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Title: Facebook
Post by: Steve. Taylor on November 13, 2011, 04:04:06 pm
trying to get some likes on face book. appreciate it if you could spare a few seconds guys.
thanks in advance :)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Custom-Cleaners/118761488234942


will do the same if you let me know your facebook ID.

Steve.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Paul Evans on November 13, 2011, 04:13:10 pm
Done,

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Paul-Evans-North-West-Carpet-Care/144818952238595
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: David MK Cleaning on November 13, 2011, 04:16:55 pm
also liked
http://www.facebook.com/pages/DC-Property-Maintenance/167175033371663?ref=tn_tinyman
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus) on November 13, 2011, 05:06:22 pm
Done Steve

http://www.facebook.com/CarpetCarePlusSurrey
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Steve Gunn on November 13, 2011, 05:44:57 pm
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gunns-Cleaning-Services/92233646774
 ;)
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: derek west on November 13, 2011, 06:00:21 pm
http://www.facebook.com/affordablecleaners
http://www.facebook.com/affordablecleanerscheshire
http://www.facebook.com/TACCA.CO.UK

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Petition-macdonalds-to-serve-breakfast-till-1130am/237411196302181
  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: bennymon on November 13, 2011, 06:11:04 pm
steve  / steve b  / paul  /dave / gunny  / and derek all done.
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/A-B-M-carpet-cleaning/155228131183999
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Bob Robertson on November 13, 2011, 07:29:01 pm
All done guys


http://www.facebook.com/MattVac

Bob
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Art of Clean on November 13, 2011, 08:47:53 pm
Hi All ... All pages done regards

http://www.facebook.com/artofclean

Pierre

Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Jamie Pearson on November 13, 2011, 09:02:06 pm
Done em all.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/CSUK/148121215234478 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/CSUK/148121215234478)

Reciprocation appreciated  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: cannon on November 13, 2011, 09:15:18 pm
All done

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cannon-Cleaning/166313420100271
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Andrew Briscoe on November 13, 2011, 09:18:29 pm
All liked

http://www.facebook.com/pages/​Andrew-Briscoe-Cleaning-Servic​es/106343672787702
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: derek west on November 13, 2011, 09:34:53 pm
oh come on guys, i only need another 2 million likes and i think i have a chance.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Petition-macdonalds-to-serve-breakfast-till-1130am/237411196302181
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: boshravie on November 13, 2011, 11:01:07 pm
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Brighton-and-Hove-Professional-Cleaning-Company/107461269335675

Done you all guys, and yes please  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Jamie Pearson on November 14, 2011, 09:22:15 am
oh come on guys, i only need another 2 million likes and i think i have a chance.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Petition-macdonalds-to-serve-breakfast-till-1130am/237411196302181


Just start an hour earlier every day Derek and you will make it in time.
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: neil 47 on November 14, 2011, 02:30:02 pm
liked all

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Barnsley-Carpet-and-upholstery-cleaners/211659385574626
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Alban Cleaning on November 14, 2011, 02:56:38 pm
All done guys

http://www.facebook.com/albancleaningsupplies

thanks in advance  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Alban Cleaning on November 14, 2011, 02:58:41 pm
Neil 47

wicked spotter pic  ;D
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: neil 47 on November 14, 2011, 04:16:03 pm
did you like us alban just done yours
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Helen on November 14, 2011, 04:28:45 pm
All done Steve, just about to like everyone else on here, so please like ours aswell

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Willclean-Cleaning-Services/239776079410974
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Alban Cleaning on November 14, 2011, 04:41:03 pm
thanks for that mate, I have liked everyone here

cheers

Paul


Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: John Kelly on November 15, 2011, 02:16:50 pm
Think I've 'liked'  everyone.  Reciprocation much appreciated.  ;)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Restormate/189661451109854
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Billy Russell on November 16, 2011, 11:31:49 am
can you like me as well! please!!

