Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: daniel worgan on October 29, 2011, 11:47:11 am
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kev@cleanerbrighterwindowcleaners
Sad i maybe,sad that you are probably going to be working your bollox off for 20% of your normal charges....
However jelous i am definatly not.How could i possibly be jelous of someone who is going to be working their nuts off for nothing.
I have been in business long enough to realise that anyone who is offering to do work for 80% less than their normal charge is either very stupid or clutching at straws to make money.
How many times do we hear of newbies making the mistake of underpricing work just to get a foot in the door.....ring a bell
So sad i maybe,but jelousy doesn't even come into the equation....... ;D ;D ;D
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i agree mate.
my advice would be to go on a canvassing and leaflet spree and price your own work up if you have nt enough work.
it beggars belief that some of you dont want to work extra hard to get a good established business together.
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1 I have a established round
2 I have a canvassing and marketing business.
3 I will have more vans on the road next year.
4 I've said from the start its,about the long game.
5 my prices are higher than anyone in my area.
6 I will be getting 12 quid a house.
7 stuff the lot of you as I will not share the successful results on here because 90 % of people are bitchy little kids.
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if you ve got all that going for you then why on earth would you want to get groupon involved?surely your doing well as you are!!!
im certainly not bitchy!i wish you all the best for your business in the future!
regards
dazmond
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1 I have a established round
2 I have a canvassing and marketing business.
3 I will have more vans on the road next year.
4 I've said from the start its,about the long game.
5 my prices are higher than anyone in my area.
6 I will be getting 12 quid a house.
7 stuff the lot of you as I will not share the successful results on here because 90 % of people are bitchy little kids.
You wouldn't have shared the true reflection of the results anyway.
So you reckon you will be getting £12 per house,so that makes each house you do normally £60.....and thats according to your previous post percentages..... ;D ;D ;D
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1 I have a established round
2 I have a canvassing and marketing business.
3 I will have more vans on the road next year.
4 I've said from the start its,about the long game.
5 my prices are higher than anyone in my area.
6 I will be getting 12 quid a house.
7 stuff the lot of you as I will not share the successful results on here because 90 % of people are bitchy little kids.
You wouldn't have shared the true reflection of the results anyway.
So you reckon you will be getting £12 per house,so that makes each house you do normally £60.....and thats according to your previous post percentages..... ;D ;D ;D
Yes I would have shared the results honestly and openly and yes would normally charge 60.
It's a experiment that I have 7 months to do and will do weekends only at first.
More exposure,publicity etc.
Next year the plan is to hang the pole up to concentrate on the marketing side.
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if you ve got all that going for you then why on earth would you want to get groupon involved?surely your doing well as you are!!!
im certainly not bitchy!i wish you all the best for your business in the future!
regards
dazmond
Daz didn't mean you pal as you are a genuine and decent person.
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Kev, just out of interest, you said that you had spoken with a couple of other window cleaners that have used Groupon. What was their results?
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Kev, just out of interest, you said that you had spoken with a couple of other window cleaners that have used Groupon. What was their results?
The last one i spoke to do had only done 50 cleans but 10 had gone regular and he had quoted the rest but wasn't sure what they were doing regarding regular etc but also said he gained driveway cleaning and gutter cleaning!
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Thanks. Would you be happy with that result?
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if i get 20 regulars plus from the 200 i will be happy mixed with a few gutter cleans and driveway cleans.
Ill also have the other 180 contact details to try at a later date aswell!Also there neighbours friends and family!
cheers
Thanks. Would you be happy with that result?
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Kev, calm down, what you do in your business is up to you, others are just airing their opinion and are entitled to do so. :)
I have to admit that it does confuse me that you consider doing a groupon when you say you have a canvassing and marketing business. Why not put the effort into that rather than into "less" profitable work?
Yes I understand how Groupon works and forgetting the lesser paid work at the moment if done well it can/maybe bring you in a very quick database. Only time will tell how it works out for you.
Unfortunatley on the down side, Groupn, living social and suchlike are only interested in making money for themselves and have no idea of the sectors and how they perfom in the outside world and the idea of these discounts only de-value the industries that many have strived to build up. :)
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if i get 20 regulars plus from the 200 i will be happy mixed with a few gutter cleans and driveway cleans.
