too much can lead to burn out.
tell me about it. we've both had a rough ride with your thefts and my fire! i;ve decided to expand slow and steady now. fast is exciting but bloody stressful and very expensive too. i wasted a load of money this year because of expaning too quick
£400 isnt bad, but if one can do £350 and finish for 4:00, then it makes no sense to add to your wage bill to touch £400. that was the problem
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just going to step in here and defend Richard a little.Because of the advice he was given from concept and the way he prices jobs Richards average value is probably a lot higher than most on here also he unlike me and probably others he would select the properties he would clean as he started with wfp from the word go,unlike me and others i started trad and took any thing on so my values are lower than Richards but i do just as much work.
Richard does not collect again from the beginning he had his customers paying by standing orders,unlike me and others
He as a good system on board his vehicle doesn't seem have many problems.
In my opinion Richard is at the point most of us want to be at after say 5 years? by going down the franchise route he was advised well and is doing well
so f*****g well he as no time to talk to me on the round :'( :'( :-* :-*
(i dont think i havent noticed pal) ;D
thanks for having my back bob!
i;m just too bloody busy to stop nowadays as i;ve got to get my son from nursery.... when i;m late they charge £10 per 15 min!!!!!
we should meet up for a pint some evening tho? :)
Cheaper than you charge for cleaning windows then!!!!!
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mmmmm..........!how come richard is earning a lot more money a day and he s only been at it 18 months?you must have some good priced posh accounts to be making £350-£400 a day when you work 9am-4pm!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
where are you based?if its around central london or surrey i believe you!!anywhere else and i think your pulling our legs!!
i dont know any one man bands that earn that per day on a regular basis on maintenance window cleaning.
anything from £150-£250 a day for me working 9pm-4pm with an hour for lunch/coffee breaks/moving van.
I live in Surrey and don't earn what Richard does,now that the darker nights are in I struggle to reach the £250.00 mark and the majority of my work is compact and well priced so I think somebodys telling porkies ;
However if I am wrong I doubt the standard of his work is very good
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Richard,you just sound like a headless chicken,2 lads bringing £400 a day in and it wasn`t good enough for you,or was it not affordable to you in which case you are in a terrible trading position,you are off your rocker.That figure done regular as an average with 2 good reliable employees could be as good as it gets.Your head is full of Concept sh*t.Its a well know fact 2 men don`t double what 1 man can do.You are heading for a total collapse.
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£150+ a day this week and next. But nothing for two weeks after that!!
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I turnover around 8 times whilst i am sleepin . ;D
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I can usually earn more in a day than I actually do but it's also about trusting my body to be able to sustain it. I'm no spring chicken and yes, on a day of decent work I could fly around and probably do £300. I don't really see the point of doing a number of days of £250 - £300 if I end up in pain and have to do a week of half days the following week. Therefore I tend to do less - sometimes quite a bit less - and do a pace that I can sustain. However, if I had a younger body I probably could sustain a higher pace for longer. Over a day or three I can do as much as I ever could but I don't work a three day month :) .
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I THINK THERES ALOT OF BILLY BULLpoop GOING ON HERE MAKING OUT THERE EARNIG MORE THAN WHAT THEY SAY ALL I CAN SAY IS WHY!!!!!!!!!!! WHERES MR KARL PILKINGTON THE BULLpoop MAN WHO SMELLS THE BULLpoop MMMMMMMM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i agree,after reading old posts of how many houses they said they do figures dont add up,i go for 30 £5 semis £150 aday does me fine
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I THINK THERES ALOT OF BILLY BULLpoop GOING ON HERE MAKING OUT THERE EARNIG MORE THAN WHAT THEY SAY ALL I CAN SAY IS WHY!!!!!!!!!!! WHERES MR KARL PILKINGTON THE BULLpoop MAN WHO SMELLS THE BULLpoop MMMMMMMM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i agree,after reading old posts of how many houses they said they do figures dont add up,i go for 30 £5 semis £150 aday does me fine
if you do 30 semis a day then we're talking about the same sort of numbers. its just we charge more for semis, more like £11- £15 a house. with those prices you'd have the same turnover ???
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Don't know about the figures and not really bothered but he works in some areas I do and you wouldn't believe how fast they go ... I'm talking seconds perpane of glass personally I'd be worried about the quality of job but guess he's not got a quality issue as still doing them .. What takes me 20 mins his lad was doing it in under 5 minutes !!!!!
hey ian! i saw you on my round yesterday think it was lupins drive or something? was looking out for you but you were round the back on my way and way out and was in a rush yesterday!!! loved all the tinsel tho! ;D
you wanna see it at night when I turn the fairy lights on !! ;D
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mmmmm..........!how come richard is earning a lot more money a day and he s only been at it 18 months?you must have some good priced posh accounts to be making £350-£400 a day when you work 9am-4pm!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
where are you based?if its around central london or surrey i believe you!!anywhere else and i think your pulling our legs!!
i dont know any one man bands that earn that per day on a regular basis on maintenance window cleaning.
anything from £150-£250 a day for me working 9pm-4pm with an hour for lunch/coffee breaks/moving van.
I live in Surrey and don't earn what Richard does,now that the darker nights are in I struggle to reach the £250.00 mark and the majority of my work is compact and well priced so I think somebodys telling porkies ;
However if I am wrong I doubt the standard of his work is very good
as i said the standard of my work is good enough for my customers as we dont loose a lot, we get referrals, and they tell me how good we are etc.
i'm not in business to win the competition to have the best cleanest windows in the country. if the quality of pour work is 'good enough' for our customers, and remember we're charging them a premium for our service, then that is good enough for us.
perhaps if you struggle to hit £250 in the winter, you might think to look at what people are doing who are doing more and how they are doing it. on the other hand you might well choose to dismiss what i'm saying as 'porkies' and then you can stick 'struggling' at around £250. :o
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just going to step in here and defend Richard a little.Because of the advice he was given from concept and the way he prices jobs Richards average value is probably a lot higher than most on here also he unlike me and probably others he would select the properties he would clean as he started with wfp from the word go,unlike me and others i started trad and took any thing on so my values are lower than Richards but i do just as much work.
Richard does not collect again from the beginning he had his customers paying by standing orders,unlike me and others
He as a good system on board his vehicle doesn't seem have many problems.
In my opinion Richard is at the point most of us want to be at after say 5 years? by going down the franchise route he was advised well and is doing well
so f*****g well he as no time to talk to me on the round :'( :'( :-* :-*
(i dont think i havent noticed pal) ;D
thanks for having my back bob!
i;m just too bloody busy to stop nowadays as i;ve got to get my son from nursery.... when i;m late they charge £10 per 15 min!!!!!
we should meet up for a pint some evening tho? :)
Cheaper than you charge for cleaning windows then!!!!!
;D that's tru isnt it! hadn't thought of it like that. it still seems a lot tho, and i work hard for that money. they play pop up pirate for theirs! ;D
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I THINK THERES ALOT OF BILLY BULLpoop GOING ON HERE MAKING OUT THERE EARNIG MORE THAN WHAT THEY SAY ALL I CAN SAY IS WHY!!!!!!!!!!! WHERES MR KARL PILKINGTON THE BULLpoop MAN WHO SMELLS THE BULLpoop MMMMMMMM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i agree,after reading old posts of how many houses they said they do figures dont add up,i go for 30 £5 semis £150 aday does me fine
if you do 30 semis a day then we're talking about the same sort of numbers. its just we charge more for semis, more like £11- £15 a house. with those prices you'd have the same turnover ???£11/£15 for 3bed semi carnt get that round here
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Richard,you just sound like a headless chicken,2 lads bringing £400 a day in and it wasn`t good enough for you,or was it not affordable to you in which case you are in a terrible trading position,you are off your rocker.That figure done regular as an average with 2 good reliable employees could be as good as it gets.Your head is full of Concept sh*t.Its a well know fact 2 men don`t double what 1 man can do.You are heading for a total collapse.