http://www.facebook.com/carpetcleaningherefordshire
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: fitz2kleen on November 16, 2011, 12:57:37 pm
im all clicked out... liked all i hadnt liked already

http://www.facebook.com/Fitz2Kleen
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Helen on November 16, 2011, 02:56:34 pm
im all clicked out... liked all i hadnt liked already

http://www.facebook.com/Fitz2Kleen
]

did you do ours? can't see you ;D
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Willclean-Cleaning-Services/239776079410974
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: fitz2kleen on November 16, 2011, 03:44:34 pm
im all clicked out... liked all i hadnt liked already

http://www.facebook.com/Fitz2Kleen
]

did you do ours? can't see you ;D
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Willclean-Cleaning-Services/239776079410974
I did but wouldnt show a like button to fitz2kleen so had to switch to my real name.  :o :o
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Helen on November 16, 2011, 04:16:23 pm
im all clicked out... liked all i hadnt liked already

http://www.facebook.com/Fitz2Kleen
]

did you do ours? can't see you ;D
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Willclean-Cleaning-Services/239776079410974
I did but wouldnt show a like button to fitz2kleen so had to switch to my real name.  :o :o
Thanks,
I have no idea about this "like" business, but it could be that we had already liked you.....anyone know if that is right?
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Barry Livingstone on November 16, 2011, 05:31:15 pm
Am I missing something with marketing these days? What's the point of your facebook page just being full of carpet cleaners?

I'd have thought it was a mean to interact with Customers, to entice them to get others to LIKE your page, thus creating an online data base of potential Prospects?

I can Understand why suppliers on this want you on there's!!!!
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: fitz2kleen on November 16, 2011, 06:21:28 pm
its a means of sharing information and ideas among like minded people in your chosen industry.
professionals in a given trade are more likely to interact with other professionals than your jack the lad fly by night guy with a vax machine who is just in it for the beer money.
its all about perception and educating the public in the difference between the two!
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on November 30, 2011, 06:09:28 pm
Hey guys i just wanted to share this with you regarding facebook. I noticed a few were struggling and needing some help to get likes on your facebook page and i know how hard it can be as when there isnt many likes on a Fan page its hard to get other people to like the page.

If any of you are interested i know how to get at least 350 likes sometimes more on your facebook fan page. These likes will be from people in the UK and US but you need to understand that these initial likes may or may not be interested in your services .

The whole purpose of this exercise is about social proof so that other people who are interested in your services want to join your page.  

Its kind of like this senario. Two nightclubs are in the city center. One looks quiet while the other has a huge queue outside. Which one – besides queuing – would you prefer to be inside?

Thats why when you only have 20 or 50 likes on your page its very difficult to grow the page quickly but the more people who like you the easier it becomes and it snowballs from there and becomes easier to get more people. Thats why you see a lot of business fan pages that never grow much bigger than 50-100 likes.

If any of you would be interested let me know your thoughts on it and i will see if i can help you



Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Robert Watson on November 30, 2011, 06:17:45 pm
Hi Scott. There`s a few things I think you could help me with. I`ll give you a bell soon.
Cheers
Rab.
PS Your not allowed to charge for stuff on here. You`ll get chucked oot  ;)
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on November 30, 2011, 06:31:14 pm
No probs Rab give me call anytime.

Sorry I didnt mean to flout any forum rules btw was really just trying to offer some help if anyone stuggling to get likes on there fan page i certainly dont want to get banned, offend anyone or break any rules  :-[
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: fitz2kleen on November 30, 2011, 06:42:53 pm

Some of you may know that i have a Web design Seo business dealing with all this kind of stuff everyday long.

If any of you are interested i can provide a really cheap service that i can guarentee you at least 350 likes sometimes more on your facebook fan page. These likes will be from people in the UK and US but you need to understand that these initial likes may or may not be interested in your services .


