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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Paul H on June 01, 2011, 09:02:49 pm
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ok chaps?
straight forward pigment re colour after a bit degreasing.
By far my biggest job on leather to date ..
Just after some advice on who buys there stuff from where.....recogn i need about 2 litres matt black..
have used ltt brit colour on small work in the past....rang buffalo yesterday....impressed with their price.....has anyone used their stuff?...
also curious re others costing too(after materials)....phase 1 = 2 x small 2 seater 2 x larger 2 seater (not 3 seater size) 2 x medium size foot stools.. phase 2 (depending on outcome of phase 1) 1 x large 3 seater and 2 x arm chairs...
i wont bore you with the reason re the phases.......his n hers lounge rooms!
Thanks
Paul
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Use Buffalo as main supplier now for leather products,wouldn't get much change out of £1000
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Charged £700 for 1 chair and 2 x 2 seaters
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The finished article,got 3 suites in unit at the moment 2 full colour changes and one colour repair sick of the site of them ;)
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Top man appreciate the response..
feel free to send a suite my way... ;D
Think i'll try buffalo..... ive tested one cushion with LTT brit colour which on showing the customer has secured me the work....would you suggest or recommend continuing with same i.e britt?....
cost wise i aint a million miles away.....so happy with my cut for the work involved...
thanks
paul
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It's all about your costs cheaper to you more profit
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I think you'll find that Buffalo are geared for the DIY market rather than the professional restoration market. Give us a ring if we can help.
Cheers
Judyb
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Thats not true, they have a trade price list on request.
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Dave is correct they also have a page which directs customers to your area if you wish to go on it (under repairs in your county)
http://www.buffaloleather.co.uk/trade-pages.htm
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I realise that as I know the products they supply very well but the products they sell are all the same whether to the trade or consumer so therefore the products are geared to the DIY market.
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That's a bit conusing. I've ordered colours off them at a good price and they worked well ???
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Dave is correct they also have a page which directs customers to your area if you wish to go on it (under repairs in your county)
http://www.buffaloleather.co.uk/trade-pages.htm
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you get many referrals from this service ?
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It's only been live a couple of weeks,their products are on all my websites
Judy I don't know why you feel the need to undermine your competition in the way you always do with every supplier mentioned on here you did the same with Furniture Clinic,you don't see Restormate on here undermining Solutions on here its just not done.At the end of the day we are cleaners and don't need suppliers undermining other suppliers we can all make our own mind up.
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Just trying to help thats all. There is a big difference in the products that are out there for for leather restoration and it is important that you have the correct information.
I am not trying to undermine anyone - Jackie was one of our star pupils when we trained her.
Cheers
Judy
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Just trying to help thats all. There is a big difference in the products that are out there for for leather restoration and it is important that you have the correct information.
I am not trying to undermine anyone - Jackie was one of our star pupils when we trained her.
Cheers
Judy
They all use similar suppliers and all products are more or less the same. Its only the marketing blurb that different. A bit like Chempec saying its product are better than Prochems.
Ive been using Buffalo for about 3 years now, Jackie did not do any training with LTT rather Andy went down to Buffalo to give them a days training advice but they found that they they where not doing any thing new or different from LTT.
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Products vary enourmously in leather restoration depending on the producer as we have found when we have tested them. A few weeks ago on a corporate course some technicians came to us and used our facilities to test many of the products on the market and they could not believe the difference that there was between them which is why I try to help.
??? Strange about the training idea as we have spent some time with Jackie here also as we have with the supplier of her products. Ah well each to their own I suppose.
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Hi Judy
I know nothing about Leather Restoration and probably missing a big market but as I do not have workshop etc I have stayed clear as I do not want to do it in customers home.
But the other day I was watching Wheeler dealers and they bought in a Leather Person to restore the Leather on a roller.
All seats were out of car
He appeared to do the job using sponges
Which to me seems easier than spraying
the charge for job was £200
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Hi Ian
The car market is a huge one and we are training a lot of detailers at the moment as car interiors are becoming predominantly leather and due to the use they get the repair market is very big.
If the seats come out it is much easier but most of the time the repairs have to be done insitu because of airbags, electrics etc. Using a sponge or a roller application (as we teach) is a much better way of applying product as it creates a better adhesion with the leather which you don't get simply from spraying. Many of the products on the market cannot be applied very well in this way so have to be sprayed which limits their use. Also in a car environment overspray from an airbrush would be a major issue as it would require a huge amount of masking off so the roller application is much better for this type of work.
