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Title: brushes
Post by: clarkson on February 19, 2011, 02:54:01 pm

 Hi
 There have been several threads recently about brushes one is now getting on for  hundred posts long, i know its subjective. but iam trying to chrystalize what i should get as i want new poles and hoses for the summer.

 I have settled on the clx for pole. but i have read that many opinions for brushes.
 
 1.Tekbuk ariel is best

 2. gardners supa lite is best

 3. supalite mono for first cleans

 4. vikan sill brush for first cleans

 5. supalite flocked 15 degree for maintenance cleans

 
 i dont want to start the whole thing again, but could someone say why they feel one is better than the other. and what is the difference between flocked and not and wht 15 degree?

cheers

 john
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 19, 2011, 03:20:19 pm
Weight is a major issue, size is another.

Vikans are good brushes but too heavy & bulky with the sill brush being like a breeze block.

Aeriels are light but over-splayed & some of their claims on their website are, let's say, very debatable at the very least! Doesn't instill confidence.

Super lites are very light but as a newbie you're probably overwhelmed by the choice & descriptions?

In 7 years wfp the brushes I've used are-

Unger flocked
Vikan oval flocked 10"
Vikan oval flocked 16"
Vikan rectangular flocked
Vikan rectangular mono
Various Salmons
Gaz swivel (Salmon mono)
Cleantech's own brush
Pro-window dual trim
The new style Vikan flocked 10"
SL DT mono
SL ST mono
SL DT flocked standard splay
SL DT flocked 15 degree splay
SL DT flocked 0 degree splay
SL Xtreme 10"

These are just the ones I can immediately remember.

All I use now are Super lites (SL), my advice to you, in your circumstances & with the CLX pole is to go for the SL DT semi flocked (flocked) either 15 degree or 0 degree.

The "degree" refers to the angle that the bristles protrude from the stock at. Standard = wide splay, 15 = a gentle splay & 0 = no splay. The less splay, the more accuracy you have with the brush, which IMO is very important.

Hope that helps a little ;D
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 19, 2011, 03:22:15 pm
My advice is get a vikan sill and a  red aeriel brush nobody likes the vikan because it makes there arms hurt ;D
I've strong arms so I find it a great brush and the superlite poope as it just bounces off the glass and scratches sills and frames.
Aeriel is amazing brush.much quicker to use than  the rest and cleans glass really well as it does sills and frames.

 Hi
 There have been several threads recently about brushes one is now getting on for  hundred posts long, i know its subjective. but iam trying to chrystalize what i should get as i want new poles and hoses for the summer.

 I have settled on the clx for pole. but i have read that many opinions for brushes.
 
 1.Tekbuk ariel is best

 2. gardners supa lite is best

 3. supalite mono for first cleans

 4. vikan sill brush for first cleans

 5. supalite flocked 15 degree for maintenance cleans

 
 i dont want to start the whole thing again, but could someone say why they feel one is better than the other. and what is the difference between flocked and not and wht 15 degree?

cheers

 john

Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 19, 2011, 03:24:19 pm
So how can you comment  on a aeriel brush? You've never used one have you?
Weight is a major issue, size is another.

Vikans are good brushes but too heavy & bulky with the sill brush being like a breeze block.

Aeriels are light but over-splayed & some of their claims on their website are, let's say, very debatable at the very least! Doesn't instill confidence.

Super lites are very light but as a newbie you're probably overwhelmed by the choice & descriptions?

In 7 years wfp the brushes I've used are-

Unger flocked
Vikan oval flocked 10"
Vikan oval flocked 16"
Vikan rectangular flocked
Vikan rectangular mono
Various Salmons
Gaz swivel (Salmon mono)
Cleantech's own brush
Pro-window dual trim
The new style Vikan flocked 10"
SL DT mono
SL ST mono
SL DT flocked standard splay
SL DT flocked 15 degree splay
SL DT flocked 0 degree splay
SL Xtreme 10"

These are just the ones I can immediately remember.