:o What a rude reply!
Like i said in a previous post, £400 a day for two lads isnt worth it if one lad can do £350. £50 wont really even cover the extra wages. that's not 'off my rocker' it simple common sense.
i;m not in a terrible position but as i said we had a fire last year. it cost me over 25000 in lost business, lost equipment etc and i have as a result had to double my loan which needs repaying asap.
and quite how you translate the sort of round i've got and the time we can do it in... after 18 months in as 'heading for total collapse' i dont know ??? ??? ???
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Richard,you just sound like a headless chicken,2 lads bringing £400 a day in and it wasn`t good enough for you,or was it not affordable to you in which case you are in a terrible trading position,you are off your rocker.That figure done regular as an average with 2 good reliable employees could be as good as it gets.Your head is full of Concept sh*t.Its a well know fact 2 men don`t double what 1 man can do.You are heading for a total collapse.
:o What a rude reply!
Like i said in a previous post, £400 a day for two lads isnt worth it if one lad can do £350. £50 wont really even cover the extra wages. that's not 'off my rocker' it simple common sense.
i;m not in a terrible position but as i said we had a fire last year. it cost me over 25000 in lost business, lost equipment etc and i have as a result had to double my loan which needs repaying asap.
and quite how you translate the sort of round i've got and the time we can do it in... after 18 months in as 'heading for total collapse' i dont know ??? ??? ???
I have a sneaky feeling he was referring to the "other" Richard! ;D
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Richard,you just sound like a headless chicken,2 lads bringing £400 a day in and it wasn`t good enough for you,or was it not affordable to you in which case you are in a terrible trading position,you are off your rocker.That figure done regular as an average with 2 good reliable employees could be as good as it gets.Your head is full of Concept sh*t.Its a well know fact 2 men don`t double what 1 man can do.You are heading for a total collapse.
:o What a rude reply!
Like i said in a previous post, £400 a day for two lads isnt worth it if one lad can do £350. £50 wont really even cover the extra wages. that's not 'off my rocker' it simple common sense.
i;m not in a terrible position but as i said we had a fire last year. it cost me over 25000 in lost business, lost equipment etc and i have as a result had to double my loan which needs repaying asap.
and quite how you translate the sort of round i've got and the time we can do it in... after 18 months in as 'heading for total collapse' i dont know ??? ??? ???
I have a sneaky feeling he was referring to the "other" Richard! ;D
do you think?.......... oh well :o
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??? why would you double your loan - surely you had insurance?
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What a mug. total crap. i work in amd around london day in day out and earn nowhere near the bullcrap figures you are coming out with.
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??? why would you double your loan - surely you had insurance?
didnt have office insurance no! i do now :(
on a more sober note, there were i think over 50 businesses in the enterprise centre that was destroyed, and i dont know of any one of them has received their insurance payout yet, and it was over a year ago.. the companies are really dragging their feet and demanding lots of paperwork, receipts etc etc
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What a mug. total crap. i work in amd around london day in day out and earn nowhere near the bullcrap figures you are coming out with.
well mick kent, if you cant do it then i;m sure it must be rubbish. especially as you live in london ::)
maybe you're not as clever as you seem to think you are :o
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I love this guy. if u realy was earning the fi why would you put it on a forum. Dreamer.
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I love this guy. if u realy was earning the fi why would you put it on a forum. Dreamer.
what does fi mean? and why wouldnt i put it on a forum? i was responding to a question asked by another local cleaner?
maybe the difference is that i am a dreamer and you are not. the phrase 'you can only achieve what you can believe' comes to mind.
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Figure....well you say im not clever but you dnt hear me saying what i earn daily.
braggers tend to be blaggers.
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Would it be too much bother for you to take a video of yourself cleaning one of your customers propertys and put a link so we could see. If you are earning double most here I for one would like to see exactly what I am not doing correctly!?
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Richard,you just sound like a headless chicken,2 lads bringing £400 a day in and it wasn`t good enough for you,or was it not affordable to you in which case you are in a terrible trading position,you are off your rocker.That figure done regular as an average with 2 good reliable employees could be as good as it gets.Your head is full of Concept sh*t.Its a well know fact 2 men don`t double what 1 man can do.You are heading for a total collapse.
:o What a rude reply!
Like i said in a previous post, £400 a day for two lads isnt worth it if one lad can do £350. £50 wont really even cover the extra wages. that's not 'off my rocker' it simple common sense.
i;m not in a terrible position but as i said we had a fire last year. it cost me over 25000 in lost business, lost equipment etc and i have as a result had to double my loan which needs repaying asap.
and quite how you translate the sort of round i've got and the time we can do it in... after 18 months in as 'heading for total collapse' i dont know ??? ??? ???
I meant you were heading for total collapse as in phsically and mentally,how long have you been working alone at this pace?,not long i reckon,its not sustainable.
I`ll give you a clue as to where i`m coming from.It`s called working for yourself.That means not working for the bank,the office space owner,the franchisor and all those other "indispensable" overheads a "succesful" business man seems to need.What is the point in earning £350 a day if you get to keep none of it.
Two men taking £400 daily between them has to be good news even if the £350 a day superman gets to slacken off.I say you`ve made a mistake disrupting that.Where do you go if you lose that super guy?Is it projections on paper that make you so greedy.
Lastly,attach yourself with the adjective"veridical",it means, coinciding with reality. Common sense will appear of its own accord then.
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I love this guy. if u realy was earning the fi why would you put it on a forum. Dreamer.
what does fi mean? and why wouldnt i put it on a forum? i was responding to a question asked by another local cleaner?
maybe the difference is that i am a dreamer and you are not. the phrase 'you can only achieve what you can believe' comes to mind.
is that from napoleon hill think and grow rich ?
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i aim for £200 over about 4-5hrs. been a bit tough lately with the weather though.
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£11/£15 for 3bed semi carnt get that round here
Thats not true. Thats what i get from your neighbours!! I'm guessing that yours are fortnightly whereas mine are monthly? Anyway, thats another discussion......... but you certainley can get them prices, easily.
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after getting back into the cleaning side of things im just wondering what average sort of figure most sole cleaners try and achieve daily, i worked my balls off today on to be fair underpriced work on quite a nice estate and only did £163 prob should have been £185 if priced correctly.
just trying to see how my pace of work compares to others
This is a good question Richy, and i like the free exchange of facts here. I go for between £50 to £200 per day. Depending upon when my council tax is due, need to pay the eleccy bill etc..
How much does a small company like you take a day to run two vans, pay four cleaners wages, your own wages and your sales directors wages? And, .....did your missus get a job in your office doing 'the paperwork' ? If so, how much does she get? I'm asking this as i'm thinking of going the same route as you,i'm looking to take some business qualifications and get a second van, or maybe even a full time employee first? Any pointers would be invaluable to me.