Good money to be had from the leather market both domestic and auto.
Cheers
Judy
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i seem to have a habit of creating chaos!
think in summary this is cost v quality issue....and personal preference on products of course..
If a product out there does the job(and does it well) and is more cost effective...and is backed up by good service too then it's a no brainer really....you then have 2 options maximise your profit or pass this onto the cutomer in an efficiency saving....
Company 1 = £49.59 1ltr pigment colour
Company 2 = £21.99 1ltr pigmnet colour
Guys on here saying both work equally well and do a good job , no complaints etc etc... so are people suggesting the more expensive one is twice as good as the less expensive.....not according to this forum by professionals conducting the work...... not the professionals selling their products...
maybe a while ago some thought they had the monopoly.....maybe not so now but still feel they can live off that past and continue to charge lots...
when you see that you can understand why there is an issue....
but then again what do i know ???
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In this sort of comparison you also have to take into account the amount of product that is used on the job.
If this is considerably less with a professional rather than a DIY product then the cost of the job is usually comparable.
The tests that were done the other week (independently by a company looking for product supply) found that the BRIT system used about a third of the product used by most other products.
We work with many professionals conducting work throughout the world so have constant feedback from them about products and their use.
There are far larger companies than the likes of ourselves, Buffalo of Furniture Clinic out there and always have been.
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i seem to have a habit of creating chaos!
think in summary this is cost v quality issue....and personal preference on products of course..
If a product out there does the job(and does it well) and is more cost effective...and is backed up by good service too then it's a no brainer really....you then have 2 options maximise your profit or pass this onto the cutomer in an efficiency saving....
Company 1 = £49.59 1ltr pigment colour
Company 2 = £21.99 1ltr pigmnet colour
Guys on here saying both work equally well and do a good job , no complaints etc etc... so are people suggesting the more expensive one is twice as good as the less expensive.....not according to this forum by professionals conducting the work...... not the professionals selling their products...
maybe a while ago some thought they had the monopoly.....maybe not so now but still feel they can live off that past and continue to charge lots...
when you see that you can understand why there is an issue....
but then again what do i know ???
Hit the nail on the head!!
The same as Furniture Clinic lost interest in the carpet cleaners using their products to concentrate on his franchise selling and the consumer after care market
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So are you saying i need 3 litres of 21.99 product to 1 litre of the britt?.....not so sure from the reports on here.....even twice as much 21.99 stuff is still a saving by my sums....
are you saying the cheap stuff is primarni and britt is Armani?
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Paul, they are all the same at the end of the day. They can come up with all the marketing blurb about dyes and pigments,etc etc but in realitynone of them are dyes they are all PAINTS and are not by law allowed to call them dyes so thats where the blurb comes in and they call then a different name like BRITT ;D for example.
Its similar to carpet cleaning chemicals called Micro Splitters ;D What is a micro splitter?
On leather ive used Buffalo for years done training with them and they are great and their product work well for the professional, ive done loads of recolouring and never had a problem.
Oh they have just bought out a great cleaning sponge and it makes light work of cleaning a really dirty suite.
Have you caused a storm. No not really. Having spent an hour reading through back pages of Judys posts I think she is the main antagonist when any thing is posted regading leather.
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A dye is a dye and a pigment is a paint.. -. no confusion there. Nothing to do with what we are allowed to call anything. BRIT is a paint that sits on the surface of the leather, ..... dyes are designed to soak into the leather - two entirely different things for two entirely different jobs.
Not all pigments are the same they vary wildly which is why some last and others don't.
BRIT is the name of the system we use that distinguishes it from others on the market.
All my posts are designed to help people but it is clear that some people just don't want to be helped.
Hope this helps ;D
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in amongst all the slava buffalo appears to be clearly the preferred choice then.... based on quality , cost and service...
thanks
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Cost and Service is easier to base our judgments on.
But how do you judge on Quality?
Roger Koh
info@leatherdoctor.com
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By using the product and seeing the results........as many have done in this post....with little or no complaints..
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By looking at a black leather sofa...
How would we know if it's:
1. Aniline
2. Semi-Aniline
or
3. Pigmented
4. Assuming we rule out the Napa Pigment, the common pigment black jacket that is as absorbent as aniline leathers.
Therefore, do we have the different quality of products to match to retain their original value?
Roger Koh
info@leatherdoctor.com
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not sure on your id roger.... but we use our identification process to identify and categorise the type of leather
I wouldn't be asking about britt / pigment re colour if it was an aniline type