Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: monkeyboy950 on July 09, 2011, 08:59:33 am
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In next month or two I'm going to be replacing my predator pole and brodex 30ft pole,was looking to get a 25ft and a 40+ foot one,wanting to expand my business was also going to get a guter vac but think I should concentrate on the windows and building that up,a lot of trad workers here so they only do 2nd level stuff I obviously can do higher so a lighter pole with bigger reach would help,so are gardiners really that good or stick with brodex
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are gardiners really that good
YES
or stick with brodex
Would you go back to a horse & cart or prefer a van? ;D
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Lol,I have been reading up and they do seem the business the clamps issue appears to be better,what u reccomend for the heights I'm talking ??
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I wouldn't buy another make of pole, I've never had a problem with them.
Simon.
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Over the years i have had loads of diferent makes of poles.
I now use Gardiners and unless someone brings out a pole which does the work for me I cant see me changing anytime soon
They may have few small issues with clamps but thats a small problem to put up with for the quality
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once you buy a gardiners pole you wont go back to brodex/fibreglass poles as their just too heavy and cumbersome after using a gardiners one.
they are so much more user friendly and will cut down the amount of strain throughout your working day.also with an aqua-daptor fitted as well(just my opinion)youll speed up and finish work quicker.
ive got a hydra alloy 25footer.seems like a goodish pole but its damn heavy compared to the 25FT SLX.
SLX is the king of poles for domestics.the clx a close second if you want a cheap budget pole.
regards
dazmond
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In next month or two I'm going to be replacing my predator pole and brodex 30ft pole,was looking to get a 25ft and a 40+ foot one,wanting to expand my business was also going to get a guter vac but think I should concentrate on the windows and building that up,a lot of trad workers here so they only do 2nd level stuff I obviously can do higher so a lighter pole with bigger reach would help,so are gardiners really that good or stick with brodex
there not your only choice these days
elite poles are similar but better priced
someone is bringing out a new pole posted on here a few days ago
tecbuk are releasing a pole shortly
ionic new range are up to date as well, but expensive
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i have had a gardiners clx 22 and i have had problems, mainly the glue, i was disappointed in it but i think i had high hopes of what it would be like ie weight, as i never found the xtel heavy, but every one said that the clx was a feather comapre to the xtel, but saying that i would buy an other one as it is light enough to use all day and in the price range i would pay
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In next month or two I'm going to be replacing my predator pole and brodex 30ft pole,was looking to get a 25ft and a 40+ foot one,wanting to expand my business was also going to get a guter vac but think I should concentrate on the windows and building that up,a lot of trad workers here so they only do 2nd level stuff I obviously can do higher so a lighter pole with bigger reach would help,so are gardiners really that good or stick with brodex
there not your only choice these days
elite poles are similar but better priced
someone is bringing out a new pole posted on here a few days ago
tecbuk are releasing a pole shortly
ionic new range are up to date as well, but expensive
Wow Alex. That is actually a helpful post without slating gardiners, well done, good work.
;D
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once you buy a gardiners pole you wont go back to brodex/fibreglass poles as their just too heavy and cumbersome after using a gardiners one.
they are so much more user friendly and will cut down the amount of strain throughout your working day.also with an aqua-daptor fitted as well(just my opinion)youll speed up and finish work quicker.
ive got a hydra alloy 25footer.seems like a goodish pole but its damn heavy compared to the 25FT SLX.
SLX is the king of poles for domestics.the clx a close second if you want a cheap budget pole.
regards
dazmond
how does the AD speed work up daz? i can see it'll cut down water but... ???
