Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ronnie paton on February 12, 2011, 07:00:01 pm
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i would like to know how you clean the windows and videos would be a massive help.
i feel im to fussy and my employees sruggle to take on how i like it to be done.
i know ill get slated but i dont do the top bar/frame always found it causes problems which in turns means you have to detail and be careful.
so come on tell me how you clean and videos if you have......im after perfecting my technique
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Nothing wrong in trying to perfect your technical and look at alternatives.
been WFP over 18 months and still do a tweak here and there.
Darran
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I get double £ for doing frames, glass only saves water and money.
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so jeff do you find you have to be more carful with this method?
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I don't do top frames either, been doing it this way for 7 years.
A square brush, not too splayed helps. The new super-lite 0 degree is perfect. ;)
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Ronnie,
Well like all techniques you need practice, but I can now clean in the dark 8)
Careful- not really the frame edges get done every time as the bristles overlap but with a splay brush you can get right to the top of the glass and sides.
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any videos jeff?
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type in the electric window cleaner ron
jeff normally as a few vids on
the job he did in sheffield 89ft is on there ;D
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We also only do glass only, as the customers dont want to pay extra
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I never understood this ???
The frames are part of the window,leaving the frames I would expect from cowboy window cleaners,you either do the job properly or not at all ::)
Do you guys have no shame.
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I never understood this ???
The frames are part of the window,leaving the frames I would expect from cowboy window cleaners,you either do the job properly or not at all ::)
Do you guys have no shame.
IMO it was born from the wfp operator, desperate to convince the client of any & every benefit possible in an attempt to convince them of the method.
Never had a complaint or request to clean the top frame in 7 years wfp. ;)
Reality & what is thrown around on here are TWO completely different things! ;) Learn this & you are free. :D
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I do see this method and a really dirty frame on top looks awful let alone dirty frames surrounding the windows,I think windows that have their frames cleaned stand out better,I could never sleep at night just doing the glass but thats my opinion.
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I do see this method and a really dirty frame on top looks awful let alone dirty frames surrounding the windows,I think windows that have their frames cleaned stand out better,I could never sleep at night just doing the glass but thats my opinion.
Another example of a fool on this website talking out of their bottom.
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Says the bloke that can't even get his van payload right ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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just converted to fan jets hense my fanjet off glass vote i barely lift tyhe brush off the glass about a inch and wash down double sweep on the top pane and follow down with swirl effect
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Says the bloke that can't even get his van payload right ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh, have you weighed my van then slash?
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Most of the time I skip the top of the frame, sometimes if they get really manky I bite the bullet and do them.
The problem ones are the ones with vents in the top frame, you could scrub these all day and still get dirty drips.
I did a little experiment the other day using both the superlite and Ariel brushes, both these brushes get right into the corners even with half the brush on the frame. Knowing this will speed me up considerably as I usually do the pane and frame separately.
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I beg to differ, altho 4 wky clean does not always require the frame to be washed i do it as a matter of course
and i find this eliminates any dirty drips after washing - even with vents, take the time to fully clean 1st time
round and followings cleans are quick and easy - i have only ever got dirty drips when firing water right up
inside the vent - keep the brush at the correct angle as this will not happen.
it's each to their own and what the job allows - mine are priced for frames, sills and glass wether trad or WFP
Darran
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if im cleaning a first clean i always clean the frames inclu the top frame.once their clean though i usually just give the top frame a once over every other clean(upper windows) but clean the sides of the frame.again the ground floor windows get the same treatment.the top frames dont get that dirty once their clean so IMO dont need cleaning every time its wasting time unless you can see the dirt.
anyone who never cleans the top frame is a cowboy IMO IF YOUR USING THE POLE GET IT CLEANED FIRST TIME THEN I QUICK SCRUB AND RINSE EVERY OTHER CLEAN!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
not cleaning the top frames EVER looks bad especially if the rest of the frame is nice and clean.the only acception would be certain types of wooden frames but all plastic frames should be cleaned as a matter of course.
some of you have the cheek to ask for £15 for a small 3 bed semi then dont clean all the frame? ::) ::) ::)
rip off merchants who deserve to lose some work!!giving wfp a bad name in some areas.thats my view anyway.
regards
dazmond
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Glass only because they only want to pay for that, get it! :o
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if im cleaning a first clean i always clean the frames inclu the top frame.once their clean though i usually just give the top frame a once over every other clean(upper windows) but clean the sides of the frame.again the ground floor windows get the same treatment.the top frames dont get that dirty once their clean so IMO dont need cleaning every time its wasting time unless you can see the dirt.
anyone who never cleans the top frame is a cowboy IMO IF YOUR USING THE POLE GET IT CLEANED FIRST TIME THEN I QUICK SCRUB AND RINSE EVERY OTHER CLEAN!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
not cleaning the top frames EVER looks bad especially if the rest of the frame is nice and clean.the only acception would be certain types of wooden frames but all plastic frames should be cleaned as a matter of course.
some of you have the cheek to ask for £15 for a small 3 bed semi then dont clean all the frame? ::) ::) ::)
rip off merchants who deserve to lose some work!!giving wfp a bad name in some areas.thats my view anyway.