All I use now are Super lites (SL), my advice to you, in your circumstances & with the CLX pole is to go for the SL DT semi flocked (flocked) either 15 degree or 0 degree.

The "degree" refers to the angle that the bristles protrude from the stock at. Standard = wide splay, 15 = a gentle splay & 0 = no splay. The less splay, the more accuracy you have with the brush, which IMO is very important.

Hope that helps a little ;D
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 19, 2011, 03:25:35 pm
So how can you comment  on a aeriel brush? You've never used one have you?
Weight is a major issue, size is another.

Vikans are good brushes but too heavy & bulky with the sill brush being like a breeze block.

Aeriels are light but over-splayed & some of their claims on their website are, let's say, very debatable at the very least! Doesn't instill confidence.

Super lites are very light but as a newbie you're probably overwhelmed by the choice & descriptions?

In 7 years wfp the brushes I've used are-

Unger flocked
Vikan oval flocked 10"
Vikan oval flocked 16"
Vikan rectangular flocked
Vikan rectangular mono
Various Salmons
Gaz swivel (Salmon mono)
Cleantech's own brush
Pro-window dual trim
The new style Vikan flocked 10"
SL DT mono
SL ST mono
SL DT flocked standard splay
SL DT flocked 15 degree splay
SL DT flocked 0 degree splay
SL Xtreme 10"

These are just the ones I can immediately remember.

All I use now are Super lites (SL), my advice to you, in your circumstances & with the CLX pole is to go for the SL DT semi flocked (flocked) either 15 degree or 0 degree.

The "degree" refers to the angle that the bristles protrude from the stock at. Standard = wide splay, 15 = a gentle splay & 0 = no splay. The less splay, the more accuracy you have with the brush, which IMO is very important.

Hope that helps a little ;D

The same way you can comment on all SEVEN super lites when you haven't used them! ;)

Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Lee GLS on February 19, 2011, 03:28:01 pm
What brush do you use now? Brushes are a personal one persons love is anothers hate.

Mono bristles are solid, they don't hold the dirt, flocked are softer and the tips are crushed/split so they hold the dirt more, but if you rinse off the glass it doesn't matter, but they have a different feel to each other.

Me I use the red aerial and the DT mono. IMO a cross between the 2 would be perfect.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 19, 2011, 03:29:02 pm
I have used 2.one I binned the other is in  the shed.that's what happens when you hear people raving on about them.never again.id rather use a brush from Tesco value and put jets in.be  better than a superlite.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 19, 2011, 03:30:52 pm
I have used 2.one I binned the other is in  the shed.that's what happens when you hear people raving on about them.never again.id rather use a brush from Tesco value and put jets in.be  better than a superlite.

When were they purchased as they have been through at least 3 generations?
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 19, 2011, 03:33:56 pm
8 months ago then 6 months ago.
I have used 2.one I binned the other is in  the shed.that's what happens when you hear people raving on about them.never again.id rather use a brush from Tesco value and put jets in.be  better than a superlite.

When were they purchased as they have been through at least 3 generations?
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 19, 2011, 03:37:57 pm
8 months ago then 6 months ago.
I have used 2.one I binned the other is in  the shed.that's what happens when you hear people raving on about them.never again.id rather use a brush from Tesco value and put jets in.be  better than a superlite.

When were they purchased as they have been through at least 3 generations?

Which one's were they?
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: dd on February 19, 2011, 04:02:21 pm
There is a big difference between Gardiners SL mono and flocked brush.

The mono IMO is poor at scrubbing.

The flocked SL (have only used the 15 degree) is the best brush at scrubbing I have used and it is nice and light. Would not go back to their mono but highly rate the flocked.