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alex elite poles are heavier and the ionic poles are more expensive for the 50% carbon fibre ones.i dont like ionics so they will never get my business.rip off merchants in my book!
maybe id be interested in the tecbuc poles but im not sure as you work for them dont you?and i dont like you really.i think your attitude stinks and its bang out of order at times.
gardiners will become even more successful and once they sort there availability issues out i can see them going from strength to strength.
regards
dazmond
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In next month or two I'm going to be replacing my predator pole and brodex 30ft pole,was looking to get a 25ft and a 40+ foot one,wanting to expand my business was also going to get a guter vac but think I should concentrate on the windows and building that up,a lot of trad workers here so they only do 2nd level stuff I obviously can do higher so a lighter pole with bigger reach would help,so are gardiners really that good or stick with brodex
there not your only choice these days
elite poles are similar but better priced
someone is bringing out a new pole posted on here a few days ago
tecbuk are releasing a pole shortly
ionic new range are up to date as well, but expensive
Wow Alex. That is actually a helpful post without slating gardiners, well done, good work.
;D
Wow thanks Lee
but most of my post dont slate gardiners
there just not in favour and a little more balanced
I actually have more post with me and with alex g agreeing with each other
than I do with his fans ;D
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The elite poles are better to use than the gardiners there is only a small Difference in weight.
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So a slx22 and a Smax45 should be good enough for what I need
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In next month or two I'm going to be replacing my predator pole and brodex 30ft pole,was looking to get a 25ft and a 40+ foot one,wanting to expand my business was also going to get a guter vac but think I should concentrate on the windows and building that up,a lot of trad workers here so they only do 2nd level stuff I obviously can do higher so a lighter pole with bigger reach would help,so are gardiners really that good or stick with brodex
there not your only choice these days
elite poles are similar but better priced
someone is bringing out a new pole posted on here a few days ago
tecbuk are releasing a pole shortly
ionic new range are up to date as well, but expensive
Wow Alex. That is actually a helpful post without slating gardiners, well done, good work.
;D
Wow thanks Lee
but most of my post dont slate gardiners
there just not in favour and a little more balanced
I actually have more post with me and with alex g agreeing with each other
than I do with his fans ;D
Fans!!!!
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There is only one type of pole in this world and that is GARDIER POLES. :)
LONG LIVE ALEX GARDINER
:D
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So a slx22 and a Smax45 should be good enough for what I need
Yes.
My personal preference for an all day pole is the slx25. I've used one for 4 years & it does everything from ground to 30ft with ease. After 4 years of daily abuse the top section is just about worn out now so I've ordered another. I used their SL2 modular for anything higher (which made the Facelift carbon feel like a tank) & I now use their SLXtreme 48 for high work- another world class product! ;)
I've owned or used many pole over the years including Ionics, unger, excel, Facelift, extender etc. Out of them all Gardiners are by a HUGE margin the best by far! ;)
I've not used these Elite poles, they look to be maybe the next best thing to a Gardiner pole however I'm a bit confused as to their claims of "producing" them when apparently there in another supplier now importing the same poles from China. So, my question would be- have WFPco really spent the time with R&D or are these poles just "off the shelf"?
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ive had 2 chinese companies come and see me, both offer the same type of poles as all the above, the design part is a nonsense, theres just not enough profit in poles for us to invest.
Its a pole, theres no design, if you buy a cheap ready up wardrobe from argos for when youmove house, your see a sideward clamp on it, these are a off the shelf design.
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Gardiners seem to be the innovators of the wfp industry at the moment. They were the first to bring out lateral clamps, and now others like ionic and elite have rather poor copies. Gardiners clamps take up much less space on the pole in comparison to others which means that for an equal open length the closed length is much shorter over a very long pole even using fewer sections. Gardiners poles are designed by a window cleaner that uses them each week.
I've never had a problem wi gardiners clamps coming loose although I have had problems with other manufacturers, I accept that sometimes glue will fail but it then depends how the manufacturer deals with it.
In my opinion, the best pole will be the lightest most rigid and also be hard wearing with easy to use clamps. If some one says that another pole is say 20% heavier but still better than an slx then they probably not really a window cleaner, at least not a real one.
Pro window cleaners will almost always buy the best tools rather than the be phased by price. As they realise that the pole will earn the price difference back before long. I recently went from the slx to the slx xtreme range and it's already earned it's keep.
It's good to see competition out there, but the question related to gardiners being good, in all honesty gardiners are the best.
Simon.