I do the same totaly agree with the above
regards
dazmond
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if im cleaning a first clean i always clean the frames inclu the top frame.once their clean though i usually just give the top frame a once over every other clean(upper windows) but clean the sides of the frame.again the ground floor windows get the same treatment.the top frames dont get that dirty once their clean so IMO dont need cleaning every time its wasting time unless you can see the dirt.
anyone who never cleans the top frame is a cowboy IMO IF YOUR USING THE POLE GET IT CLEANED FIRST TIME THEN I QUICK SCRUB AND RINSE EVERY OTHER CLEAN!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
not cleaning the top frames EVER looks bad especially if the rest of the frame is nice and clean.the only acception would be certain types of wooden frames but all plastic frames should be cleaned as a matter of course.
some of you have the cheek to ask for £15 for a small 3 bed semi then dont clean all the frame? ::) ::) ::)
rip off merchants who deserve to lose some work!!giving wfp a bad name in some areas.thats my view anyway.
regards
dazmond
Well said,some people on here talk so much crap ,imagine cleaning glass and not the frames,no wonder WFP has a bad name due to cowboys who think there professional ::)
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I never understood this ???
The frames are part of the window,leaving the frames I would expect from cowboy window cleaners,you either do the job properly or not at all ::)
Do you guys have no shame.
Hi,
Same here, I am traditionial & always clean frames with a wipe over if needed.
Kevin WINDOLENE.
Kevin Windolene.
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Fine if your getting £15 for a 3 bed semi, but round here they think your too expensive if you ask for £7.00. They get what ever they are prepared to pay for, it's as simple as that.
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Whats talking crap about only cleaning what you get paid to clean,
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR
In the area i clean they think £5 is a fortune ,ex mining village unemployment above 50% the rest retired on pit pensions .
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i don't agree, certainly with uPVC frames and WFP the time doing or not doing frames is almost unmeasurable,
but the difference in quality of job and customer service is huge !
i finish a house and all the windows and frame shine, sad git that i am i walk away proud of my work.
going that little further than the competition can and will lead to better and more customers
Darran
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going that little further than the competition can and will lead to better and more customers
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Remember the frame is part of a window,I don't see any houses that have windows with no frames,I always clean frames and sills as standard,for those that don't clean frames I regard as GLASS CLEANERS and not WINDOW CLEANERS
Take some pride in your work :P
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Would you clean a 3 bed standard house frames and glass for £5 ?
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There`s no excuse for poor quality work!
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I second that!
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Whats talking crap about only cleaning what you get paid to clean,
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR
In the area i clean they think £5 is a fortune ,ex mining village unemployment above 50% the rest retired on pit pensions .
Jason how often do you clean those houses?
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I'm a glass cleaner & proud! ;D
In & out, perfect results, no slower on first cleans! ;)
You'll not find any back posts from me regarding any problems with spots etc. ;)
Each to their own.
One up for the GLASS cleaners around here ;D
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i have appprox 450 fortnightly and 400 monthly so i dont think the work is poor quality like i keep saying they get exactley what they pay for .
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i have appprox 450 fortnightly and 400 monthly so i dont think the work is poor quality like i keep saying they get exactley what they pay for .
Jason you need to change your cleaning frequency!
imo fortnightly cleaning will always be that of low paying customers.
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so 1 window and door at the front 2 at the back - for £5 quid - stop cutting corners and clean them frames :P
Darran
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The customers want fortnightly,also the window stay clean so you can clean very fast.
James how long have you been cleaning windows ,how many customers you got.
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James how long have you been cleaning windows ,how many customers you got.
8+ years 300+
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this thread is going off topic
I think that i wil clean the frames when i am paid extra to do so end of, no customer has ever expected any different, never will
As for wfp technique i dont think i have one, i havent done enough of it to know whether ive done good or bad, i scrub and rinse quite alot and so probably dont benefit from the speed side like some of you, but find it hard to trust doing a quick job ??
Getting a bigger system in next 4 weeks though so maybe with a MUCH higher flow rate i can be alot quicker!!
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I think that i wil clean the frames when i am paid extra to do so end of, no customer has ever expected any different, never will
So how did you sell wfp to your customers then sean?
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I never understood this ???
The frames are part of the window,leaving the frames I would expect from cowboy window cleaners,you either do the job properly or not at all ::)
Do you guys have no shame.
IMO it was born from the wfp operator, desperate to convince the client of any & every benefit possible in an attempt to convince them of the method.
Never had a complaint or request to clean the top frame in 7 years wfp. ;)
Reality & what is thrown around on here are TWO completely different things! ;) Learn this & you are free. :D
I have to agree with this, i do the frames on upvc, but not on other types of windows, and it was definitely a way of trying to get the customers on side when i changed over.