I have not tried the Ariel brush but to my way of thinking it is too narrow so requires more brush strokes to cover the glass.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: clarkson on February 19, 2011, 04:09:15 pm
 Hi
 Thanks all, by the way iam not a newbie have been windie longer than some of you, but when i started it was basicaly tucker or ionics for kit.

 my last purchases where from brodex, and all have vikan ovals on them. i have one pole that i cant remember where it was sourced from. it has a square brush on it with red bristles and fan jets but no name?

  I also have just had a new 54 foot carbon fibre from gardners but dont know what brush we put on it. when working above 40 feet the brush is a mute point as you can only do so much and you have to brace your arms anyway.

  iam used to ordering a pole the brush choice used to be red or white bristles. just trying to catch up with latest toys. by the way i said clx pole might spring for the sl carbon instead.

 cheers
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Alex Allen on February 19, 2011, 06:47:26 pm
I have used 2.one I binned the other is in  the shed.that's what happens when you hear people raving on about them.never again.id rather use a brush from Tesco value and put jets in.be  better than a superlite.

When were they purchased as they have been through at least 3 generations?

and they still havnt got it right yet  ;D

Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Alex Allen on February 19, 2011, 06:52:05 pm
My advice is get a vikan sill and a  red aeriel brush nobody likes the vikan because it makes there arms hurt ;D
I've strong arms so I find it a great brush and the superlite poope as it just bounces off the glass and scratches sills and frames.
Aeriel is amazing brush.much quicker to use than  the rest and cleans glass really well as it does sills and frames.

 Hi
 There have been several threads recently about brushes one is now getting on for  hundred posts long, i know its subjective. but iam trying to chrystalize what i should get as i want new poles and hoses for the summer.

 I have settled on the clx for pole. but i have read that many opinions for brushes.
 
 1.Tekbuk ariel is best

 2. gardners supa lite is best

 3. supalite mono for first cleans

 4. vikan sill brush for first cleans

 5. supalite flocked 15 degree for maintenance cleans

 
 i dont want to start the whole thing again, but could someone say why they feel one is better than the other. and what is the difference between flocked and not and wht 15 degree?

cheers

 john



seconded

go for the aerial brush for all your regular customers
use your vikan for first cleans

Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Jeff Brimble on February 19, 2011, 07:11:47 pm
Bentley 250gm , in some Aldis for £3
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 19, 2011, 07:40:57 pm
I agree better than brush come from gardiners.infact the bentley is better quality.
Bentley 250gm , in some Aldis for £3
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Alex Allen on February 23, 2011, 03:01:07 pm
I agree better than brush come from gardiners.infact the bentley is better quality.
Bentley 250gm , in some Aldis for £3


if someone just spent £45 for a superlite
they would want to be kept in denial
and convince themselves the bently/aldi brush is 15 times worse to use
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 23, 2011, 04:26:41 pm
Or but an over-priced Aerial with a scraper that doesn't actually work, or even touch the glass!  ;D

Desperados ;D
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: elite mike on February 23, 2011, 08:11:50 pm
ive used bentlys vikan and home made

and none come close to  the original 0 degree flocked double trim supalite from gardiners  8)

to me its the best  i have used to date, totally brilliant
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: dd on February 23, 2011, 08:53:03 pm
With 0 degree do you get enough splay for the inner bristles to work on the glass?
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: elite mike on February 23, 2011, 09:02:42 pm
With 0 degree do you get enough splay for the inner bristles to work on the glass?

hi dd

yes
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: mark m on February 23, 2011, 11:07:08 pm
brought myself a brodex pole the other day and got a free brodex brush with it ,rubbish dont buy one skips and jumps all over the glass  ::) ::)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: dazmond on February 23, 2011, 11:24:31 pm
mark i use my brodex brush for cleaning the van on a short unger pole! ;D ;D ;D


ive used

vikan rectangle mono

supalite dual trim mono

supalite dual trim flocked

vikan stiff sill brush(used for conny roofs/fascia cleans)


the vikan mono is good on a few commercial at 30 ft but my everyday brush on my main pole is the supalite DT flocked.great brush!takes a bit of getting used to though but i love it now!

