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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Paul H on April 26, 2011, 02:39:39 pm

Title: Water in Water out
Post by: Paul H on April 26, 2011, 02:39:39 pm
Out of interest regarding HWE say you use 1 bucket (3 gallon / 15ltrs) when cleaning a carpet.....how much of or what is the expected level of that bucket would you be expected to extract?..
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Colin Day on April 26, 2011, 02:41:17 pm
I often ponder about that myself..... ???
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Post by: davep on April 26, 2011, 03:02:06 pm
Simples if using a porty measure what goes in and measure what you collect ???
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Post by: Colin Day on April 26, 2011, 03:08:44 pm
Simples if using a porty measure what goes in and measure what you collect ???

Ok, I know what I get, but probably like most on here, I'm always concerned that maybe I should be getting more waste water than I currently get. I'll let someone dive in and get ripped to shreds... ;D

Maybe a poll would be a good idea.... ;)
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Mike Halliday on April 26, 2011, 03:09:55 pm
I would think that you should aim for between 75%-80%

so if you are using 3 buckets on a through lounge which is 45lts then you should get at least 2 buckets out of a wool carpet and 2.5 buckets out of a man-made fibre

but this is only an educated guess
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: derek west on April 26, 2011, 03:25:15 pm
on average you should be leaving 20%-25% in wool
and 5%-10% in man made

based on the water retention of the materials. though i could be wrong.
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: clinton on April 26, 2011, 03:34:57 pm
Id go with mike n derek paul or there abouts.

You wont get all that you put in out ..
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Post by: Jamie Pearson on April 26, 2011, 03:45:10 pm
I will test this later this week.

I have a carpet that is currently outside in the industrial estate having trucks driven over it.

Gonna do a head to head video with a rug doctor and a Powr-Flite PFX.

Will measure the recovery amount for both too.
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: derek west on April 26, 2011, 04:36:21 pm
ive changed my mind, suppose it depends how much you put in, if i put 10,000,000,000 gallons into a living room carpet i reckon i'll leave about half a percent in it. ;D
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: garry22 on April 26, 2011, 04:38:31 pm
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Gonna do a head to head video with a rug doctor and a Powr-Flite PFX.


You would think that the Power-flite would murder it but maybe not (heresy I hear you cry!)?

Using the same chemicals, that may produce a rather interesting result. Look forward to the video.
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Jamie Pearson on April 26, 2011, 05:21:23 pm
We have actually bought in some Rug Doctor cleaner as we want to show what can be achieved by a professional cleaner vs a DIY.

All be it that the operator will be experienced.

I may even have our administrator clean against me as she has no experience at all.

I recently did a demo in a nightclub with a Hydromist Champ Supreme (now discontinued) and a PFX1350 using the same procedures and chemicals and was amazed at the outcome.
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: garry22 on April 26, 2011, 06:47:23 pm
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I recently did a demo in a nightclub with a Hydromist Champ Supreme (now discontinued) and a PFX1350 using the same procedures and chemicals and was amazed at the outcome

In what way Jamie?
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Paul H on April 26, 2011, 08:15:18 pm
mike...me too i get about 75%....I know its more than 50% for sure!...was curious whether i should be getting more......thanks folks for the response and setting my mind at rest..
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Jamie Pearson on April 26, 2011, 08:38:11 pm
There will be quite a few factors. Evaporation due to the machines heating system. Airflow due to carpet construction. Variations in fibre absorbancy. Presence of protectors. Length of hose runs.
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Jamie Pearson on April 26, 2011, 08:41:03 pm
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I recently did a demo in a nightclub with a Hydromist Champ Supreme (now discontinued) and a PFX1350 using the same procedures and chemicals and was amazed at the outcome

In what way Jamie?

Visually there wasn't much difference. The chemicals did most of the work. It will be interesting to see if one area re-soils faster than the other so we can evaluate how deep each machine cleaned.
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Colin Day on April 26, 2011, 09:25:17 pm
mike...me too i get about 75%....I know its more than 50% for sure!...was curious whether i should be getting more......thanks folks for the response and setting my mind at rest..

Mine too ;D
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Mike Halliday on April 26, 2011, 09:42:23 pm
don't forget you could leave 50% of the water in a wool carpet and it might not 'feel' wet, but 20% on a polypropylene might feel a lot wetter.

plus a wool carpet with 10% water retention might dry slower than a nylon with 25%,  like CSUK said its not just about what you leave behind.
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Paul H on April 26, 2011, 09:47:34 pm
thats why aim to be a god one day mike :o
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Post by: Simon@arenaclean on April 26, 2011, 10:56:39 pm
Take into account if you bucket water in using a graduated bucket it's unlikely you will put in 10 litres from a 10 litre bucket, as that measurement is "brimming" or just below the lip.
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Post by: Paul H on April 27, 2011, 02:40:26 pm
watched this today.....2 rooms ... 3 buckets in ...just over 2.5 oot...
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Post by: M.Acorn on April 27, 2011, 04:15:27 pm
Did 3 decent sized bedrooms,landing and stairs,clean wool mix berber 27 litres in,as I never fill to the top of the bucket,as end up tipping it everywhere.
Got 2 full buckets out and a 1/4 full,and a bit left in tank,new tank gasket has made all the difference,first rooms dry when I left,was only doing the 1 wet pass,then a couple of dry passes
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Jamie Pearson on April 27, 2011, 06:28:27 pm
Which machine and hose length?
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Post by: M.Acorn on April 27, 2011, 06:39:18 pm
Prochem Steempro powermax ,startred off with 50 ft,for the first and second room,then reduced to 25ft for last room and stairs.
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Paul H on April 27, 2011, 10:01:52 pm
extracta dx....7 yrs old.....7.5 mtr hose.....mixed between wand and scrubba tool (for experiment and experience reasons)..
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Robin Ray on April 28, 2011, 04:28:32 pm
Paul,

Do you find the scrubba leaves the carpet drier? I,ve only had mine for a couple of weeks but in general find the carpet much drier with it. Im using less water as well which is probibly why. Ive not done a "scientific test" but i would say for every full tank full 5 ish buckets i get over 4 out thats with a ninja at 50ft 99% of the time.
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Paul H on April 28, 2011, 06:31:01 pm
Robin,

didn't really check but i did notice the rate in which it was vacuuming it back out through the see through pipe....my impression was...aye canny...i also noted that as i overlapped ( as per the wand) due to the scrubbas weight the wheels left tram lines...sorted with the pile rake though..
Title: Re: Water in Water out
Post by: Robin Ray on April 28, 2011, 07:25:48 pm
yeh I've only got the mini and that weighs a tonn, I wish it could be lighter and still work as well.
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Post by: Neil Williams on April 28, 2011, 08:08:16 pm
watched this today.....2 rooms ... 3 buckets in ...just over 2.5 oot...

83% that's pretty good

Mark, yours works out at 83% too (based on your bucket being 10L)