As for being window cleaner and we should be cleaning the glass and frame, well that is down to your own interpretation and what you feel happy doing. Just because someone doesn't clean the frames doesn't mean that he is a cowboy, after all if the customers expected the frames to be cleaned each time because we are "window cleaners" surly then that would be the industry standard, to clean the glass and the frames, but it isn't, people who was an window cleaner was their glass cleaned because they don't like looking out of dirty windows, and a periodic clean of the frame suffices.
So its entirely up to you wether you want to clean the frames or not, admittedly, when cleaning with WFP it is probably easier to get a problem free clean by doing the frames as well especially for newbies, but as other have stated, they dont clean the frames, just the glass, then it isn't essential to clean the frames.
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i clean plenty of small 3 bed semis for £6,£7,£8.a hundred and fifty of em practically all right next door to each other and i clean frames,sills and a quick scrim of doors.
once the first cleans are out of the way its just a case of minimum maintenance cleaning on 4 weeklies that takes no longer than trad cleaning.
thats why wfp is a much more thorough clean because frames are included without it taking anymore time than it would if you were doing them by hand.plus as we all know the quality is usually higher with pure water rather than a cloth. ;) ;D ;D
dazmond
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I think that i wil clean the frames when i am paid extra to do so end of, no customer has ever expected any different, never will
So how did you sell wfp to your customers then sean?
I didnt have too, i bought alot of work which was wfp where they actually pay extra for frame cleaning, and my own custies that have been converted, i have just told them we are using a different method which cleans windows we couldn't reach before, and is safer for me, i have not said i will be cleaning frames as otherwise i will be there all year the first cleans, they will still pay more for frame cleaning, i do offer it on top of cleans for a small premium , i dont charge alot for it as i do admit once you are poling them regular its not as time consuming as trad, BUT i find having to clean the top frams slows me down alot as i worry about the drips etc
However, i dont necessarily feel one way is right, and one wrong, if it works for your business and your prices then that is great, but for me i cant do both for the one price, and do not find it affects my business adversely as i am not expected to do this
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this does not make any sense to me at all, if you are wfp, why?? not do the frames at the same time, it only takes a few seconds extra?? the whole point of wfp is the benefits of this system, keep it simple, clean the glass, doors, frames, and garage, this is what splits us apart from trad, the custys i have would never look back after seeing what wfp does, it is working great here in scotland, my personal opinion is, if you split wfp in to sections, you are leaving yourself vunarable to the old method, (trad) to step right back in,
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Totally agree jouk just doing the glass and not the frames with wfp is as no benefit to the customer!
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frames and glass done every time. if i get a cup of tea, garage door done. mind you, customers have caught on to this seem to drink tea on nearly every job now
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so ronnie whats yr technique ;D ;D
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If you clean that top frame with vents every time, then the job will take a lot longer if your going to get them spotless.
The only sure way is to do all the top frames first, and only do the rest when that top frame is dry.
It's OK saying if you do them right on the first clean then you won't have problems, but the jobs I do inside and out tell me different.
Water running down behind the vents can leave runs no matter how careful you are on first cleans, that's my experience anyway.
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On top frames with vents I tend to sweep across the top of the vent just with a wet brush and then clean to the left then to the right of the vent with the flow on. Its usually only a problem if you get water into the underside of the vent then you will get the dirty water drips.
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so has any one got any vids?
i did the frames every time for months but i found my results were far better when leaving the top bar and detailsing(being careful at the top)
if seen many about in my time using different methods but iv also checked many peoples results too(i know sad)
so i would love to not have to be careful at the top(detail) do all the frames without hassle but it never worked.
but im open ti change my mind, dont say you didnt rinse enough because there were days were i wasnt doing much more than 1 house a hour, also dont come on saying do all the frames and then all the glass i would be there all bloody week lol
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I beg to differ, altho 4 wky clean does not always require the frame to be washed i do it as a matter of course
and i find this eliminates any dirty drips after washing - even with vents, take the time to fully clean 1st time
round and followings cleans are quick and easy - i have only ever got dirty drips when firing water right up
inside the vent - keep the brush at the correct angle as this will not happen.
it's each to their own and what the job allows - mine are priced for frames, sills and glass wether trad or WFP
Darran
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uPVC frames dont hold the dirt so washing the top (vent or not) frame will wash away all the dirt so can only
drip clean pure water.
and frames done 4 wky, have so little build up that 1 pass is enough.
even on my first cleans where i have then done insides show no signs of spotting or getting runs.
crappy wood frames ( and i mean badly flaking or going rotten - not good condition/well painted one ) can
be more tricky.
otherwise a good high flowrate and brush round will leave spot free glass
Darran
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There is no set answer.
Generally glass only, but every now and then a bit of frames when it starts to look dirty.
Frames on new cleans every time.
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Well I think the poll speaks for itself,frames every time! ;)