Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Pope vader on November 27, 2011, 12:58:31 pm
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any one going to take on a muppet just to get the cash off the gov?
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you only get 1/2 minimum wage for 6 months so you still have to pay 75% of min wage
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what the govt havent though through is that the work has to be there in the first place to make a job vacancy appear. if you can manage now alone then why would you set a person on? if you see what i mean. its a great idea for some big companies...................
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the majority wont pass the toerag stage of the interview process
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Even though its not perfect, its something. I would be looking to employ soon and i think the government are on the right wavelength here.
Its all very well saying that they are muppets, but if you look for muppets your going to get muppets.
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i think the rules are that they have to have been unemployed for 6 months or more .... hmmmm your welcome to em but ..........Im out :)
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Some good attitudes, on here. And how we moan when others look down on window cleaners.
"Muppets"........"toerags".........eyes roll.
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Some good attitudes, on here. And how we moan when others look down on window cleaners.
"Muppets"........"toerags".........eyes roll.
i live in cornwall, and most of them are muppets down here, they moan that all the emits take the jobs, but a lot of the cornish where i live are think as F i stopped employing cornish after my 3 rd one who couldnt read or write and kept ballsing up jobs, i know its sterostyping people but a lot of the employers i know wont touch the cornish
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haha if you employ someone from the job center that has been 6 months unemployed then you gotta be real lucky not to get a muppet or a toerag ... any of you who doubt that then i challenge you to do it and come back on here and let us know your results ..... muppet and toerag city .... cant wait to find out the results
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think as F
You mean thick? Oooh the.......
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lol. see what they are doing to me, making me thick
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Im confident that the job market is so tough out there, that if you look for the right people, you should have no problems finding someone worth employing.
The mindset is, that cos its a window cleaning job, all your able to put up with is a bunch if no hopers who cant read or write, have no decent communication skills, and are on drugs or in and out of prison.
I got some news for you, these are uneployable. why waste your time?
When i look for someone, its going to be a starting salary of 18k per year, company van, performance bonus, and a clear career path set to get to rounds manager in 5 years.
In return i want people who have at least 5 grades GCSE C and above, are physically fit, have a full uk driving licence, can demonstrate they are good communicators, and be polite, and well turned out.
Trust me, you will find them, they are out there, its beter than what b&q can offer and this is the minimum even they would accept.
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haha if you employ someone from the job center that has been 6 months unemployed then you gotta be real lucky not to get a muppet or a toerag ... any of you who doubt that then i challenge you to do it and come back on here and let us know your results ..... muppet and toerag city .... cant wait to find out the results
I won't take up your challenge and I don't feel I have to, to prove that you could be wrong.
I wouldn't say it was down to luck, either. Not if you know what you are doing.
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lol. see what they are doing to me, making me thick
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My parents are the same ;).
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they down in cornwall
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any one going to take on a muppet just to get the cash off the gov?
The kids dont really stand a chance in this country do they ???
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no, they dont, but a lot dont help themselves,
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And a lot dont have the opportunities to help themselves..
And with attitudes towards youngsters as they are they probably feel rejected and defeated before they are even given a chance in life....
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Yeah its no wonder their were riots earlier on in the year.
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The thread title is a bit disrespectful.
"Cash for Kermits" might have been a bit better.
Seriously, not everyone who has spent six months on the dole is an undeserving loser. If I were in the market for employing, if someone had a good attitude, I would take them on regardless.
When I started window cleaning in 1991 I had been on the dole a few weeks at the time. I managed to start up because I had an old banger of a hatchback car, a credit card to buy a few tools and an out of trade plumber friend who lent me his ladder. Without that, I may well have spent six months or more on the dole. Even if you start unemployment with a good attitude, it's easy for that to get eroded as bitterness takes over.