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£11/£15 for 3bed semi carnt get that round here
Thats not true. Thats what i get from your neighbours!! I'm guessing that yours are fortnightly whereas mine are monthly? Anyway, thats another discussion......... but you certainley can get them prices, easily.
hi,mike hows things,need your help,again, need trigger putting on my pole if you can help sometime,i know houses by mine get done for £10 amonth wfp,when i say £10 i dont get the job :D :D
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to defend richard as ive just read the whole thread, and i know that if i had all my best priced houses in the same street one after each other i could make £560 9-5 with 1hr in breaks. thats based on 4 houses an hr at £20 each.
obviously never going to happen to me, i think my record is in the £300's. but dont call him a liar, £350 a day is possible.
actually my record is £450 but that was a 6hr commercial job, so it doesnt count! (which unfortunately had to go towards the £550 pole i had to buy for the job!)
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£11/£15 for 3bed semi carnt get that round here
Thats not true. Thats what i get from your neighbours!! I'm guessing that yours are fortnightly whereas mine are monthly? Anyway, thats another discussion......... but you certainley can get them prices, easily.
hi,mike hows things,need your help,again, need trigger putting on my pole if you can help sometime,i know houses by mine get done for £10 amonth wfp,when i say £10 i dont get the job :D :D
Hi mate, i have some time on Sunday if thats any good, otherwise it'll have to be after crimmy.
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I love this guy. if u realy was earning the fi why would you put it on a forum. Dreamer.
what does fi mean? and why wouldnt i put it on a forum? i was responding to a question asked by another local cleaner?
maybe the difference is that i am a dreamer and you are not. the phrase 'you can only achieve what you can believe' comes to mind.
is that from napoleon hill think and grow rich ?
its from that sort of stuff yes... napoleon hill, tony robbins... love all that stuff :)
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Richard,you just sound like a headless chicken,2 lads bringing £400 a day in and it wasn`t good enough for you,or was it not affordable to you in which case you are in a terrible trading position,you are off your rocker.That figure done regular as an average with 2 good reliable employees could be as good as it gets.Your head is full of Concept sh*t.Its a well know fact 2 men don`t double what 1 man can do.You are heading for a total collapse.
:o What a rude reply!
Like i said in a previous post, £400 a day for two lads isnt worth it if one lad can do £350. £50 wont really even cover the extra wages. that's not 'off my rocker' it simple common sense.
i;m not in a terrible position but as i said we had a fire last year. it cost me over 25000 in lost business, lost equipment etc and i have as a result had to double my loan which needs repaying asap.
and quite how you translate the sort of round i've got and the time we can do it in... after 18 months in as 'heading for total collapse' i dont know ??? ??? ???
I meant you were heading for total collapse as in phsically and mentally,how long have you been working alone at this pace?,not long i reckon,its not sustainable.
I`ll give you a clue as to where i`m coming from.It`s called working for yourself.That means not working for the bank,the office space owner,the franchisor and all those other "indispensable" overheads a "succesful" business man seems to need.What is the point in earning £350 a day if you get to keep none of it.
Two men taking £400 daily between them has to be good news even if the £350 a day superman gets to slacken off.I say you`ve made a mistake disrupting that.Where do you go if you lose that super guy?Is it projections on paper that make you so greedy.
Lastly,attach yourself with the adjective"veridical",it means, coinciding with reality. Common sense will appear of its own accord then.
I'm not exactly burning myself out at the moment working at this rate. It's fine. I go out 3 nights a week training and dancing, get home before 6 and play with my son and put him to bed, have breaks in the day... the trick is to start on the glass at 8am every day. by eleven o'clock the day still seems young, and i'll have got half way thru my round for the day.
i do have a lot of energy and am a driven person, and still mid thirties... but i dont want to carry on working on the van forever. the plan is to get guys in to work daily on the van and i;ll look after the business.
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dancing thats intresting what kind of dancing.
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dancing thats intresting what kind of dancing.
salsa! love it ;D mambo to be specific... if you're a dancer. i used to teach when i started my first business, when i needed more money. that and worked in starbucks
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window cleaners on this site moan when they see new competition starting up in the area they work and they wonder why so many unemployed are starting up......its because some window cleaners brag how much dosh they earn in a day enticing others into this business.........when the competition gets tougher finding new work to replace old, just remember ;D
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i know someone who earned £150 for 50mins work :P :P :Pgreat a.
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What was she like? Did the mrs find out?
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What was she like? Did the mrs find out?
true as i speak ;) ;) nad he abit like a girl A TRIPPY ;D ;D ;D
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after getting back into the cleaning side of things im just wondering what average sort of figure most sole cleaners try and achieve daily, i worked my balls off today on to be fair underpriced work on quite a nice estate and only did £163 prob should have been £185 if priced correctly.
just trying to see how my pace of work compares to others
This is a good question Richy, and i like the free exchange of facts here. I go for between £50 to £200 per day. Depending upon when my council tax is due, need to pay the eleccy bill etc..
How much does a small company like you take a day to run two vans, pay four cleaners wages, your own wages and your sales directors wages? And, .....did your missus get a job in your office doing 'the paperwork' ? If so, how much does she get? I'm asking this as i'm thinking of going the same route as you,i'm looking to take some business qualifications and get a second van, or maybe even a full time employee first? Any pointers would be invaluable to me.
two vans myse,f and one other lad cleaning now still have chris in the office organising things and taking payments etc, do cold calling sending debt letters etc basically all the stuff id have too do after long day cleaning i admit iv tried to rush into being bigger than i am and its beginnning to take strain maybe i am naive, missus aint started yet no, and havent signed up to any college courses.
best pointer i could give is try and grow organically, keep deleting crap payers and messers and build up slow and steady with great customers with high prices
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how many jobs are you doing for that richard
today i did 24 houses, some of them bigguns. other days i;ve done 32 houses
i think your talking a load of rubbish
By yourself or with your staff?
Do your staff do more or less than you?
that's by myself. i used to have a member of staff who was achieving similar. had to let him go tho due as wage bill too hi (see previous post re the fire last year)
What did the fire do to cause you to let go a lad earning you £1700 per week!!! :o ;D
i wasn't earning that much. somewhere around 1200/week
fire destroyed all my customer records for both businesses so lost all details of all of our work. wiped out our phone system, computer databases et etc etc.
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window cleaners on this site moan when they see new competition starting up in the area they work and they wonder why so many unemployed are starting up......its because some window cleaners brag how much dosh they earn in a day enticing others into this business.........when the competition gets tougher finding new work to replace old, just remember ;D
Same thing different year ;)
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a lot of custy look at what you get per house say £15 for 10 mins work, then think i can do that, start searching find this place and think christ a mim of 30 ph 350 a day, sod working going to become a wc and then people come on here moaing that a new wc has taken all there good work and driving down local prices
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what about the nice little tax bill. you simply cannot earn that on your own,with private custys only.
UNLESS. many jobs close together and near home , no breaks, short intervals between cleans,
4wks, not cleaning frames, and then to top it off, over pricing.
maybe the odd day , but every day?
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Looking forward to seeing the £50 + per hour brigade on the next series of watchdog...Rogues Gallery ;D
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what about the nice little tax bill. you simply cannot earn that on your own,with private custys only.
UNLESS. many jobs close together and near home , no breaks, short intervals between cleans,
4wks, not cleaning frames, and then to top it off, over pricing.
maybe the odd day , but every day?