Ill also have the other 180 contact details to try at a later date aswell!Also there neighbours friends and family!
cheers
Thanks. Would you be happy with that result?
Surely you mean THEIR........ ;D ;D
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Kev, calm down, what you do in your business is up to you, others are just airing their opinion and are entitled to do so. :)
I have to admit that it does confuse me that you consider doing a groupon when you say you have a canvassing and marketing business. Why not put the effort into that rather than into "less" profitable work?
Yes I understand how Groupon works and forgetting the lesser paid work at the moment if done well it can/maybe bring you in a very quick database. Only time will tell how it works out for you.
Unfortunatley on the down side, Groupn, living social and suchlike are only interested in making money for themselves and have no idea of the sectors and how they perfom in the outside world and the idea of these discounts only de-value the industries that many have strived to build up. :)
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Spot on, Helen.
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I used groupon i charged 1000 pound a house got 2 customers and extra 2000 pound extras cutters and replcing tiles but the old dear could only draw 300 pound out of the tm machine so i had to take them to the bank to withdraw the rest of the cash the tiller looked at me, i just said im a freind and making sure nobody mugs the old dear ;D.
BUMPER
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if i get 20 regulars plus from the 200 i will be happy mixed with a few gutter cleans and driveway cleans.
Ill also have the other 180 contact details to try at a later date aswell!Also there neighbours friends and family!
cheers
Thanks. Would you be happy with that result?
Surely you mean THEIR........ ;D ;D
lol i applaud you back ;) ;) :-* :-*
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I used groupon i charged 1000 pound a house got 2 customers and extra 2000 pound extras cutters and replcing tiles but the old dear could only draw 300 pound out of the tm machine so i had to take them to the bank to withdraw the rest of the cash the tiller looked at me, i just said im a freind and making sure nobody mugs the old dear ;D.
BUMPER
Bumper come and work for me!
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I like old dears cos when they ask you after tea and biscuites have i paid you i say no, but she had paid me tho,no you not paid love and its double this time,i sure i paid you last time,no love its double 20 pound happy days , i like the ones who suffer from Dimension,you can screw them for loads of cash,but if i get caught again ill go to prison ;D
happydays BUMPER
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It`s been said by a few that it`s better to spend time canvassing etc.
To get better profile/ priced work.
The snag with canvassing is the hours ya spend knocking,then following
That up etc.and not get a bean.At least with Groupon ya earning something
Which is better than nothing I suppose.
It`s true what Helen wrote,it does devalue our business.
I personally don`t think these Groupon type `threads`will ever cease,gee whiz
There`s been loads.
If there was a way,everyone would be doing it,it`s what makes the world go
Around I guess. ::) 8) :o ;D :D
Lewis Doubtfire
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I like old dears cos when they ask you after tea and biscuites have i paid you i say no, but she had paid me tho,no you not paid love and its double this time,i sure i paid you last time,no love its double 20 pound happy days , i like the ones who suffer from Dimension,you can screw them for loads of cash,but if i get caught again ill go to prison ;D
happydays BUMPER
quality m8 lol ;D
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1 I have a established round
2 I have a canvassing and marketing business.
3 I will have more vans on the road next year.
4 I've said from the start its,about the long game.
5 my prices are higher than anyone in my area.
6 I will be getting 12 quid a house.
7 stuff the lot of you as I will not share the successful results on here because 90 % of people are bitchy little kids.
You wouldn't have shared the true reflection of the results anyway.
So you reckon you will be getting £12 per house,so that makes each house you do normally £60.....and thats according to your previous post percentages..... ;D ;D ;D
Yes I would have shared the results honestly and openly and yes would normally charge 60.
It's a experiment that I have 7 months to do and will do weekends only at first.
More exposure,publicity etc.
Next year the plan is to hang the pole up to concentrate on the marketing side.
So is it your marketing business that has decided you should work for basically nowt every weekend for the next 7 months to gain some exposure? Your shooting through. You`ll be hanging up the pole alright as you`ll be sick as f...