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I got into window cleaning following 3 months of unemployment after being made redundant. I was 34 years old at the time, and I was climbing the walls because no one would give me a chance. That is until a good friend of mine with an established window cleaning business gave me the chance to work with him. That was nearly 15 years ago now, and I will always be grateful to my friend who helped me get back on my feet.
Paul makes a good point about the bitterness setting in. I was beginning to feel this way because I was being rejected for jobs on my age alone, although I was willing to do anything to prove I wanted to work.
I believe that there are guys (young and not so young) out there who are willing to work. Their attitude, appropriate dress sense and general demeanor at a properly conducted interview would clearly demonstrate their suitability.
John
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Spot on johnny
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I got into window cleaning following 3 months of unemployment after being made redundant. I was 34 years old at the time, and I was climbing the walls because no one would give me a chance. That is until a good friend of mine with an established window cleaning business gave me the chance to work with him. That was nearly 15 years ago now, and I will always be grateful to my friend who helped me get back on my feet.
Paul makes a good point about the bitterness setting in. I was beginning to feel this way because I was being rejected for jobs on my age alone, although I was willing to do anything to prove I wanted to work.
I believe that there are guys (young and not so young) out there who are willing to work. Their attitude, appropriate dress sense and general demeanor at a properly conducted interview would clearly demonstrate their suitability.
John
34 seems to be a good age to start. I was 34 too.
It's young enough to be fit enough to do physical graft. It's old enough to be trusted by the population at large.
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I got into window cleaning following 3 months of unemployment after being made redundant. I was 34 years old at the time, and I was climbing the walls because no one would give me a chance. That is until a good friend of mine with an established window cleaning business gave me the chance to work with him. That was nearly 15 years ago now, and I will always be grateful to my friend who helped me get back on my feet.
Paul makes a good point about the bitterness setting in. I was beginning to feel this way because I was being rejected for jobs on my age alone, although I was willing to do anything to prove I wanted to work.
I believe that there are guys (young and not so young) out there who are willing to work. Their attitude, appropriate dress sense and general demeanor at a properly conducted interview would clearly demonstrate their suitability.
John
34 seems to be a good age to start. I was 34 too.
It's young enough to be fit enough to do physical graft. It's old enough to be trusted by the population at large.
Wrigley said.
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I think this is a really good idea and reckon I'll be taking the govt up on this incentive.
When does the idea come into force? anyone know?
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I had a call the other day. Would I like to take on an apprentice - Im sure the chap said that hourly rate was around £2.64 age group around 18/22 I think by memory, could work a full time week...., not sure if that gets topped up by the government, they have rung about three times now.. he was going to send some info in the post - never got it. Think I still have the number on the mobile, if anyone wants it...
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I think this is a really good idea and reckon I'll be taking the govt up on this incentive.
When does the idea come into force? anyone know?
next april, you are correct this was done at a local level in our area, and if you do it correctly it can work well
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I got into window cleaning following 3 months of unemployment after being made redundant. I was 34 years old at the time, and I was climbing the walls because no one would give me a chance. That is until a good friend of mine with an established window cleaning business gave me the chance to work with him. That was nearly 15 years ago now, and I will always be grateful to my friend who helped me get back on my feet.
Paul makes a good point about the bitterness setting in. I was beginning to feel this way because I was being rejected for jobs on my age alone, although I was willing to do anything to prove I wanted to work.
I believe that there are guys (young and not so young) out there who are willing to work. Their attitude, appropriate dress sense and general demeanor at a properly conducted interview would clearly demonstrate their suitability.
John
34 seems to be a good age to start. I was 34 too.
It's young enough to be fit enough to do physical graft. It's old enough to be trusted by the population at large.
Im 34 now and started 10 yrs ago.
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Yeah its no wonder their were riots earlier on in the year.
Really ... Seriously ! No excuse ... how about the small Businesses struggling due to riots.
Poor kids - please explain to me how locally Amazon are still taking on yet i still know 18 yr olds not prepared to even approach them, as its not the job they want!