Hmmmmmmmmm
Why do I hate SEO so called experts? is it because they rear there ugly heads in every orafice of life.
Srry fella my missus says your a C/C so i will go slightly gentle with you but..........
I feel that there are so many ppl out there that find it so easy to belittle efforts made by cash strapped small buisness's making out they can make your webb page do cart wheels and inject your buisness with 100% more buisness AND get you to front page on google for a mear finacial payment.
I have had a so called professional build me a webb page that was launched last year and has done little to nothing for my buisness.
I have a great missus ( dont let her know Ive said that mind) who has over the past 4 years chopped and changed our webb site to what we have now AND got it on front page of google all for very little expense.
basically what im getting at is if you have the ability to do something ,do it yourself.
If you need the help of an expert then like we all do we go find one.
Scott i know your just letting people know you have another string  to your bow but why would anyone want to have likes from strings of people on there facebook who when they realise they didnt actually add will probley complain that they have been force added which could lead to the facebook account being removed and why would a U.K based buisness want likes from the U.S? theres gains for doing this? me personally think
this is black hat marketing and a very dodgey way to go about things,also will get u penalised if caught.
 
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on November 30, 2011, 06:57:31 pm
No disrespect but i sounds like to me you have had a bad experiance with these "So Called SEO Experts " as you put it.

Im a small business just like you so i understand totally but i think you are tarring me with the same brush as your so called seo expert proffesional.

I have loads of satisfied customers that i have ranked high in the search engines  and they do get buisness from there websites everyday. In fact for some of my clients this is the only place they get there business.

Let me tell you Building websites and SEO are 2 different things, and this is where the problems start. Most of these people out there building websites have no idea about SEO or keyword research. So when there so called expert builds them a website for £100 and they get no business and they wonder why. These are usually the same business owners building free websites and wondering why they dont get any business.

Like you say if you can do something do it your self but most business owners i have come accross learning about SEO, PPC, Facebook advertising, Google Places, CPA and general internet marketing is a way to specialised subject so if your wife can do all that then hats of to you.

As you say its only taken her 4 years to get you on the first page. I can usually get a website on the first page in 1-3 months there is the difference.

Regarding your comments on Facebook if you read my post you will see i did explain its about social proof but obviously that bit passed you over. There is nothing black hat about it grey hat maybe.

These are genuine people and will not get your facebook page banned in any way.

Anyway im not really here to argue with people I was only trying to help on the forum but i respect your opinion, but i would appreciate if you didnt tar me with the same brush because of a bad experiance you have had in the past.



 





Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: fitz2kleen on November 30, 2011, 07:49:14 pm
I dont think I put websites and SEO's in the same bracket ,I just mentioned both in the same post.
I didnt say it took 4 yrs to get on front page,I said over 4 yrs its been chopped and changed.
the part where SEO and web builders are the same is they both promise the world AT A PRICE!!!!!!! when people can take time out and do it themselves.
The idea of likes on facebook is that you personally add/like people yourself, if you are adding people in mass as you say you can then thats blackhat fella,dressed up how you want.
AND yup It wasnt a post to tar and feather but like all forums a space to air my view.
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on December 01, 2011, 10:06:19 am
hey your exactly right i have to agree with you a forum is for airing your views and its also to help people that was all i offered. A forum isnt really to have a personal attack on others because of some bad experiance you have had in the past!!!! fella.

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Why do I hate SEO so called experts? is it because they rear there ugly heads in every orafice of life.
Srry fella my missus says your a C/C so i will go slightly gentle with you but..........

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the part where SEO and web builders are the same is they both promise the world AT A PRICE!!!!!!! when people can take time out and do it themselves.

You could apply this nonsense in any walk of life just because someone hires a rug doctor and can push a wand over a floor does not make them a carpet cleaning expert, in the same way that someone who can change a bulb on their car does not make them a mechanic or someone can wire a plug it does not make them an electrician.

Yes people can learn to do things themselves and i love to see business owners take an interest in the internet side of there business and try things themselves because believe me there is plenty who dont.  And like any business there is things you can do yourself if

A:  you got time on your hands to learn

B You can find someone to show you

Thats why i am part of forums to offer some help when and where i can from the knowlage i have from that buisness its certainly not as you put it
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scott i know your just letting people know you have another string  to your bow
.

Because the internet changes at such great pace what worked 3 months ago does not always work now as internet marketing is such a vast subject and requires a lot of trial and error plus money to test things.