Regarding tax. Although it is very unlikely for a sole trader to manage it, if my income ever looked like shooting through the roof, I would keep a very close eye on the profit level towards the end of the accounting year. I just wouldn't fancy working my nuts off and edging into the next tax bracket. I would rather have a couple of weeks break than do that. A bit different though if it would be staff doing it as it isn't the same effort on my part.
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i try to achieve as much as possible daily without compromising my standards or my health
What that equates to financially is my own business. ;)
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Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is :-[
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andrew dont list to half the amounts on here, some are making that much money that one bad week they skint
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Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is :-[
id personally say increase ur prices but u have had to convert a trad round over to wfp and i guess kept same prices
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Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is :-[
I wouldn't worry to much. I would take take with a pinch of salt most of what gets posted on here about earnings per day.
I think we need a new section of this forum called 'porkie pies'.
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I did keep prices pretty much same but am going to put them up in new year . I had lots of tips and bottles of wine so Im hoping they wont mind paying a bit more for the service I provide . Been window cleaning for a long time but not full time as I can manage well on what I can make as mortgage very small with no debts - .
I v no problem with folk making a good living for working hard , I just seem to be working hard for not so much .
Im happy with 99% of my customers and they are okay with me and often tell me they like the WFP system better than Trad -and why wouldnt they . Still do some bungalows Trad at a fiver a go but they take me 10 mins as long as I fend of cups of tea and buns otherwise it would take me all day.Guess Im just a soft touch ! :)
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Same here. Too much chat and plenty of tea. We're social creatures afterall.
I've done the work thing till you drop thing and gone from one high speed job to the next and the next untill the end of the day, and for me, I enjoy the more sedate pace and when all is said and done, I have enough to more than meet my needs and health wise, I'll never go back to those days of getting home in a state of near exhaustion only to go out again the next day and do it all over again.
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Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is :-[
id personally say increase ur prices but u have had to convert a trad round over to wfp and i guess kept same prices
I'd personally say, keep your prices as they are(ok a small increase here n there),you are giving your customers 'value for money' which is quite refreshing and nothing to be embarrassed about.
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realistically you want to have a minimum price (ours is £10), you say £130 a day is very good for you, 9am to 3pm (6hrs) so thats £25/hr or so. Thats not bad, if you were to do an extra hour a day thats approx £150 a day - £750 a week (work saturday if there's a bad day in the week.
There aren't many on here ACTUALLY earning that in my opinion.
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I did keep prices pretty much same but am going to put them up in new year . I had lots of tips and bottles of wine so Im hoping they wont mind paying a bit more for the service I provide . Been window cleaning for a long time but not full time as I can manage well on what I can make as mortgage very small with no debts - .
I v no problem with folk making a good living for working hard , I just seem to be working hard for not so much .
Im happy with 99% of my customers and they are okay with me and often tell me they like the WFP system better than Trad -and why wouldnt they . Still do some bungalows Trad at a fiver a go but they take me 10 mins as long as I fend of cups of tea and buns otherwise it would take me all day.Guess Im just a soft touch ! :)
hi andrew, we start on the glass at 8 and i;m finishing just after 4 most days. that gives you an extra 2 hrs earnings each day, which is 10 hrs a week, so it'd be like an extra day and a half's work each week for you. obviusll this is more work for you and you have to decide if thats what you want... :P
the other thing is llike another poster said we have a minimum price of £10 and this is the same for a bungalow as for a house. you obviously cant jump your prices from £5 - £10 as youll just get dumped :o, but best to start doing an annual price rise of 10%, or even jump straight to £6 in jan blaming the fuel etc etc.
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'we' thought you worked alone?
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The bit I don't understand is why all the billyballpoopers on here with fantastic earnings are always the guys who don't have enough work. If you can turn over £350 in one day regularly as you claim then why not take your foot off the pedal and spread it out over the week? also if £350 is your normal turnover as you claim - what are you earning on one of your 'cracking' days like we all have. How the hell can you be up to your eyeballs in debt too with figures like you are spouting? Why did you have no insurance - couldn't afford it?
Just makes no sense I'm afraid. Maybe your behind with your payments to Concept20 so a bit of advertising on their behalf will lesson the blow, either way.
For those reasons I'm out ;D
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If i could go out monday to friday every week, i would like to earn about £120/£140 per day 8)
but im not even close to be able to do that :-[ Any way that would be in a perfect world, but this is far from that. If some guys on here say they earn £350 a day ( im not saying you dont) What do you do when it rains for say 3/4 days at a time?
The way i look at it is, whats the point of having loads of work when you cant cover it ie: rainy days, ill, holidays. ect ect
All well and good saying my business does 95k a year, but that surely would just be on paper??
im not looking for a row with anyone, just asking how it looked at & done by them :)
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Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is :-[
this is why all these kind of posts are pointless
if you are happy what you are earning mate,dont let others
on here drag you down.
i personally have the odd day when i hit the £200 mark
but normally between £100-£150 and i have plenty of days
when i havent hit £100 for various reasons,weather,too lazy to
be bothered etc.
just remember mate some on here may be peeing higher than
you...but i have definately got a bigger thingy ;D ;D ;D
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wasnt there a lad on here a few years ago, who claimed to be making thousands a week and had a few vans on the road, and some one went to his house and he live with his mum and drove a escort van
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Been WFP for just over a year but trad for many years before that just outside Leeds, if I did 130 in a day thats very good for me ,Im very organised, very few breaks and dont hang about ,properties vary from one bed bungalow at 4-50 to detached with connie at 12 quid . Im reasonably happy with hourly rate -well I am until I see what some of you guys are pulling !! Usually start just after 9 and home at 3 in winter . Bit hesitant to put these figures on here as they are so low , anyway there it is :-[
this is why all these kind of posts are pointless
if you are happy what you are earning mate,dont let others
on here drag you down.
i personally have the odd day when i hit the £200 mark
but normally between £100-£150 and i have plenty of days
when i havent hit £100 for various reasons,weather,too lazy to
be bothered etc.
just remember mate some on here may be peeing higher than
you...but i have definately got a bigger thingy ;D ;D ;D
Nice balancing post. ;)
Where else would you get £130 a day for a 6 hour shift?
Also (& I'm not throwing accusations here) some of these splash/dash top earners might have a huge cancellation rate- after all, how some run their business on here contains all the elements for this to be a reality!
It's not all about top dollar, far from it. ;)
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wasnt there a lad on here a few years ago, who claimed to be making thousands a week and had a few vans on the road, and some one went to his house and he live with his mum and drove a escort van
Only one lad! :o
It's full of 'em Vader!! ;D ;D
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Why people always look at the daily figures makes me smile, on some jobs if you price it up right and with easy access its possible to go over the £1000 barrier, I have many times, but there are the other days when you are at home looking out of the window at the 10 foot snow drifts or thunder and lightning storms, these days you earn .00.
I would rather look at the monthly figures.
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The bit I don't understand is why all the billyballpoopers on here with fantastic earnings are always the guys who don't have enough work. If you can turn over £350 in one day regularly as you claim then why not take your foot off the pedal and spread it out over the week? also if £350 is your normal turnover as you claim - what are you earning on one of your 'cracking' days like we all have. How the hell can you be up to your eyeballs in debt too with figures like you are spouting? Why did you have no insurance - couldn't afford it?
Just makes no sense I'm afraid. Maybe your behind with your payments to Concept20 so a bit of advertising on their behalf will lesson the blow, either way.