There is always work out there - as usual our population are not prepared to do it if its hard work, when they can sit on their ar**s and get paid
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Yeah its no wonder their were riots earlier on in the year.
Really ... Seriously ! No excuse ... how about the small Businesses struggling due to riots.
Poor kids - please explain to me how locally Amazon are still taking on yet i still know 18 yr olds not prepared to even approach them, as its not the job they want!
There is always work out there - as usual our population are not prepared to do it if its hard work, when they can sit on their ar**s and get paid
I can't explain how no local 18 year olds are prepared to approach Amazon, but can you explain how "as usual our population are not prepared to do it if its hard work"?
How can you say that about a "population"?
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Think Mike alot of probs are with communication and confidence, seen it myself - in the old days - you know you were told to ring up firms and put yourself out there, dont think it happens any more. Lot of our youngsters come from broken homes - confidence at a complete low level, so its unlikely they will get on the blower. Youngsters really need to be given a chance to prove they can do it - incentive etc, if some companies would be prepared to take people under their wings, they might flourish.
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lots do exactly that I get about one to two calls a week from lads looking for work, I also get emails and cv's sent to me
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Thats good Stu
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Yeah its no wonder their were riots earlier on in the year.
Really ... Seriously ! No excuse ... how about the small Businesses struggling due to riots.
Poor kids - please explain to me how locally Amazon are still taking on yet i still know 18 yr olds not prepared to even approach them, as its not the job they want!
There is always work out there - as usual our population are not prepared to do it if its hard work, when they can sit on their ar**s and get paid
I can't explain how no local 18 year olds are prepared to approach Amazon, but can you explain how "as usual our population are not prepared to do it if its hard work"?
How can you say that about a "population"?
From trying to employ part time staff in the 'cleaning industry' .. ranging from domestic cleaners to exterior cleaners Paying from £7.5 - £12 per hr far higher than min wage... for example one ongoing external litter picking job also involved using large vacuum units.. operating in a team of 5 needed to replace one operator... cant tell you how many times we were let down every excuse under the sun .....one young guy even handed his notice in via facebook giving us 2 days notice.. in the end hired a Polish guy.. have not been let down once in 18 mths come rain or shine.
No disrespect but as your profiles are hidden and we cant see your company etc have no way of knowing ... have you taken on staff - part time etc ??
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I got into window cleaning following 3 months of unemployment after being made redundant. I was 34 years old at the time, and I was climbing the walls because no one would give me a chance. That is until a good friend of mine with an established window cleaning business gave me the chance to work with him. That was nearly 15 years ago now, and I will always be grateful to my friend who helped me get back on my feet.
Paul makes a good point about the bitterness setting in. I was beginning to feel this way because I was being rejected for jobs on my age alone, although I was willing to do anything to prove I wanted to work.
I believe that there are guys (young and not so young) out there who are willing to work. Their attitude, appropriate dress sense and general demeanor at a properly conducted interview would clearly demonstrate their suitability.
John
34 seems to be a good age to start. I was 34 too.
It's young enough to be fit enough to do physical graft. It's old enough to be trusted by the population at large.
i was 23 when i started, only realy just started taking it seriously as a propper business over the last couple of years though to be honest.
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Mike Roberts,
No, I've not taken on for a long time. I understand your problems but it's still a gross generalisation.
Ps. the Facebook story is funny. Not at the time, for you, I know; but I'm sure you can laugh about it now ;D.
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i would love to find someone who could do this job, but they either turn out to be useless or just want days off, as they need to go shopping with there wife, even though they dont drive, the prob you got is if alot earn over a certain amount then they are worse off financial, ie housein benefit, so unless they can get a 20 k a year job it isnt worth going to work
if i didnt work and my misses didnt we would get £398 a week in benefits,
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Yeah its no wonder their were riots earlier on in the year.
Really ... Seriously ! No excuse ... how about the small Businesses struggling due to riots.