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In next month or two I'm going to be replacing my predator pole and brodex 30ft pole,was looking to get a 25ft and a 40+ foot one,wanting to expand my business was also going to get a guter vac but think I should concentrate on the windows and building that up,a lot of trad workers here so they only do 2nd level stuff I obviously can do higher so a lighter pole with bigger reach would help,so are gardiners really that good or stick with brodex
there not your only choice these days
elite poles are similar but better priced
someone is bringing out a new pole posted on here a few days ago
tecbuk are releasing a pole shortly
ionic new range are up to date as well, but expensive
Wow Alex. That is actually a helpful post without slating gardiners, well done, good work.
;D
Wow thanks Lee
but most of my post dont slate gardiners
there just not in favour and a little more balanced
I actually have more post with me and with alex g agreeing with each other
than I do with his fans ;D
Fans!!!!
He's starting a supporters club next week. They are installing terracing at the warehouse so that we can all cheer as they make up the packages to send out. They are even selling season tickets with a free visit to the Eden project thrown in ;D
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I'm glad you deleted that last one Craig. Best to keep it separate as we don't want everyone to kick off ;D
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... with an aqua-daptor fitted as well(just my opinion)youll speed up and finish work quicker ...
how does the AD speed work up daz? i can see it'll cut down water but... ???
Hi GB,
don't want to hijack this thread, but if you email us (sales@aqua-dapter.co.uk or use the Contact Form on the website) I can give you some info and point you to some references - no "hard sell" I promise!
Paul
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at least we have a new debate to argue over, gardiners vs elite. :) i do like my elite, although the weights listed on their website need revising. and the lengths.
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ive had 2 chinese companies come and see me, both offer the same type of poles as all the above, the design part is a nonsense, theres just not enough profit in poles for us to invest.
Its a pole, theres no design, if you buy a cheap ready up wardrobe from argos for when youmove house, your see a sideward clamp on it, these are a off the shelf design.
Craig, If it's so simple why did nobody do it before gardiners?
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at least we have a new debate to argue over, gardiners vs elite. :) i do like my elite, although the weights listed on their website need revising. and the lengths.
Are you're saying the weights and lengths are wrong?
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I'm glad you deleted that last one Craig. Best to keep it separate as we don't want everyone to kick off ;D
:o :o :o :o
what did craig say i missed that please tell :-*
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at least we have a new debate to argue over, gardiners vs elite. :) i do like my elite, although the weights listed on their website need revising. and the lengths.
Are you're saying the weights and lengths are wrong?
yeah the 40ft was actually 38ft and it was supposed to weigh 3.05kgs but was about 4kgs. still i used it for 6hrs on a commercial job and i was fine with it. not sure if gardiners are honest with their descriptions?
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not sure if gardiners are honest with their descriptions?
I've weighed my gardiner poles & they match the website figures,.. I've a CLX-27 and an SLX-18.
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ive had 2 chinese companies come and see me, both offer the same type of poles as all the above, the design part is a nonsense, theres just not enough profit in poles for us to invest.
Its a pole, theres no design, if you buy a cheap ready up wardrobe from argos for when youmove house, your see a sideward clamp on it, these are a off the shelf design.
Yeah dead right, and Aldis are selling a version of your polar vac for £67. Its all the same design.
Infact you're so smart at knowing when to invest or not that whilst Gardiners are mostly sold out of this cheap ready up design , you're having to advertise and Aldis have just undercut you !!!! ;D ;D
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I'm glad you deleted that last one Craig. Best to keep it separate as we don't want everyone to kick off ;D
:o :o :o :o
what did craig say i missed that please tell :-*
All I will say is that it was nothing disrespectful to anyone on here or anywhere else.
And that's all I'm saying :-)
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When my new employee starts in September it's probably a new SLX 22 for him! As I already have a 2 year old SLX22 (used as an 18) and a 4 year old SLX35 (run as a 30) which are still serviceable and which I am very pleased with why would I risk spending £100's on a different pole?
When someone comes on here having used for over a year a pole that is a little better, a little less expensive and just as reliable as an SLX with the attendant Gardiners support then I might think about trying another.