i do agree the supalite mono it poor at scrubbing and it drags too much on leaded windows.


dazmond
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 24, 2011, 06:43:20 am
Sounds like the superlite.that bounces everywhere you don't want it to.
brought myself a brodex pole the other day and got a free brodex brush with it ,rubbish dont buy one skips and jumps all over the glass  ::) ::)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: dazmond on February 24, 2011, 07:52:41 am
doctorwindows have you tried a supalite DT flocked(black one)?

much better than than the mono mate.its fantastic on leaded/georgian windows.nice and light and good scrubbing power.


dazmond
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 24, 2011, 03:37:54 pm
doctorwindows have you tried a supalite DT flocked(black one)?

much better than than the mono mate.its fantastic on leaded/georgian windows.nice and light and good scrubbing power.


dazmond

I agree

Unlike the Aerial, it doesn't come with a totally useless scraper either! ;D
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 24, 2011, 03:41:37 pm
Yawn
doctorwindows have you tried a supalite DT flocked(black one)?

much better than than the mono mate.its fantastic on leaded/georgian windows.nice and light and good scrubbing power.


dazmond

I agree

Unlike the Aerial, it doesn't come with a totally useless scraper either! ;D
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 24, 2011, 03:44:18 pm
Yawn
doctorwindows have you tried a supalite DT flocked(black one)?

much better than than the mono mate.its fantastic on leaded/georgian windows.nice and light and good scrubbing power.


dazmond

I agree

Unlike the Aerial, it doesn't come with a totally useless scraper either! ;D

Face it Doctor, It's pants! ;D Over priced, over splayed, little block of rock hard, sharp edged plastic! ::) :-*
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 24, 2011, 03:49:39 pm
Face it Gimp.o clean your a mug that sucks up to gardiners.enjoy your rubbish superlites.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Lee GLS on February 24, 2011, 04:00:33 pm
Yawn
doctorwindows have you tried a supalite DT flocked(black one)?

much better than than the mono mate.its fantastic on leaded/georgian windows.nice and light and good scrubbing power.


dazmond

I agree

Unlike the Aerial, it doesn't come with a totally useless scraper either! ;D

Face it Doctor, It's pants! ;D Over priced, over splayed, little block of rock hard, sharp edged plastic! ::) :-*

WinproClean, im not anti gardiners like the Doc, but i do you the aerial brush, and it does have some flaws just like the SL Mono has flaws, BUT, have you actually tried the brush for yourself? fair enough if you have.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 24, 2011, 04:33:11 pm
Yawn
doctorwindows have you tried a supalite DT flocked(black one)?

much better than than the mono mate.its fantastic on leaded/georgian windows.nice and light and good scrubbing power.


dazmond

I agree

Unlike the Aerial, it doesn't come with a totally useless scraper either! ;D

Face it Doctor, It's pants! ;D Over priced, over splayed, little block of rock hard, sharp edged plastic! ::) :-*

WinproClean, im not anti gardiners like the Doc, but i do you the aerial brush, and it does have some flaws just like the SL Mono has flaws, BUT, have you actually tried the brush for yourself? fair enough if you have.

I don't need to Lee. I only need to look at it to know it's a hideous creation. ;)

Oh, & has The Doctor tried all the super lites to know how rubbish they are?

Oh, & don't take the banter too seriously! ;D
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 24, 2011, 04:33:31 pm
Face it Gimp.o clean your a mug that sucks up to gardiners.enjoy your rubbish superlites.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: clarkson on February 24, 2011, 04:44:31 pm
 hi all
 nice and conclusive i have a very clear picture of what to get. ;D ;D

 As iam getting a clx will get the supalite flocked with fan jets i think, seems to be popular.
 cant decide on 0 degree or 15 degree.