For those reasons I'm out ;D
hi mark,
I;m just answering questions that people are asking.
i have 2 businesses and have different goals from some other poeple. i;m not makjing a value judgement to say that my goals are right and yours are wrong. you may well be right and you may well be happier with your business set up and earnings. that's not for me to judge. however the initial question was what do other people earn in a day. richy wilts has a big goal in mind possibly more similar to my own.
i aways talk of my business as 'we' becuase there are a number of staff involved, although like i said, presently i am the only WC working.
we dont have great days really as we schedule all work in advance and give every client a due date for every clean, 4 weeks after their most recent. we aim to get the max out of each day and the max for one WC is £350.
like i said previously, i dont have ongoing payments to Concept 2O.
how can i be up to my eyes in debt? well the figures i;m talking about arent that great compared to other businesses, tho they may well be exceptional for lots of WC. its all comparitive isn't it. if i'm, to pluck a figure £50 000 in debt, then £350 turnover (not profit) a day isn;t so huge. also, i havent said we earn that every day as my rounds are not full and i work a couple of half days a week.
:)
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Well guys
reading between the lines I reckon Im not doing too badly and as you say 130 quid for a 6 hour shift which is how I see it is okay for me. In winter I do finish a three cos Im not into windows in the dark although falling snow and ping rain isnt too much of an issue.Im heartened to see not ebryone is making zillions from doing exactly what Im doing but if you are well good luck to you and one day I might find the seceret.
I would love to have a £10.. min price but that would mean dumping most of my work so its not really an option for me . Even if punters would stand I just couldnt do it to the old dears in the Trad bungalows that I clean , one of them gave me a tip -okay it was 60 pence !!! yep really but thing is I love doing that street - its like all yer old MUms looking after you and they are always chuffed to see me -like I said Im just a soft touch but it helps that I m an old git with out much to pay out every month .Guess as others say if were happy getting what were getting then thats fine,I just couldnt resist reading the thread .
Im sure HMRC finds these posts very interesting and informative .
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so how much a month do you earn richard
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Im sure HMRC finds these posts very interesting and informative .
;D ;D They're far too busy to concern themselves with the miniscule percentage of cleaners that declare their earnings to the worldwide web on here. Its not exactly legally binding is it.
The average window cleaners income stated a while back on here was something in the region of £17,000 as a sole trader. Anything you declare over that they're probably happy to accept and not question any fuirther.
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Ha your right
they are getting a right clobbering at moment as well with pay freez , pensions contributions going up etc so I reckon lots of them on 16k will be well peed of and sit twiddling thumbs all day rather than chasing us .
Did my sons VAT books as he just registered and a guy from VAT came to his house after three months ,he is a locksmith and had claimed a lot of retro vat for tools and stuff.
VAT arrived in builders shirt with rucksac on his shoulder , He was happy with things but i wouldnt like to try and pull the wool on those people ,could turn very nasty ;)
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If i could go out monday to friday every week, i would like to earn about £120/£140 per day 8)
but im not even close to be able to do that :-[ Any way that would be in a perfect world, but this is far from that. If some guys on here say they earn £350 a day ( im not saying you dont) What do you do when it rains for say 3/4 days at a time?
The way i look at it is, whats the point of having loads of work when you cant cover it ie: rainy days, ill, holidays. ect ect
All well and good saying my business does 95k a year, but that surely would just be on paper??
im not looking for a row with anyone, just asking how it looked at & done by them :)
hi purer,
we work all days including rainy, windy, snow... had all those in the last 3 weeks in fact. only lost 2 days last year, and like i;ve said our office burned down in a fire, but still worked the same day!
we guarantee every clean, and we dont let people defer because of the weather.
would definately be easier to leave yourself not at full to burst tho. we're not even half full at the moment so will see how it goes. will want to get the absolute max out of this van before getting another tho
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If i could go out monday to friday every week, i would like to earn about £120/£140 per day 8)
but im not even close to be able to do that :-[ Any way that would be in a perfect world, but this is far from that. If some guys on here say they earn £350 a day ( im not saying you dont) What do you do when it rains for say 3/4 days at a time?
The way i look at it is, whats the point of having loads of work when you cant cover it ie: rainy days, ill, holidays. ect ect
All well and good saying my business does 95k a year, but that surely would just be on paper??
im not looking for a row with anyone, just asking how it looked at & done by them :)
hi purer,
we work all days including rainy, windy, snow... had all those in the last 3 weeks in fact. only lost 2 days last year, and like i;ve said our office burned down in a fire, but still worked the same day!
we guarantee every clean, and we dont let people defer because of the weather.
would definately be easier to leave yourself not at full to burst tho. we're not even half full at the moment so will see how it goes. will want to get the absolute max out of this van before getting another tho
Well done Richard, thats very comendable of you and your team ;) but how do you get round the bit ive highlighted please mate? :-\
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we just say that because of the system we use we are able to achieve the same results. to be honest it happens very very little that people question us. i can think of one client in the past 5 months who asked me not to clean and cancelled, and maybe a couple who asked about the rain but accepted my word. i always remind them we have a guaruntee so if theyre not up to normal standard we'll come back
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we just say that because of the system we use we are able to achieve the same results. to be honest it happens very very little that people question us. i can think of one client in the past 5 months who asked me not to clean and cancelled, and maybe a couple who asked about the rain but accepted my word. i always remind them we have a guaruntee so if theyre not up to normal standard we'll come back
that is a very good way of doing it Richard ;) im gonna try the same sort of thing i think :) but i will make its all my idea ;D so i will thank you now mate ;D Have A very merry christmas to you and your family & a happy new year :)
from
Purer Clean Window Cleaning
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Doesnt matter how much some people earn on here. All that is important is that you earn enough to pay the bills and put aside for a rainy day or two and emergencies.
It can be a hard slog or a lazy day depending on how much you wish to earn or how much time you wish to have off that allows you to live reasonably comfortable.
Have to enjoy working outdoors with joe public to pursue this job with its ups and down just like everything in life. You only get out of it what youre prepared to put into it.
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Why people always look at the daily figures makes me smile, on some jobs if you price it up right and with easy access its possible to go over the £1000 barrier, I have many times, but there are the other days when you are at home looking out of the window at the 10 foot snow drifts or thunder and lightning storms, these days you earn .00.
I would rather look at the monthly figures.
That's nothing I make £2000 a day............................................................................ and that's before I wake up.
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who the hell WANTS to work all weather IDIOTS!
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Why people always look at the daily figures makes me smile, on some jobs if you price it up right and with easy access its possible to go over the £1000 barrier, I have many times, but there are the other days when you are at home looking out of the window at the 10 foot snow drifts or thunder and lightning storms, these days you earn .00.
I would rather look at the monthly figures.
That's nothing I make £2000 a day............................................................................ and that's before I wake up.
Let's face it Mark, anything less than 2k isn't really worth waking up for eh?
I lost a 2k bungalow yesterday, however, I walked round the corner & picked up a 1-window shop front up for 2.5k! ;)
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who the hell WANTS to work all weather IDIOTS!
do you have staff, and if so do you pay them wages to sit and look out of windows in anything but nice weather ?
I work in all weathers, I know which I would prefer and sitting watching the rain is not one I like to do, oh can't work today its cold outside, not a very bright thing to say really is it,
From an idiot to another ;) ;D.
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Why people always look at the daily figures makes me smile, on some jobs if you price it up right and with easy access its possible to go over the £1000 barrier, I have many times, but there are the other days when you are at home looking out of the window at the 10 foot snow drifts or thunder and lightning storms, these days you earn .00.
I would rather look at the monthly figures.