I'm a real cheapskate me - build my own, cobble it together repair as I go and get to work but one thing I will not compromise on is a light rigid pole which earns me far more than the extra I pay!
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if the elite poles are not the lengths or weights stated then i think that is very bad business practice IMO.gardiners are honest,friendly and the poles are exactly as stated....oh and their so light,user friendly and robust.need i say anymore!!
gardiners are the best! no question! with excellent customer service.
ill be using them for years to come thats for sure.
regards
dazmond
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at least we have a new debate to argue over, gardiners vs elite. :) i do like my elite, although the weights listed on their website need revising. and the lengths.
Are you're saying the weights and lengths are wrong?
yeah the 40ft was actually 38ft and it was supposed to weigh 3.05kgs but was about 4kgs. still i used it for 6hrs on a commercial job and i was fine with it. not sure if gardiners are honest with their descriptions?
i should mention i weighed it with a brush and 50ft of 5mm tubing, but i doubt they weigh a kilo on their own?
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ive had 2 chinese companies come and see me, both offer the same type of poles as all the above, the design part is a nonsense, theres just not enough profit in poles for us to invest.
Its a pole, theres no design, if you buy a cheap ready up wardrobe from argos for when youmove house, your see a sideward clamp on it, these are a off the shelf design.
Yeah dead right, and Aldis are selling a version of your polar vac for £67. Its all the same design.
Infact you're so smart at knowing when to invest or not that whilst Gardiners are mostly sold out of this cheap ready up design , you're having to advertise and Aldis have just undercut you !!!! ;D ;D
I think your exaggerating a tad, as they are possibly selling a wet/dry vac, if you lookat our web site your see that my wet/dry vac is the same price!
However my polarvak kit is a little different.
Theres some bittter strange folk on here, madness!
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The Chinese copy everything there are rip offs of brodex and facelift poles going
About. And there is a rip off of gardeners going about I think there called ionics ;D
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The elite poles are better to use than the gardiners there is only a small Difference in weight.
that's what i thought when i compard the two 25ft poles side by side
any small weight difference either way at this reach made no difference
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The elite poles are better to use than the gardiners there is only a small Difference in weight.
that's what i thought when i compard the two 25ft poles side by side
any small weight difference either way at this reach made no difference
The Elite25 (24.1ft actual) is 26cm shorter than the SLX25 (25ft actual) and is heavier than the SLX25 - The SLX25 is 13% lighter per extended cm than the Elite25 . From experience this weight difference is very noticeable when working with the pole. It is very easy to hold a pole up and say it is similar in weight - actually working with them will tell a very different story - fact. :)
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ive had 2 chinese companies come and see me, both offer the same type of poles as all the above, the design part is a nonsense, theres just not enough profit in poles for us to invest.
Its a pole, theres no design, if you buy a cheap ready up wardrobe from argos for when youmove house, your see a sideward clamp on it, these are a off the shelf design.
Yeah dead right, and Aldis are selling a version of your polar vac for £67. Its all the same design.
Infact you're so smart at knowing when to invest or not that whilst Gardiners are mostly sold out of this cheap ready up design , you're having to advertise and Aldis have just undercut you !!!! ;D ;D
I think your exaggerating a tad, as they are possibly selling a wet/dry vac, if you lookat our web site your see that my wet/dry vac is the same price!
However my polarvak kit is a little different.
Theres some bittter strange folk on here, madness!
There's some bitter strange folk on here is there? Well, hello !!! (as judge judy would say !!!).Point me to your 30 litre , 1500 watt wet and dry vac for £67, i can't find it.
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Oh sorry you said it was identical to mine, and mine is 1200 with 15 ltr so it's not the same then, please point me in the direction of the ALDI gutter vacuum please?