On a closing note to let you know your website isnt optimised at all. The reason your on page one of google for the search term carpet cleaning coventry is because your Google Places Listing is slightly better optimised through luck and nothing else than your competitiors and even the top 2 are not really doing anything special. If your Google places listing was fully optimised plus your website then you would be in position 1 instead of position 3-4 but im sure as you said "you can do it yourself" if you have expertise in Google Places Optimisation!!!!

But what would a
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so called experts
like me know ......


Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Helen on December 01, 2011, 12:08:24 pm
Scott, just because I like to have a "nose" at things, when you click on website on your profile it goes to a blank page. :)
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Billy Russell on December 01, 2011, 01:24:06 pm
theres his website!

http://carpet-cleaning-fife.com/

looks quite nice i think!!
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on December 01, 2011, 01:31:30 pm
Hi Billy

You beat me to it i dont know why the link wasnt working but im sure it is now as ive just checked it.

Glad you like it i appreciate your comments. That website is brand new straight out the box so to speak it was only indexed by Google 3 days ago so there is a bit of work to be done on it to get it to rank properly for the correct keywords etc but that will take a few months or so.

There you go Helen have a good nosy around and id be glad to hear your comments or feedback  ;)





Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Mike Halliday on December 01, 2011, 03:18:17 pm
I always like the phrase surprisingly affordable just shows great mind think alike ;)
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on December 01, 2011, 04:35:55 pm
Haha Mike I see what you mean Great minds indeed  :)Nice website by the way love the branding with giraffe etc def stands out certainly one your clients will remember
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Helen on December 01, 2011, 04:58:27 pm
I always like the phrase surprisingly affordable just shows great mind think alike ;)

I like it even better, when said to me at quote stage ;D
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Helen on December 01, 2011, 05:03:10 pm
Hi Billy

You beat me to it i dont know why the link wasnt working but im sure it is now as ive just checked it.

Glad you like it i appreciate your comments. That website is brand new straight out the box so to speak it was only indexed by Google 3 days ago so there is a bit of work to be done on it to get it to rank properly for the correct keywords etc but that will take a few months or so.

There you go Helen have a good nosy around and id be glad to hear your comments or feedback  ;)



Had me sneaky beak around thanks ;D
Nice!! you can tell it's brand new as it still looks fresh ;D

Just an observation as it is a no no in our area, you don't have landline contact.
Around here if there is just a mobile contact, people get suspicious, but that's the snobby south for you ;D

You could do with before and afters in your pictures(maybe I missed them) as it all looks too new if you see what I mean.
Saying that, how many people go in to the body of a website when they search? it is there to keep your ranking up :)

Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: JandS on December 01, 2011, 07:29:03 pm
SEO expert tells me he can put me at number 1
on Google.
Same SEO told cc 4 miles away the day before
he could do the same for him.
He took it up I didn't.
If I had who would be at number 1.
Think something fishy going on, can't have a joint 1.

John
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: AshWhite on December 01, 2011, 08:45:59 pm
SEO expert tells me he can put me at number 1
on Google.
Same SEO told cc 4 miles away the day before
he could do the same for him.
He took it up I didn't.
If I had who would be at number 1.
Think something fishy going on, can't have a joint 1.

John

Were you cold called by any chance?
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on December 01, 2011, 10:49:05 pm
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Had me sneaky beak around thanks
Nice!! you can tell it's brand new as it still looks fresh

Just an observation as it is a no no in our area, you don't have landline contact.
Around here if there is just a mobile contact, people get suspicious, but that's the snobby south for you

Hi Helen glad you enjoyed looking around it and thanks for your comments you are prob right about the things you mentioned

The reason for the mobile is really for 2 reasons my main business is the web design seo stuff the carpet cleaning business is something I'm partners with a friend but he tends to do all carpet cleaning but when I built site I wanted to test where the calls were comming from so all online stuff comes to my mobile and all offline stuff goes to his office number. That way I can keep track of what's working online and what's not as if all the calls just went to him he wouldnt remember what came from where.