That's nothing I make £2000 a day............................................................................ and that's before I wake up.
Did I say I do that all the time, NO
It has happened on a few occasions and hopefully on more to come, if you want to call me liar, say so and I can show you the jobs involved
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Why people always look at the daily figures makes me smile, on some jobs if you price it up right and with easy access its possible to go over the £1000 barrier, I have many times, but there are the other days when you are at home looking out of the window at the 10 foot snow drifts or thunder and lightning storms, these days you earn .00.
I would rather look at the monthly figures.
That's nothing I make £2000 a day............................................................................ and that's before I wake up.
Did I say I do that all the time, NO
It has happened on a few occasions and hopefully on more to come, if you want to call me liar, say so and I can show you the jobs involved
William don't fan the flames, let thewm have thier own thoughts, whens your next holiday and where you going this time? ;)
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im not working today its raining and still a bit icy.i do work in bad weather when ive got work i want to get done though.
im off to look at some drum kits with the missus! ;) ;D ;D
the great thing about window cleaning is the flexibilty IMO.ive never worked full time for years now and still earn ok.enough for my needs.
i know plenty of people who are working 40+ HOURS A WEEK and earn a lot less.the problem with window cleaning is if you get enough work for every single day of the month you still get behind from time to time and it becomes a daily grind and you start hating the job.trust me i know!!
worse thing you can do is compare yourself with other window cleaners.you ll become very bitter some of you!!! ;D ;D ;D
as for richard speech you wont last mate unless you change your attitude and working practices.
if you speed through your work at a very fast rate and charge top dollar you ll lose work.customers are not stupid!work at a brisk pace yes but make sure you do a good job!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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im not working today its raining and still a bit icy.i do work in bad weather when ive got work i want to get done though.
im off to look at some drum kits with the missus! ;) ;D ;D
the great thing about window cleaning is the flexibilty IMO.ive never worked full time for years now and still earn ok.enough for my needs.
i know plenty of people who are working 40+ HOURS A WEEK and earn a lot less.the problem with window cleaning is if you get enough work for every single day of the month you still get behind from time to time and it becomes a daily grind and you start hating the job.trust me i know!!
worse thing you can do is compare yourself with other window cleaners.you ll become very bitter some of you!!! ;D ;D ;D
as for richard speech you wont last mate unless you change your attitude and working practices.
if you speed through your work at a very fast rate and charge top dollar you ll lose work.customers are not stupid!work at a brisk pace yes but make sure you do a good job!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
I agree 100% with this comment!!
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i set myself £350 pound worth for a full day,
Working on your own?
You're pricing well to earn that alone!!?
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window washers listen up, i dont employ others, but if i did i would employ them on a self employed basis simple as that, and i would not want or expect them to in heavy rain, there are safety reasons here to. when it is raining i do not sit looking out of window thinking how much money i am losing ,and who said anything about not working because its cold.this is for the idiot obviously
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How many idiots and billy-bull-pooters can gather in one place
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Good job you escaped or your wooden nose would have gone up too. ;D
it would have still caught on fire in the next town
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wasnt there a lad on here a few years ago, who claimed to be making thousands a week and had a few vans on the road, and some one went to his house and he live with his mum and drove a escort van
lol would love to see that
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How many idiots and billy-bull-pooters can gather in one place
Welcome! it looks like one more has joined the crowd!! ;) ;D
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Why people always look at the daily figures makes me smile, on some jobs if you price it up right and with easy access its possible to go over the £1000 barrier, I have many times, but there are the other days when you are at home looking out of the window at the 10 foot snow drifts or thunder and lightning storms, these days you earn .00.
I would rather look at the monthly figures.
That's nothing I make £2000 a day............................................................................ and that's before I wake up.
Did I say I do that all the time, NO
It has happened on a few occasions and hopefully on more to come, if you want to call me liar, say so and I can show you the jobs involved
William don't fan the flames, let thewm have thier own thoughts, whens your next holiday and where you going this time? ;)
I'm off to the USA on xmas day for just over 2 weeks, then hopefully if we have bad weather in Febuary its The Gambia again.
How you keeping Ian?
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window washers listen up, i dont employ others, but if i did i would employ them on a self employed basis simple as that, and i would not want or expect them to in heavy rain, there are safety reasons here to. when it is raining i do not sit looking out of window thinking how much money i am losing ,and who said anything about not working because its cold.this is for the idiot obviously
lol, safety you get wet, give me a break you dont like getting wet thats cool, just dont dress it up, I did listen up ;D and thank you for making me Laugh your a top guy ;)
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as for richard speech you wont last mate unless you change your attitude and working practices.
if you speed through your work at a very fast rate and charge top dollar you ll lose work.customers are not stupid!work at a brisk pace yes but make sure you do a good job!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
hi dazmond,
to be fair to me, you don't know what the quality of our work is like. you are assuming that because we are fast we arent very good.
i agree that customers are not stupid, and i know that if the quality of our service is not there that they will leave us. in fact when we got a new guy working, his cleans were not good enough and we got a fair number of complaints about him. our customers will let us know if they aren't happy by either calling in, or by cancelling. the truth is that this doesn't happen a lot so i can only assume that they are happy. they are also happy to pay the price. £10 min is not too much for many people nowadays. it is about £2.50 week which is less than a pint. working at the speed i do i have had one complaint in the past month, and none the previous month.
our custies like the service we offer. the service is a lot more than just the quality of the cleans, but also the full customer service, and ease of the whole experience.
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hi richard, what pole brush fan/pencils are you using
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lol dazmond u sound jelous of richard. if you sort your prices out daz n stop all the crappy 3-5 pound houses you do or at least put them up surely with a full compact round you would earn a lot more and hit day takings a lot higher than you do???
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lol dazmond u sound jelous of richard. if you sort your prices out daz n stop all the crappy 3-5 pound houses you do or at least put them up surely with a full compact round you would earn a lot more and hit day takings a lot higher than you do???
I think daz has been doing this for quite a while and reeding his posts he seems to have his head screwed on the right way. People could do a lot worse than listen to his advice (except about trad!!!)
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lol dazmond u sound jelous of richard. if you sort your prices out daz n stop all the crappy 3-5 pound houses you do or at least put them up surely with a full compact round you would earn a lot more and hit day takings a lot higher than you do???
I think daz has been doing this for quite a while and reeding his posts he seems to have his head screwed on the right way. People could do a lot worse than listen to his advice (except about trad!!!)
agreed to an extent. i also have been doing it for a long time and make it a rule to keep with the times by putting prices up. daz said had an estate with 30 odd houses but all underpriced at 3-5 pounders. if they were all at 10 pound he also would be hitting higher day rates like richard does??.
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Yes but by doubling the price how many would he lose? If he lost say25% it wouldn't save him 25% of his time as he would have to travel else where to get new customers. I know if i put up my prices by 100% I would lose more than half the custom
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a lot of the houses dazmond probably does, aint £10 houses, as i think he has a lot of terrace work,
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Yes but by doubling the price how many would he lose? If he lost say25% it wouldn't save him 25% of his time as he would have to travel else where to get new customers. I know if i put up my prices by 100% I would lose more than half the custom
im not saying he should do a 100 percent price rise, that would be suicide. he has been doing these 16 odd years so surely should have put them up is all im stating. 10 years ago when i started most of my work was 6-8 pounders all terrace/semi work and now they are at 12-15. i only put them up 50p-a pound every few years but has kept me on track with the avarage around my way.