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Oh sorry you said it was identical to mine, and mine is 1200 with 15 ltr so it's not the same then, please point me in the direction of the ALDI gutter vacuum please?
llooks like another late night on the tiles again ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The elite poles are better to use than the gardiners there is only a small Difference in weight.
that's what i thought when i compard the two 25ft poles side by side
any small weight difference either way at this reach made no difference
The Elite25 (24.1ft actual) is 26cm shorter than the SLX25 (25ft actual) and is heavier than the SLX25 - The SLX25 is 13% lighter per extended cm than the Elite25 . From experience this weight difference is very noticeable when working with the pole. It is very easy to hold a pole up and say it is similar in weight - actually working with them will tell a very different story - fact. :)
you're bound to say your pole is better than the Elite Pole's; all the other manufactures do the same
i did work with both pole's and not just hold them, your right working with them was a different, not much though just a bit different and like others have posted the Elite pole felt better to use than the sl-x pole. The Elite pole actually felt better to use the longer you worked with it, it is more rigid and that may be the reason why
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The elite poles are better to use than the gardiners there is only a small Difference in weight.
that's what i thought when i compard the two 25ft poles side by side
any small weight difference either way at this reach made no difference
The Elite25 (24.1ft actual) is 26cm shorter than the SLX25 (25ft actual) and is heavier than the SLX25 - The SLX25 is 13% lighter per extended cm than the Elite25 . From experience this weight difference is very noticeable when working with the pole. It is very easy to hold a pole up and say it is similar in weight - actually working with them will tell a very different story - fact. :)
you're bound to say your pole is better than the Elite Pole's; all the other manufactures do the same
i did work with both pole's and not just hold them, your right working with them was a different, not much though just a bit different and like others have posted the Elite pole felt better to use than the sl-x pole. The Elite pole actually felt better to use the longer you worked with it, it is more rigid and that may be the reason why
What pole 'you' prefer is an individual matter - I did not say which pole was better, those are your words - what I did do was post actual facts about each pole.
'Alex.' - until you start posting under your real name unfortunately very few people will take what you say with any credibility - either as a poster or a supplier. I and several others (including CIU Admin) know exactly who you are and your supplier affiliations. When you are upfront about this , then it may be worth listening to your monumentally biased postings. ;)
I am flattered in a way though as you only came on briefly at about 2.15pm and all you did was post two 'Anti-Gardiner' posts and then quickly logged off again. Easy to see your purpose and interest though ;D
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The elite poles are better to use than the gardiners there is only a small Difference in weight.
that's what i thought when i compard the two 25ft poles side by side
any small weight difference either way at this reach made no difference
The Elite25 (24.1ft actual) is 26cm shorter than the SLX25 (25ft actual) and is heavier than the SLX25 - The SLX25 is 13% lighter per extended cm than the Elite25 . From experience this weight difference is very noticeable when working with the pole. It is very easy to hold a pole up and say it is similar in weight - actually working with them will tell a very different story - fact. :)
you're bound to say your pole is better than the Elite Pole's; all the other manufactures do the same
i did work with both pole's and not just hold them, your right working with them was a different, not much though just a bit different and like others have posted the Elite pole felt better to use than the sl-x pole. The Elite pole actually felt better to use the longer you worked with it, it is more rigid and that may be the reason why
What pole 'you' prefer is an individual matter, but facts are facts which is what I always refer to.
'Alex.' - until you start posting under your real name unfortunately very few people will take what you say with any credibility - either as a poster or a supplier. I and several others (including CIU Admin) know exactly who you are and your supplier affiliations. When you are upfront about this , then it may be worth listening to your monumentally biased postings. ;)
So Alex.
Man up and tell us all who you really are and what your connections are - I'm intrigued now. ;D
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Oh sorry you said it was identical to mine, and mine is 1200 with 15 ltr so it's not the same then, please point me in the direction of the ALDI gutter vacuum please?