The other reason for the mobile number online is because we did a small test and found that a lot of the local carpet cleaning businesses with landline phone numbers were never there to answer there phones daytime, when you call because they are either out doing carpet cleans and not diverted there phones.

I've found with certain business sectors  through testing with various different clients that when your in a niche where people want things done immediately ie like carpet cleaning, plumbers, electrician, locksmith type businesses mobile does not really put them off calling you in the domestic sector . Commercial sector it can def make a difference maybe its just the area im in i dont know as ive not tested that theory nationwide, but I'm just testing stuff at moment once I have all the stats we prob decide wether to make it landline mobile or maybe both

Your prob right about the pictures needing to be before and after but to be honest when i build sites the main objective i always work too is getting people to pick up the phone and call i dont really want them spending to long looking at pictures if i can help it i know this might sound silly but i try to use pictures that are bit bland and hopefully wont have them spend to much time on them, and i dont make the pictures clickable so they are forced to do something else Once they got all the information ie like hopefulky pick up the phone but i know what you mean and you are def right about a lot of people dont even go through the site hence why youll noitice all the information they need is above the fold ie what we do and how can they get on touch. Once I get enough data to figure out how people are travelling through the site I'll know better what the people are up to.

Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: fitz2kleen on December 01, 2011, 11:02:13 pm
scott i have a c/c round my area with your attitude

I love your attitude as i do his
He has made me loads
And bulked my client data base no end
you sound like a spoilt boy, just because a comment has been made about SEO's you jump to there defence, is that because you use the same tactics they do?
his attitude is ' my way or the highway'
well your already in the highlands :)
bless.
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on December 01, 2011, 11:24:05 pm
Hi Marc

I def not a spoiled boy but I try educate myself and i can tell you fife is nowwhere near the highlands. Its as near to the highlands as Coventry is to London And would be the same as me calling you a cockney.

I may be partners maybe more of a silent partner in a carpet cleaning business but my core business and always will be is seo, Internet marketing and web design. That's what I do day in and day out to make a living. I'll be the first to admit I know far more about that topic than I do about carpet cleaning but that's why I'm on here to learn more about the carpet cleaning business from people that do and in the process if I can give something back with my specialist knowlage ie seo web design then I will.

As the saying goes don't judge a book by its cover. I just thought your comments were a bit personal since you know nothing about me or my credentials and you were basing your facts around some bad experience you had in past.

 I don't know what you mean the same as their tactics ??  

But hey there is no harm done and no hard feelings but it's so called seo experts like the one you mention that give the rest of us a bad name. Next time ask to see proof then you won't get done.






Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Art on December 02, 2011, 12:54:12 am
Hi Marc

I def not a spoiled boy but I try educate myself and i can tell you fife is nowwhere near the highlands. Its as near to the highlands as Coventry is to London And would be the same as me calling you a cockney.

I may be partners maybe more of a silent partner in a carpet cleaning business but my core business and always will be is seo, Internet marketing and web design. That's what I do day in and day out to make a living. I'll be the first to admit I know far more about that topic than I do about carpet cleaning but that's why I'm on here to learn more about the carpet cleaning business from people that do and in the process if I can give something back with my specialist knowlage ie seo web design then I will.

As the saying goes don't judge a book by its cover I just thought your comments were a bit personal since you know nothing about me or my credentials and you were basing your facts around some bad experience you had in past.

 I don't know what you mean the same as their tactics ??  

But hey there is no harm done and no hard feelings but it's so called seo experts like the one you mention that give the rest of us a bad name. Next time ask to see proof then you won't get done.









So can you produce a list of happy clients who have used your service?
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on December 02, 2011, 01:58:46 am
Hi art

For anyone who genuinely wants to use my services then after discussing what they want me to do for them and if they are genuine then I can show them proof and results  if they wish.

Obviously as I'm sure you will appreciate for client confidentiality I'm not going to plaster my clients all over some forum to prove a point as that wouldn't be right as I'm sure you would appreciate being a business owner.





Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Jim_77 on December 02, 2011, 02:00:17 am
Scott,

Are you sure that all of the photos on your website are free to use, and are not subject to copyright from other organisations?
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on December 02, 2011, 02:14:33 am
The pics on the website come from royalty free image sites so yes you will see some of these pics on other websites as they can be used by others also
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Helen on December 02, 2011, 07:29:35 am
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Had me sneaky beak around thanks
Nice!! you can tell it's brand new as it still looks fresh

Just an observation as it is a no no in our area, you don't have landline contact.
Around here if there is just a mobile contact, people get suspicious, but that's the snobby south for you

Hi Helen glad you enjoyed looking around it and thanks for your comments you are prob right about the things you mentioned

The reason for the mobile is really for 2 reasons my main business is the web design seo stuff the carpet cleaning business is something I'm partners with a friend but he tends to do all carpet cleaning but when I built site I wanted to test where the calls were comming from so all online stuff comes to my mobile and all offline stuff goes to his office number. That way I can keep track of what's working online and what's not as if all the calls just went to him he wouldnt remember what came from where.

The other reason for the mobile number online is because we did a small test and found that a lot of the local carpet cleaning businesses with landline phone numbers were never there to answer there phones daytime, when you call because they are either out doing carpet cleans and not diverted there phones.

I've found with certain business sectors  through testing with various different clients that when your in a niche where people want things done immediately ie like carpet cleaning, plumbers, electrician, locksmith type businesses mobile does not really put them off calling you in the domestic sector . Commercial sector it can def make a difference maybe its just the area im in i dont know as ive not tested that theory nationwide, but I'm just testing stuff at moment once I have all the stats we prob decide wether to make it landline mobile or maybe both

Your prob right about the pictures needing to be before and after but to be honest when i build sites the main objective i always work too is getting people to pick up the phone and call i dont really want them spending to long looking at pictures if i can help it i know this might sound silly but i try to use pictures that are bit bland and hopefully wont have them spend to much time on them, and i dont make the pictures clickable so they are forced to do something else Once they got all the information ie like hopefulky pick up the phone but i know what you mean and you are def right about a lot of people dont even go through the site hence why youll noitice all the information they need is above the fold ie what we do and how can they get on touch. Once I get enough data to figure out how people are travelling through the site I'll know better what the people are up to.



It was just observations not critique. Can't understand people who don't divert lines when out but hey ho each to their own.
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: Scott Fraser on December 02, 2011, 08:21:25 am
Hi Helen hey I know you wernt criticising dont worry I was bored last night and was needin a break inbeteeen stuff I prob got carried away with that reply lol

I couldn't believe it as well people not diverting phones just shows you though
Title: Re: Facebook
Post by: garry22 on December 04, 2011, 01:03:00 pm
Marc,

I'm not going to belittle your efforts and I can understand your annoyance at cold calling, SEO "experts". The very fact they are cold calling should tell you something.

I refuse to take on carpet cleaners as clients because financially, it is not worth it considering the amount of work involved. Compare that to say, a cosmetic dentist or surgeon (for whom one client could be worth several thousand pounds) and you can see why.

If you are cold called (OK, there may be the odd exception), the person is either not good enough or sees carpet cleaners as "thickies" who can be conned. Most I would say, fall into the latter category.

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I feel that there are so many ppl out there that find it so easy to belittle efforts made by cash strapped small buisness's making out they can make your webb page do cart wheels and inject your buisness with 100% more buisness AND get you to front page on google for a mear finacial payment.
I have had a so called professional build me a webb page that was launched last year and has done little to nothing for my buisness.
I have a great missus ( dont let her know Ive said that mind) who has over the past 4 years chopped and changed our webb site to what we have now AND got it on front page of google all for very little expense.
basically what im getting at is if you have the ability to do something ,do it yourself.

As for yourself, sooner or later you have a decision to make.

You have to decide whether you are going to take web marketing seriously or carry on as you are. It all depends on how much of your business is dependent on the web.

There's nothing wrong with what you are doing per se. Just be aware that there is a world of difference between playing with websites and web marketing in very competitive markets.