 Jeff the bentley brush is this a joke or isit really three pounds. i take it this will be a diy jobby drilling jet holes etc.

 i have looked on the big pole and this is a supalite but doesnt say which one its got supalite on it and black might borrow it stick it on the clx.

cheers

john
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Dave Willis on February 24, 2011, 05:08:21 pm
Yes Bentley brushes are about three quid. They are what the original superlight was based on. Worked fine too but didn't last too long. You have to remember before the current Superlights were produced there was nothing out there light enough to be used on carbon modular poles apart from adapted Bentleys. Any brush will work to some degree, Vikans have always been good but they were never made with lightweights in mind.
Also what suits one person won't suit all. my favorite is the dual trim mono whereas others swear by the dual trim flocked. it's very easy to blame the brush when you do a bad job when usually it's the operators error.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: richard jagger on February 24, 2011, 05:34:09 pm
I have been around a bit and have use quite a few brushes but if I HAD TO CHOOSE ONLY ONE FOR ALL MY WORK ITS WOULD BE ....................................................................The Super-Lite® Brush Dual-Trim MONO WITH OUT THINKING TWICE.,.............................................
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: dd on February 24, 2011, 06:14:52 pm
With 0 degree do you get enough splay for the inner bristles to work on the glass?

hi dd

yes
Thanks  :)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Frankybadboy on February 24, 2011, 08:49:42 pm
how can you give opinons on brush that you havent used, :o :o :o ::) ::) ::)


just cause you see a picture and dont like it.


get real. ;)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: mikecam on February 24, 2011, 09:04:05 pm
My advice is get a vikan sill ................

Why would you advise this? The Vikan sill brush is a specialist brush, it very heavy and unless you need a specific requirement to scrub sills and need bristles everywhere its frankly overkill. And as the OP has said he intends on using a CLX pole  which is a lightweight pole it will make his pole bend and flex uneccesarily and he won't get the benefit of either. Anyone can scrub sills with a standard brush, just 'angle it'.


and a  red aeriel brush nobody likes the vikan because it makes there arms hurt ;D
I've strong arms so I find it a great brush and the superlite poope as it just bounces off the glass and scratches sills and frames.
Aeriel is amazing brush.much quicker to use than  the rest and cleans glass really well as it does sills and frames.
The ariel brush certainley seems like a fine brush, you don't like the superlite in its various trims, filaments? Whatever, they're all subject to their fans or detesters. But one thing is for sure, he needs a lightweight brush on the end of a CLX and Vikan don't make any that i'm aware of. You can have the strongest arms in the world and they won't stop a lightweight composite pole being 'whippy' with a heavy brush on the end.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 24, 2011, 09:20:59 pm
how can you give opinons on brush that you havent used, :o :o :o ::) ::) ::)


just cause you see a picture and dont like it.


get real. ;)

I agree

There are FIVE Super lites that you HAVEN'T used Doctor! ;)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: bobplum on February 24, 2011, 09:30:14 pm

 Hi
 There have been several threads recently about brushes one is now getting on for  hundred posts long, i know its subjective. but iam trying to chrystalize what i should get as i want new poles and hoses for the summer.

 I have settled on the clx for pole. but i have read that many opinions for brushes.
 
 1.Tekbuk ariel is best

 2. gardners supa lite is best

 3. supalite mono for first cleans

 4. vikan sill brush for first cleans

 5. supalite flocked 15 degree for maintenance cleans

 
 i dont want to start the whole thing again, but could someone say why they feel one is better than the other. and what is the difference between flocked and not and wht 15 degree?

cheers

 john

   see what you have started ;D
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Frankybadboy on February 24, 2011, 09:42:19 pm
how can you give opinons on brush that you havent used, :o :o :o ::) ::) ::)


just cause you see a picture and dont like it.


get real. ;)