Poor kids - please explain to me how locally Amazon are still taking on yet i still know 18 yr olds not prepared to even approach them, as its not the job they want!
There is always work out there - as usual our population are not prepared to do it if its hard work, when they can sit on their ar**s and get paid
Erm im not condoning the riots, its a discrace and an international embarresment.
These youths are constantly bombarded with adverts for i phones, the latest clothes, and the stuff that these teenagers are all suckers for, they dont have the money for these things, no jobs, no future, nothing to do all day, easy communication via electronic devices, what do you expect? This was brewing for years to be honest.
Our kids dont have a future, they have a education system that is failing them, unrealistic veiws of what life should be like, and they are angry, and you can see why.
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Im with you Stock, because these are the guys that are going to be looking after us when we are old and sick - need to be given a chance.
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yer hear hear....sounds great but wasnt half the actual people arrested not kids but actually educated members of the public! Sorry if I am wrong please correct me..
So in actual fact that statement is nonsense
Mike Roberts,
No, I've not taken on for a long time. I understand your problems but it's still a gross generalisation.
Ps. the Facebook story is funny. Not at the time, for you, I know; but I'm sure you can laugh about it now ;D.
No I am still bitter ;D ;D ;D Yes I apologise if it upset people ;D ;D There are a few on here which drive me crazy ref taking on staff who havent even tried it... so how how can they comment >:( >:(
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Im confident that the job market is so tough out there, that if you look for the right people, you should have no problems finding someone worth employing.
The mindset is, that cos its a window cleaning job, all your able to put up with is a bunch if no hopers who cant read or write, have no decent communication skills, and are on drugs or in and out of prison.
I got some news for you, these are uneployable. why waste your time?
When i look for someone, its going to be a starting salary of 18k per year, company van, performance bonus, and a clear career path set to get to rounds manager in 5 years.
In return i want people who have at least 5 grades GCSE C and above, are physically fit, have a full uk driving licence, can demonstrate they are good communicators, and be polite, and well turned out.
Trust me, you will find them, they are out there, its beter than what b&q can offer and this is the minimum even they would accept.
The trouble is with these people once you have shown them how its done you have just educated a rival. Its a difficult situation because you want good people but if they have any sense they will soon see an opportunity that they can move themselves up on to the next stage, ie without you. And who's to blame them?
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so vince how come window cleaning company's up and down the country can and do find good window cleaners and keep them for years?
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aint it funny all these 1 man bands with no experience on this subject with such strong views
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aint it funny all these 1 man bands with no experience on this subject with such strong views
I would say you were one of those with "such strong views".
I don't claim to be experienced on the subject of employing but I know what I think is right and wouldn't say it was that strange or outrageous.
I'm not using words like "muppets", "toerags" or saying a "population" doesn't want to work.
I might be wrong but I think my views are fairly conservative (that's with a small 'c').
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aint it funny all these 1 man bands with no experience on this subject with such strong views
I am a one man band, but did employ and used a similar scheme, I interviewed the so called toe rags and employed the best available who wasn't a toe rag, I had my problems but I have learned and will not make the same mistakes again, I have to say most of the mistakes were my doing
my dad employed for the best part of 50 years, my brother as well, they all had problem employees but there are good ones to be found
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so vince how come window cleaning company's up and down the country can and do find good window cleaners and keep them for years?
Not round here they don't. Not judging by the ones who keep asking me for a job and claim to have worked for this one or that one but they only want cash in hand because they don't want to screw up their benefits.
I don't know how the big companies get on but I would imagine they get a turnover like everyone else. Hopefully a few good ones will stick.
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aint it funny all these 1 man bands with no experience on this subject with such strong views
And for some of us thats why we remain as one man bands. Been there, seen it, done it. Don't need the hassle.
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there is a reason a lot go back to 1 man bands, lot less hassle
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its a numbers game the more you employ the better chance of getting a good one , so employ them supervise them closely and if you have any doubts get shut in the first 3 months and try another, when you do find a good one look after them.