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Mick I think we are singing from the same hymn sheet! We always put our prices up by 10% every two years. I will not try and tell Daz how to run his business, he's been at it nearly as long as me, but most if not all customers will stand for that
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dancing thats intresting what kind of dancing.
salsa! love it ;D mambo to be specific... if you're a dancer. i used to teach when i started my first business, when i needed more money. that and worked in starbucks
starbucks which one i clean loadsa ov em ;)
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sometimes richard 400 a day in the areas
i clean aswell
no lad ive being a wc 27yrs never done 4 ton a day
so yr trying to tell me yr busier than me
wiv a hell ov a lot dearer than me nahhhhhhh
m8 we'll av to meet up like
rich im fast trad or wfp so lets ava chat ;)
cuz i must be doing it wrong like
even after nearly 30yrs ???
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hi richard, what pole brush fan/pencils are you using
hey santa! just a gardiner CLX22 with sill brush and pencil jets. nothing special reallly
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sometimes richard 400 a day in the areas
i clean aswell
no lad ive being a wc 27yrs never done 4 ton a day
so yr trying to tell me yr busier than me
wiv a hell ov a lot dearer than me nahhhhhhh
m8 we'll av to meet up like
rich im fast trad or wfp so lets ava chat ;)
cuz i must be doing it wrong like
even after nearly 30yrs ???
we did £440 yesterday with me and my christmas helper working 8-4:10 and need to get thru £460 today...
i cant comment on your round or your prices, but remember i've been trained and coached by some very high achieving WCs so i;m benefiting from their experiences.
only doing those numbers because i;m taking a holiday over christmas
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sometimes richard 400 a day in the areas
i clean aswell
no lad ive being a wc 27yrs never done 4 ton a day
so yr trying to tell me yr busier than me
wiv a hell ov a lot dearer than me nahhhhhhh
m8 we'll av to meet up like
rich im fast trad or wfp so lets ava chat ;)
cuz i must be doing it wrong like
even after nearly 30yrs ???
we did £440 yesterday with me and my christmas helper working 8-4:10 and need to get thru £460 today...
i cant comment on your round or your prices, but remember i've been trained and coached by some very high achieving WCs so i;m benefiting from their experiences.
only doing those numbers because i;m taking a holiday over christmas
if you are that high trained with all that surport behind you,then why the hell does you come on here and ask question.
me think richard that you are a bit porky pie teller
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sometimes richard 400 a day in the areas
i clean aswell
no lad ive being a wc 27yrs never done 4 ton a day
so yr trying to tell me yr busier than me
wiv a hell ov a lot dearer than me nahhhhhhh
m8 we'll av to meet up like
rich im fast trad or wfp so lets ava chat ;)
cuz i must be doing it wrong like
even after nearly 30yrs ???
30 years mate can be a bad thing sometimes that does not make you faster but does mean you will have a load of bad habits picked up over the years :-*
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You can "SMELL" Concept20!! ;D ;D
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sometimes richard 400 a day in the areas
i clean aswell
no lad ive being a wc 27yrs never done 4 ton a day
so yr trying to tell me yr busier than me
wiv a hell ov a lot dearer than me nahhhhhhh
m8 we'll av to meet up like
rich im fast trad or wfp so lets ava chat ;)
cuz i must be doing it wrong like
even after nearly 30yrs ???
we did £440 yesterday with me and my christmas helper working 8-4:10 and need to get thru £460 today...
i cant comment on your round or your prices, but remember i've been trained and coached by some very high achieving WCs so i;m benefiting from their experiences.
only doing those numbers because i;m taking a holiday over christmas
if you are that high trained with all that surport behind you,then why the hell does you come on here and ask question.
me think richard that you are a bit porky pie teller
i didn't ask this question? i was responding to richie wilts Q.
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What are you doing on here Richard? You've got work to do or have you had a blinder and finished early with £460 in the bag?
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richard £400 a day and some of the houses u do for £10? are you sure? im lost about all this now !
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Not going to get to involved in this one,but i say fair play to richard .........the question was posted and the chap has responed simple as that!!! he has no reason to lie and if he is (which i for one don't think he is) then he's lieing to HIMSELF.........this game is quite simple,you get out what you put in,do things correct,be polite,look professional and you will acheive what ever you want to,because there are plenty of idiots out there who offer a crap service!!! ;) ;)
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i smell jealousy in the air ;D come on ladies if your
not achieving ricardos figures after years and years at this
game well lets face it you re useless and should give up. ;D
cmon get over your insecurities that you are all failing in
this pathetic ping contest ;D
you can keep poking and prodding as much as you like
but the chap aint gonna change his stance whether you believe
him or not.personally ill take it at face value and say well done.
there aint no way i could achieve those figures for one i
dont like working that hard ;D ;D
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we dont get anywhere near that much, but i know some who say they have. Whether i believe it or not is another thing.
Good comment above tho, if you lie or boast about something, you know it yourself, whats the point? Wheres the self esteem or pride in that.
Cant see how that much can be earnt, but if he can, good for him! So long as we are all individually happy with what we do and how we provide for our families, then so be it. I wouldnt want people telling me im working for peanuts or should be putting my prices up on old peoples bungalows that we do at I feel is a fair price, and i guess likewise other people dont want me to critise them for ripping off people or charging alot, live and let live eh?
Each to their own, ive got enough to worry about without any sort of male anatomy measuring!! :o :-[ Good luck to you all, i still think its a great place to learn new stuff and new ideas. And see where i am going wrong or can improve! So heres to CIU! and what other forums are out there ;) (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)
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ok gonna stick my oar in here and Bob Plumb will back me up as well ....Both Bob and I work in same areas as Richard ... both Bob and I have seen how Richard operates ... we also both understand how he runs his business ... we have both seen how fast he works. ... which is FAST FAST FAST
I would like to think people know im not a bull s hitter on here
also remember he answered a question in all innocence
does he earn what he says
YES ! ..... the guy works so fast its beyond beleif ... personally I would be worried about quality issues.
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ok gonna stick my oar in here and Bob Plumb will back me up as well ....Both Bob and I work in same areas as Richard ... both Bob and I have seen how Richard operates ... we also both understand how he runs his business ... we have both seen how fast he works. ... which is FAST FAST FAST
I would like to think people know im not a bull s hitter on here
also remember he answered a question in all innocence
does he earn what he says
YES !
I like to think I work quite fast as well without compromising the quality of my work,HOWEVER I do stop short of overcharging/ripping customers off because if the figures are correct that is exactly what he is doing.I wonder how many crimbo tips he would get if his customers knew he makes £350 a day on his own :o
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think Richard should put a video on youtube but watched his guy ... the one he let go do a 3 bed house in under 5 minutes ... 10 seconds on a bay window :o :o .. like i said id be concerned about quality but hes still cleaning the houses ?
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What are you doing on here Richard? You've got work to do or have you had a blinder and finished early with £460 in the bag?
i was just back for lunch and needed to do a quick refill at home. felt like my arms were gonna fall off! ;D
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ok gonna stick my oar in here and Bob Plumb will back me up as well ....Both Bob and I work in same areas as Richard ... both Bob and I have seen how Richard operates ... we also both understand how he runs his business ... we have both seen how fast he works. ... which is FAST FAST FAST
I would like to think people know im not a bull s hitter on here
also remember he answered a question in all innocence
does he earn what he says
YES !