I agree

There are FIVE Super lites that you HAVEN'T used Doctor! ;)
winpo stop it
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: davids3511 on February 24, 2011, 10:11:50 pm
I agree better than brush come from gardiners.infact the bentley is better quality.
Bentley 250gm , in some Aldis for £3
This is a joke and just so misleading to anybody who doesn't know it is bullpoop. You are talking about the gardiners like it is junk, it isn't and every brush I purchased from them I feel was value for money. I didn't like some of them but that was personal preference. Personally I think the DT flocked is the best yet. I have used the bentley and I hated it. There is just no comparison between the current Gardiners brushed and the bently or Vikans.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: davids3511 on February 24, 2011, 10:13:52 pm
I agree better than brush come from gardiners.infact the bentley is better quality.
Bentley 250gm , in some Aldis for £3


if someone just spent £45 for a superlite
they would want to be kept in denial
and convince themselves the bently/aldi brush is 15 times worse to use
What a joke. Can't you rely on how good your brush is instead of bitching on about Gardiners like a jealous little girl?
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 24, 2011, 10:17:20 pm
gimpo you havent used any aeriel brushes i have used 2 superlites and i hated them!
I love my aeriel on the fact i have used them and much prefer them to using a superlite!How it looks hideous i dont know?like someone says the superlite is a £3 brush and nothing more,but mugs like you but them for £40,end of day they are just for sweeping your kitchen with 2 jets on!
 They are weak and bendy very poor and i have just picked up lots of work from someone who uses one and scratches the sills!
 Thanks gardiners keep selling them so they can scratch every sill in sight! ;D
how can you give opinons on brush that you havent used, :o :o :o ::) ::) ::)


just cause you see a picture and dont like it.


get real. ;)

I agree

There are FIVE Super lites that you HAVEN'T used Doctor! ;)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 24, 2011, 10:27:03 pm
gimpo you havent used any aeriel brushes i have used 2 superlites and i hated them!
I love my aeriel on the fact i have used them and much prefer them to using a superlite!How it looks hideous i dont know?like someone says the superlite is a £3 brush and nothing more,but mugs like you but them for £40,end of day they are just for sweeping your kitchen with 2 jets on!
 They are weak and bendy very poor and i have just picked up lots of work from someone who uses one and scratches the sills!
 Thanks gardiners keep selling them so they can scratch every sill in sight! ;D
how can you give opinons on brush that you havent used, :o :o :o ::) ::) ::)


just cause you see a picture and dont like it.


get real. ;)

I agree

There are FIVE Super lites that you HAVEN'T used Doctor! ;)

I don't need to, I've got one almost exactly the same that we keep next to the toilet, although the handle is a little longer & this one is much better quality! It even has it's own holder! ;)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Dave Willis on February 24, 2011, 10:28:36 pm
Doctor windows are you a few years behind?

I think the Superlight your thinking of is the original from about four years ago, not the purpose made black stock ones of today.
If the latest ones are poop as you say then I think you must be a little strange.  ???
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: richard jagger on February 24, 2011, 10:54:53 pm
Doctor windows grow up Mate. Gardeners is a well respected company and many if not most window cleaner respect them for the strides forward  they  have made for this industry. So try taking your medication and be calm you know all this aggro is not good for you. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: windiewasher on February 24, 2011, 10:58:35 pm
i like gardiners have respect and think there poles are good but ive used 2 of these brushes and they were very poor,i HAVE used a aeriel and superlites so can comment!
 I don't make assum ptions before slagging them off,i try them!
 I've had Brodex poles and would never buy again,terrible quality and service!
Doctor windows grow up Mate. Gardeners is a well respected company and many if not most window cleaner respect them for the strides forward  they  have made for this industry. So try taking your medication and be calm you know all this aggro is not good for you. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: mikecam on February 24, 2011, 11:19:20 pm
i like gardiners have respect and think there poles are good but ive used 2 of these brushes and they were very poor,i HAVE used a aeriel and superlites so can comment!
 I don't make assum ptions before slagging them off,i try them!
 I've had Brodex poles and would never buy again,terrible quality and service!