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Im confident that the job market is so tough out there, that if you look for the right people, you should have no problems finding someone worth employing.
The mindset is, that cos its a window cleaning job, all your able to put up with is a bunch if no hopers who cant read or write, have no decent communication skills, and are on drugs or in and out of prison.
I got some news for you, these are uneployable. why waste your time?
When i look for someone, its going to be a starting salary of 18k per year, company van, performance bonus, and a clear career path set to get to rounds manager in 5 years.
In return i want people who have at least 5 grades GCSE C and above, are physically fit, have a full uk driving licence, can demonstrate they are good communicators, and be polite, and well turned out.
Trust me, you will find them, they are out there, its beter than what b&q can offer and this is the minimum even they would accept.
do you expect many applications for the position when they need tose qualifications to get a job window cleaning? career? work up to "round manager"? im not trying to have a go at you stock clean, i just wonder how many people will apply and how many will want the job after working as a window cleaner for about 3 days.
if they have qualifications that prove they can spell their name they will want a better "career" than round manager i think. good luck though.
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so vince how come window cleaning company's up and down the country can and do find good window cleaners and keep them for years?
Not round here they don't. Not judging by the ones who keep asking me for a job and claim to have worked for this one or that one but they only want cash in hand because they don't want to screw up their benefits.
I don't know how the big companies get on but I would imagine they get a turnover like everyone else. Hopefully a few good ones will stick.
I once received an unsolicited CV through the post. Although I wasn't looking to take anyone on, I did read it.
It looked pretty impressive, naming several local cleaning companies for whom he had worked. There was a gap in employment which I assumed was unemployment or out of trade.
I know the owner of one of the companies. The guy had worked for him. However, he said that the guy drove the van like a lunatic and that the gap in employment was when he tried to attack someone with a hammer (he went down).
Now I'm all for second chances, partly because my own distant past isn't exactly rosy (though non-violent), but how the heck could I employ someone with that in their past? If they needed disciplining or sacking, I would always have that hammer on my mind. No thanks.
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haha how dare we say such AWFUL words , muppet , toerag can anyone think of any more........ cover your ears if you are sensitive , there seems like there may be a few of you out there , ok here goes ......... numptys , goodfernothings , scroungers , lazyasses , and now for a really bad one .....nobends .... :o
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haha how dare we say such AWFUL words , muppet , toerag can anyone think of any more........ cover your ears if you are sensitive , there seems like there may be a few of you out there , ok here goes ......... numptys , goodfernothings , scroungers , lazyasses , and now for a really bad one .....nobends .... :o
"Strong views", eh?
I bet you know some even naughtier words, don't you? But I'm sorry for having the audacity to disagree with you and making you use such language............eyes roll.
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unqualified views i should have said ;D
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unqualified views i should have said ;D
That's more like it; in my case, anyway.
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1 of the 2 lads i employ is starting to flag. its a real downer cos i was getting the round how i want it but now im carrying him even on the easy days and i wont be able to get another new one before crimbo.
he was okay in fine weather but now the temp has dipped im beset with excuses that hes feeling dizzy on the ladder or ill with weak bowels. hes already wearing gloves even though theres no frost as such, i predict he will be gone in the January snap.
What im getting at is that you can look hard and then settle on the most charming applicant but then fall at the 3rd fence
joe muggins here even has sent him home twice early( with pay) as could be he really was ill , but the acid test is next week, when im going to throw him days of serious slog ,i will be working alongside him and lets see if he can rise out of his temperature induced depression
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i had loads of lads working with me during the mid 90s.i vowed a few years ago never to employ again.i used to give allsorts a chance most didnt last more than a few days/weeks.some not even a day!!!
i much prefer staying as a sole trader then i can please myself what hours i work and ensure the job is done to a decent standard(most of the time!).
the aggro just wasnt worth it for me.