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Im going to keep my mouth shut, even though I dont want to ;D
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Im going to keep my mouth shut, even though I dont want to ;D
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awwwwwwwwww go on, you can't keep it in, it will burn you up if you don't get it off yer chest ;D
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The snag with canvassing is the hours ya spend knocking,then following
That up etc.and not get a bean.
I'm surprised to hear that sort of thing from you :) You get nothing in this life unless you work for it
Which is better than nothing I suppose.
No it isn't, if you get it wrong you will be working at a loss
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Kev, calm down, what you do in your business is up to you, others are just airing their opinion and are entitled to do so. :)
I have to admit that it does confuse me that you consider doing a groupon when you say you have a canvassing and marketing business. Why not put the effort into that rather than into "less" profitable work?
Yes I understand how Groupon works and forgetting the lesser paid work at the moment if done well it can/maybe bring you in a very quick database. Only time will tell how it works out for you.
Unfortunatley on the down side, Groupn, living social and suchlike are only interested in making money for themselves and have no idea of the sectors and how they perfom in the outside world and the idea of these discounts only de-value the industries that many have strived to build up. :)
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Spot on, Helen.
;D ;D ;D
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Im going to keep my mouth shut, even though I dont want to ;D
just spit it out man ;D don't hold back
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Im going to keep my mouth shut, even though I dont want to ;D
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awwwwwwwwww go on, you can't keep it in, it will burn you up if you don't get it off yer chest ;D
In a while maybe ;D
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i personally thinks its a bad idea
but best of luck with it,i hope it turns out to be
a success for you
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loves the two faced people on here,but you know what to all the low life two faced twats do one!
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loves the two faced people on here,but you know what to all the low life two faced twats do one!
why do you always take things personally? you put up an idea for debate and when the debate doesn't go your way everyone is against you, they aren't they just think the idea is pointless, it is nothing personal. I happen to agree with them that it is a pointless idea but good luck with it anyway
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loves the two faced people on here,but you know what to all the low life two faced twats do one!
oooo'er missus go and take a chill pill ;D ;D
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loves the two faced people on here,but you know what to all the low life two faced twats do one!
Kevin, why do you say they are two faced?
Have they said something on one occassion and something that contradicts that on a different occassion?
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i've said all im going to say on the matter!
i will not be mentioning groupon on here again!
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kev
whats groupon ?
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Apologies for the maths, but if you can keep your attention all the way through, I think it adds to the debate.
So, looking at it mathematically (my preferred option as my accountant uses it for my accounts).
200 customers with jobs at £100 each (nominal value £20,000) that I'm doing for £20 nets me £4,000, so I have effectively spent about £16,000 to get them.
I prefer to turn it on its head.
If I spend £16,000 on leafletting, how many customers at £100 could I get (assuming £100 is competitive in the area I'm attacking)?
Well in my world, including solus delivery, a very high quality leaflet costs just under 8p. Let's round it up to the full 8p. So, I could send out 200,000 leaflets. A 0.4% return (again, I am assuming that the £100 is reasonable) would give me 800 customers, so £80,000 of business. Put it this way, instead of spending 80% of the return on getting the customer, I'd be spending 20%.
And those would all be customers who were happy to pay £100 the first time, so I wouldn't be be expecting only 20% of them to become regulars; if they are happy the first time, they should be the second.
Just running through my logic. I also accept there are some fairly heroic assumptions about market size, etc, in there, but the whole thing could be scaled down to be more reasonable. Do point out any mathematical errors (I make plenty).
I genuinely hope it works out but it does look extremely expensive from where I'm sitting.
And apologies if this makes me two-faced, but I prefer to say the numbers are talking, not me.
Vin
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I like old dears cos when they ask you after tea and biscuites have i paid you i say no, but she had paid me tho,no you not paid love and its double this time,i sure i paid you last time,no love its double 20 pound happy days , i like the ones who suffer from Dimension,you can screw them for loads of cash,but if i get caught again ill go to prison ;D
happydays BUMPER
please tell me you're joking!?
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Groupon have a revenue of $312.9 Million. All off the backs of other hard working businesses who 90 percent arnt either turning a profit, or are very small proftits less than 500k per year.
They are nothing more than leeches, they latch onto your business, de value your market, and throw you the remaining crumbs.
Only ones that benefit from this is Groupon.