I like to think I work quite fast as well without compromising the quality of my work,HOWEVER I do stop short of overcharging/ripping customers off because if the figures are correct that is exactly what he is doing.I wonder how many crimbo tips he would get if his customers knew he makes £350 a day on his own :o
its not really for you to judge if you think i'm ripping people off, and you've got no basis top say that anyhow without seeing the properties. in general for a normal clean, we're a couple of quid more than other decent cleaners in our area. hardly a rip off. if our customers feel theyre getting value for money, then they're happy to pay. dont underestimate customers. they're not stupid and will judge us on our merits. nobody signs up with us because they think we're the cheapest. they sign with us and stay with us because they like the service.
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i agree with Gary regarding jealousy and some people will be sceptical which is fair but everyone is different,people go about their work in different ways, i don't leave the house till 9.00am Richard probably as done 3/4 house by then,i finish around 3.30 in the winter, Richard finishes around 4.00 so there is and extra 1/2 houses,i have dinner i doubt Richard does and as i mentioned on a previous post because of the back up from concept he as gone about his business in a different way to most window cleaners.
to give you an example of how Richard set his stall out from the word go,he wouldn't clean his own sisters house because of access to the rear(entry type area) i know this because i do it ;D
I have met Richard on a couple of occasions and had coffee(i am sure he had no money?) and i believe he is not the type to lie but he is business minded and that's probably the big difference between him and some other window cleaners, that's just my view
If he says he can earn£450 a day i have no doubt to believe him and more power to him :)
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thats exactly what richard speech is doing!he s ripping people off whichever way you dress is up with customer satisfaction blah blah!! ;D ;D ;D
splash and dash and working at break neck speed charging top dollar!!the fact is mate you dont really give a toss mate do you? ;D ;D ;D
fair play but just admit it!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
i for one am certainly not jealous!i have plenty of money for my needs or i wouldnt of just spent £800 on an electronic drum kit!! ;D ;D
im happy with my round and customers.also i do work quickly but not at the expense of quality.i dont take the p***!!
IMO richard is being greedy and you will lose work eventually.your reputation will suffer as well.....eventually.
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daz - richard is only doing what you proclaim in your sig line ..... jus' sayin' ;)
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thats exactly what richard speech is doing!he s ripping people off whichever way you dress is up with customer satisfaction blah blah!! ;D ;D ;D
splash and dash and working at break neck speed charging top dollar!!the fact is mate you dont really give a toss mate do you? ;D ;D ;D
fair play but just admit it!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
i for one am certainly not jealous!i have plenty of money for my needs or i wouldnt of just spent £800 on an electronic drum kit!! ;D ;D
im happy with my round and customers.also i do work quickly but not at the expense of quality.i dont take the p***!!
IMO richard is being greedy and you will lose work eventually.your reputation will suffer as well.....eventually.
Just think,if you were business minded like Richard you could have bought a proper electronic dum kit..... ;D
The guy is obviously running a business where most wc's (myself included) just run a wc round...there is a vast differance,and if you dont understand the differance then it is totally unjust to make accusations of ripping customers off etc etc....
All customers have the opportunity to say no to a price,so imo you cannot be ripped off by a wc unless he is not doing the job properly,which is obviously not the case if he is building a succesful business.
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It is impossible to rip a customer off without some criminal act like short-changing them. Every single one of them can simply ask you not to come again.
Look at me, minimum charge £16 (prices on my website before I'm accused of lying). Full round (yes, I might be lying but why bother?). Am I ripping them off? Given that they keep on paying me, I suspect not. I don't work in an area with "patches", so it's not like I'm their only choice.
All power to Richard's (and anyone else's) elbow.
Stop worrying about what other people are doing and do your job the way you like, charging whatever you like.
Vin
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I picked up a new customer yesterday, 4 Bedroom detached, who already have a cleaner, they want the insides and out done every month, they are looking for another cleaner because the lady only want the same person to do the insides, she is unhappy with different "strangers" turning up each month.
They are trad, so only clean the glass and wipe the frames down and they charge £25 per clean.
I quoted it at £50 with the promise that the inside cleaner will always be the same person.
I also cleaned all of the white facia boards the front and back doors and even the garage door, as well as the low level gutters.
It took one hour to do, which should drop to 30 mintues in future cleans.
They are now happy with the service and they are happy to pay for what they consider is good service, not a wide eye boy who is ripping them off.
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Dazmond is a very helpful member of this board and imo has a good outlook on life. His prices are low but he is happy with what he earns. This is what is so appealing about the business. You can make of it what you want.
Most wc's are in it for the lifestyle. They start when they want, finish when they want and have no pillock over them trying to justify their position.
It does depend slightly on where you work, some areas it would be impossible to have minimum charges of double figures no matter how good your business plan, people just couldn't afford/justify it. Having said that, I believe it is possible for a sole trader to earn around £350 day in day out if he prices high, works fast and looks after himself and his kit.
I don't because I am knackered just thinking about it :)
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this is like a merry go round you lot cant get off! ;D
first attack old ricardo now dazmond ;D ;D ;D
this post is pointless as long as your happy what you
are doing why worry ;D ;D ;D
you lot eh! ;D ;D ;D
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i agree with Gary regarding jealousy and some people will be sceptical which is fair but everyone is different,people go about their work in different ways, i don't leave the house till 9.00am Richard probably as done 3/4 house by then,i finish around 3.30 in the winter, Richard finishes around 4.00 so there is and extra 1/2 houses,i have dinner i doubt Richard does and as i mentioned on a previous post because of the back up from concept he as gone about his business in a different way to most window cleaners.
to give you an example of how Richard set his stall out from the word go,he wouldn't clean his own sisters house because of access to the rear(entry type area) i know this because i do it ;D
I have met Richard on a couple of occasions and had coffee(i am sure he had no money?) and i believe he is not the type to lie but he is business minded and that's probably the big difference between him and some other window cleaners, that's just my view
If he says he can earn£450 a day i have no doubt to believe him and more power to him :)
Good post
Its a mistake to assume all window cleaners earn the same or similar amounts of money
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why blocked?
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well, weve done it now, aint we?
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done what
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ure always looking to start a fight vader whats wrong, worked all day .
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i for one am certainly not jealous!i have plenty of money for my needs or i wouldnt of just spent £800 on an electronic drum kit!!
Well im jealous of you, id love to just pop the headphones on and bash away any time i like. I get serious grief from her indoors, theres never a right time for playing drums in our house.
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i for one am certainly not jealous!i have plenty of money for my needs or i wouldnt of just spent £800 on an electronic drum kit!!
Well im jealous of you, id love to just pop the headphones on and bash away any time i like. I get serious grief from her indoors, theres never a right time for playing drums in our house.
do you get as much grief for playing the banjo? :-X ;D pmsl
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to defend richard as ive just read the whole thread, and i know that if i had all my best priced houses in the same street one after each other i could make £560 9-5 with 1hr in breaks. thats based on 4 houses an hr at £20 each.
obviously never going to happen to me, i think my record is in the £300's. but dont call him a liar, £350 a day is possible.
actually my record is £450 but that was a 6hr commercial job, so it doesnt count! (which unfortunately had to go towards the £550 pole i had to buy for the job!)
How do you manage to clean 4 houses at £20 each per hour???
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i'm a sole trader,don't make anywhere near that,
but i'm comfortable,so it'll do me,32 houses a day?????? fair play to ya
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32 house you must be a machine i avg that with two men. Not saying your lying as ive got a mate who does it aswell (who is also a Machine)