I said a version of , not identical. Looks like its higher spec than yours? i got the price wrong its £64.99
http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg//SID-D5D578EF-7A0AB311/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/index_22297.htm?offerdate=&idcheck=true&ar2=&ERR=IDNOTFOUND
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The elite poles are better to use than the gardiners there is only a small Difference in weight.
that's what i thought when i compard the two 25ft poles side by side
any small weight difference either way at this reach made no difference
The Elite25 (24.1ft actual) is 26cm shorter than the SLX25 (25ft actual) and is heavier than the SLX25 - The SLX25 is 13% lighter per extended cm than the Elite25 . From experience this weight difference is very noticeable when working with the pole. It is very easy to hold a pole up and say it is similar in weight - actually working with them will tell a very different story - fact. :)
you're bound to say your pole is better than the Elite Pole's; all the other manufactures do the same
i did work with both pole's and not just hold them, your right working with them was a different, not much though just a bit different and like others have posted the Elite pole felt better to use than the sl-x pole. The Elite pole actually felt better to use the longer you worked with it, it is more rigid and that may be the reason why
What pole 'you' prefer is an individual matter, but facts are facts which is what I always refer to.
'Alex.' - until you start posting under your real name unfortunately very few people will take what you say with any credibility - either as a poster or a supplier. I and several others (including CIU Admin) know exactly who you are and your supplier affiliations. When you are upfront about this , then it may be worth listening to your monumentally biased postings. ;)
So Alex.
Man up and tell us all who you really are and what your connections are - I'm intigued now. ;D
It's not hard John & it's been going on for yonks! :-\
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Oh sorry you said it was identical to mine, and mine is 1200 with 15 ltr so it's not the same then, please point me in the direction of the ALDI gutter vacuum please?
I said a version of , not identical. Looks like its higher spec than yours? i got the price wrong its £64.99
http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg//SID-D5D578EF-7A0AB311/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/index_22297.htm?offerdate=&idcheck=true&ar2=&ERR=IDNOTFOUND
So its good for gutters that are a meter from the ground, fantastic.
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Oh sorry you said it was identical to mine, and mine is 1200 with 15 ltr so it's not the same then, please point me in the direction of the ALDI gutter vacuum please?
I said a version of , not identical. Looks like its higher spec than yours? i got the price wrong its £64.99
http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg//SID-D5D578EF-7A0AB311/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/index_22297.htm?offerdate=&idcheck=true&ar2=&ERR=IDNOTFOUND
So its good for gutters that are a meter from the ground, fantastic.
You're a funny guy Craig, quick with critiscism of other suppliers and yet nothing yourself that stands out above any of them.
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No we are a janitorial supply shop, nothing major , but very handy to contractors as we carry 60-£70000
worth of stock, for ALL types of cleaning.
I criticise cult type hype thats all, as its pretty pathetic, and i do this with my name clearly marked, unlike most who criticise me good self.
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No we are a janitorial supply shop, nothing major , but very handy to contractors as we carry 60-£70000
worth of stock, for ALL types of cleaning.
I criticise cult type hype thats all, as its pretty pathetic, and i do this with my name clearly marked, unlike most who criticise me good self.
Cult type hype? What do you mean?
Simon.
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No we are a janitorial supply shop, nothing major , but very handy to contractors as we carry 60-£70000
worth of stock, for ALL types of cleaning.
I criticise cult type hype thats all, as its pretty pathetic, and i do this with my name clearly marked, unlike most who criticise me good self.
Well I've got an array of Gardiner poles leaning against my living room wall. I drop flower petals in front of them every morning and kiss the poles before I go to work. I never take the poles out with me as they are too precious to clean windows with.
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The elite poles are better to use than the gardiners there is only a small Difference in weight.
that's what i thought when i compard the two 25ft poles side by side
any small weight difference either way at this reach made no difference
The Elite25 (24.1ft actual) is 26cm shorter than the SLX25 (25ft actual) and is heavier than the SLX25 - The SLX25 is 13% lighter per extended cm than the Elite25 . From experience this weight difference is very noticeable when working with the pole. It is very easy to hold a pole up and say it is similar in weight - actually working with them will tell a very different story - fact. :)
you're bound to say your pole is better than the Elite Pole's; all the other manufactures do the same
i did work with both pole's and not just hold them, your right working with them was a different, not much though just a bit different and like others have posted the Elite pole felt better to use than the sl-x pole. The Elite pole actually felt better to use the longer you worked with it, it is more rigid and that may be the reason why
What pole 'you' prefer is an individual matter - I did not say which pole was better, those are your words - what I did do was post actual facts about each pole.