Thats great mate. Why are you recomending Vikan Sill brushes though. Is that a joke and i'm missing it?
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Frankybadboy on February 25, 2011, 07:33:41 am
i like gardiners have respect and think there poles are good but ive used 2 of these brushes and they were very poor,i HAVE used a aeriel and superlites so can comment!
 I don't make assum ptions before slagging them off,i try them!
 I've had Brodex poles and would never buy again,terrible quality and service!

Thats great mate. Why are you recomending Vikan Sill brushes though. Is that a joke and i'm missing it?
good brush that mike for what it says,but have it down side ---------weight

i have 4 gardiners brushes in the van at mo,i can say that not one of them bend,ive never bloke one yet,i have never had a problem with them marking the sills,this i feel this done when the operator does know what hes doing,

i also have a few vikan brush which come with my first pole,very good brushes and will if iam honest out last a gardiners brush by miles,i have also used brodex brush less said the better,in one word crap.

the only problem i said ive found with the gardiners brush is the time it will last,12 mths if you are lucky,but i hear some people say theres are 2 1/2years old.i never had a problem with using it on first cleans again down to the person using it.

as anyone every tried a ionics brush hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????????????? ;)
so the perect brush for me would the lasting vikan with the supalite weight.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Lee GLS on February 25, 2011, 07:54:47 am
This is my SL DT mono, it's bent.


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/52e5b970.jpg)

Has anyone else had this trouble?
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Smudger on February 25, 2011, 07:55:44 am
Great posts mate and wise words with regards to the sill brush,

like many i was 'given' a vikan brush when i started wfp - yes good brushes and they should be as they
are for cleaning cars and lorries and weight is not an issue at this level - i found that even my 18 foot brodex
ali pole bent badly at full extention and the red rubber marked the sill.

when i changed to a SL the pole hardly flexed at all and i cleaned better purely as i had more control and not
fighting the weight at the other end, i have never known any of my SL brush heads to mark/scratch/damage any
frame or sill

i have also made up a bentley brush (£1.20 in a clearance bin) did a good job for a couple of months before the bristles wore away.

How long does a brush head last ? - depends on how much you use it ! - i like to change mine every 8 to 10 months
as i feel they do lose performance and show signs or wear thats just me - i'm sure they are still serviceable and 1
may change them cause i'm bored !

Darran
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Smudger on February 25, 2011, 07:58:49 am
Lee - sorry off out in a sec,  is the attachment looks like the older silver plastic - my bush of that age bowed like that towards the end of its life - the newer ones have a black 'reinforced' brush attachment - this has stayed flat and is over 6 months old

catch ya later

Darran
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Alex Allen on February 25, 2011, 02:19:43 pm
Yawn
doctorwindows have you tried a supalite DT flocked(black one)?

much better than than the mono mate.its fantastic on leaded/georgian windows.nice and light and good scrubbing power.


dazmond

I agree

Unlike the Aerial, it doesn't come with a totally useless scraper either! ;D

Face it Doctor, It's pants! ;D Over priced, over splayed, little block of rock hard, sharp edged plastic! ::) :-*

your far to biased winproclean  to give a resonable opinion of any brush, including the superlites
doctorwindows and otheres have used the aerial brush and overall its got a decent review

the thing you forget, is just a few years ago choice of brushes was very limited
just over the past couple of years window cleaners have a much better choice
thanks to tecbuk, gardiners and other window cleaners
who have gone to the trouble to make brushes
i dont see the big manufactueres giving window cleaners more options
 
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 25, 2011, 02:35:18 pm
Yawn
doctorwindows have you tried a supalite DT flocked(black one)?

much better than than the mono mate.its fantastic on leaded/georgian windows.nice and light and good scrubbing power.


dazmond

I agree

Unlike the Aerial, it doesn't come with a totally useless scraper either! ;D

Face it Doctor, It's pants! ;D Over priced, over splayed, little block of rock hard, sharp edged plastic! ::) :-*

your far to biased winproclean  to give a resonable opinion of any brush, including the superlites
doctorwindows and otheres have used the aerial brush and overall its got a decent review

the thing you forget, is just a few years ago choice of brushes was very limited
just over the past couple of years window cleaners have a much better choice
thanks to tecbuk, gardiners and other window cleaners
who have gone to the trouble to make brushes
i dont see the big manufactueres giving window cleaners more options
 

POT, KETTLE, BLACK!! :o :o :o :o

I love a Vikan flocked BUT too big & bulky. I dislike the SL ST mono.