'Alex.' - until you start posting under your real name unfortunately very few people will take what you say with any credibility - either as a poster or a supplier. I and several others (including CIU Admin) know exactly who you are and your supplier affiliations. When you are upfront about this , then it may be worth listening to your monumentally biased postings. ;)
I am flattered in a way though as you only came on briefly at about 2.15pm and all you did was post two 'Anti-Gardiner' posts and then quickly logged off again. Easy to see your purpose and interest though ;D
get over yourself Alex; the elite pole is good and its better to have more choice, but i can see how that affects you
is it credible to imply the slx is a better pole by only selecting certain facts, elite poles could do the same, they could say their poles have more carbon fibre which would mean stronger pole sections and a more rigid pole
biased posting, you of all people jump in the quickest to counter any negative comments about your pole and at the same time you knock the competition, you even ask for re-test of poles and the test has to be done how you want to be carried out, now thats what you call 'Monumentally Biased'
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The elite poles are better to use than the gardiners there is only a small Difference in weight.
that's what i thought when i compard the two 25ft poles side by side
any small weight difference either way at this reach made no difference
The Elite25 (24.1ft actual) is 26cm shorter than the SLX25 (25ft actual) and is heavier than the SLX25 - The SLX25 is 13% lighter per extended cm than the Elite25 . From experience this weight difference is very noticeable when working with the pole. It is very easy to hold a pole up and say it is similar in weight - actually working with them will tell a very different story - fact. :)
you're bound to say your pole is better than the Elite Pole's; all the other manufactures do the same
i did work with both pole's and not just hold them, your right working with them was a different, not much though just a bit different and like others have posted the Elite pole felt better to use than the sl-x pole. The Elite pole actually felt better to use the longer you worked with it, it is more rigid and that may be the reason why
What pole 'you' prefer is an individual matter - I did not say which pole was better, those are your words - what I did do was post actual facts about each pole.
'Alex.' - until you start posting under your real name unfortunately very few people will take what you say with any credibility - either as a poster or a supplier. I and several others (including CIU Admin) know exactly who you are and your supplier affiliations. When you are upfront about this , then it may be worth listening to your monumentally biased postings. ;)
I am flattered in a way though as you only came on briefly at about 2.15pm and all you did was post two 'Anti-Gardiner' posts and then quickly logged off again. Easy to see your purpose and interest though ;D
get over yourself Alex; the elite pole is good and its better to have more choice, but i can see how that affects you
is it credible to imply the slx is a better pole by only selecting certain facts, elite poles could do the same, they could say their poles have more carbon fibre which would mean stronger pole sections and a more rigid pole
biased posting, you of all people jump in the quickest to counter any negative comments about your pole and at the same time you knock the competition, you even ask for re-test of poles and the test has to be done how you want to be carried out, now thats what you call 'Monumentally Biased'
I will repeat what I posted above and you have carefully avoided addressing -
'Alex.' - until you start posting under your real name unfortunately very few people will take what you say with any credibility - either as a poster or a supplier. I and several others (including CIU Admin) know exactly who you are and your supplier affiliations. When you are upfront about this , then it may be worth listening to your monumentally biased postings. ;)
When someone hides behind a pseudonym and makes repeated targeted attacks against a specific supplier there is usually a reason - I know what the reason is, but others on this forum may not and I think it is time you were at least honest about your identity and affiliations when posting.
I notice that you have done exactly as you did yesterday and quickly logged on at lunch time and made just two posts - both 'Anti-Gardiner' posts. If I didn't know who you actually are affiliated with I would suspect that you were a 'mole' planted by my own firm in order to raise our profile ;D
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That's enough here, we have tried to contact yourself "Alex." (not Alex Gardiner) but as your email you use is false we cannot do so. We urge you to post under REAL details and observe the forum rules.
Everyone is entitiled to their opinion but we don't accept biased views to other members merely trying to help who haven't stepped out of line.
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