If you & the other salesman weren't so OTT about them it wouldn't be so bad, you've done them more harm than good IMO. Oh, & if their website wasn't so full of "facts" that are actually "not facts" it might bolster a bit of confidence in the product.

Untill then, on visual ergonomics only, it's deffo not for me, might be for some but I've been using brushes long enough to know 2 things-
1. Half of what you purport is nonsense
2. There is no accuracy with such an exaggerated splay

 :) :)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Alex Allen on February 25, 2011, 02:46:07 pm
your no expert on the subject of brushes mate
you have used some brushes, but thats as far as your understanding goes
if you want to think the aerial brush is not accurate, thats your choice
but think about this, when you use the aerial brush you control the level of splay
by how hard you push down the brush is predictable to use, you can push down with one finger
or use all your strength and that makes it fast and accurate
you carnt do that with any other brush

Title: Re: brushes
Post by: elite mike on February 25, 2011, 03:16:16 pm
i have never had any problems with any brush i have used regarding scratched sills.

how the hell does anyone scratch sills with a brush  ::)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Dave Willis on February 25, 2011, 04:57:00 pm
your no expert on the subject of brushes mate
you have used some brushes, but thats as far as your understanding goes
if you want to think the aerial brush is not accurate, thats your choice
but think about this, when you use the aerial brush you control the level of splay
by how hard you push down the brush is predictable to use, you can push down with one finger
or use all your strength and that makes it fast and accurate
you carnt do that with any other brush



That's exactly what Gardiners flocked does - I have one in front of me now - push down lightly with my little finger and it splays so that the inner britles come into play.
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on February 25, 2011, 05:09:16 pm
your no expert on the subject of brushes mate
you have used some brushes, but thats as far as your understanding goes
if you want to think the aerial brush is not accurate, thats your choice
but think about this, when you use the aerial brush you control the level of splay
by how hard you push down the brush is predictable to use, you can push down with one finger
or use all your strength and that makes it fast and accurate
you carnt do that with any other brush



I have a SL DT flocked standard splay. I can do the above with it just fine. ;)

As said, the bog Aeriel thingy's not for me. Might be OK for gutters though?
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Sapphire Window Cleaning on February 25, 2011, 08:26:57 pm
i have never had any problems with any brush i have used regarding scratched sills.

how the hell does anyone scratch sills with a brush  ::)



Usually when they scrape the stock on the sill, becuase they have the brush at the wrong angle.





Matt
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: mikecam on February 25, 2011, 09:46:53 pm
This is my SL DT mono, it's bent.


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/52e5b970.jpg)

Has anyone else had this trouble?

Looks like you through your toys out the pram Lee ?!!
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on February 25, 2011, 09:50:12 pm
if i was laying block paving i would want a perfectly flat lump of wood to level my sand out.
Since i am only a window cleaner i dont mind using a 'bent stock' brush AS IT DOESNT MAKE 1 LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!
 ;D
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on February 25, 2011, 09:51:48 pm
is that the new base pole of the slxtreme in the photo???  8)
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Lee GLS on February 25, 2011, 09:56:12 pm


Looks like you through your toys out the pram Lee ?!!


 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: brushes
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on February 25, 2011, 09:57:27 pm
i like the silver merc  :P
Title: Re: brushes
Post by: Lee GLS on February 25, 2011, 10:02:55 pm
i like the silver merc  :P


it the closest i will even get to owning one,  ;D