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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: andrewwebb1 on December 23, 2010, 02:04:07 pm
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To all those with hot WFP how much quicker on average would you say it is compared with cold.
Apart from being able to work in lower temperatures would you say it is worth the investment.
Cheers,
Andy.
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yea, i use an element, but have been filling up with hot for the last few months, its just nicer and easier to work with,
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Its quicker on first cleans & irregular work,.. cladding cleans & conservatory roofs etc. For monthly windows there is very little speed benefit though,.. just makes the hoses easier to work with.
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Also hot water can spot more than cold water!
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To all those with hot WFP how much quicker on average would you say it is compared with cold.
Apart from being able to work in lower temperatures would you say it is worth the investment.
Cheers,
Andy.
It not quicker on regular maintenance cleans, that’s then marketing working from the manufacturers for you to assume that.
Heated water can be quicker on first cleans, but not always and it’s also useful to have for certain types of dirt, but you can use a detergent with cold water which is better than heated water alone anyway.
Look at the cleaning cycles on your washing machine, some won’t even use warm water, but they will use a detergent.
Depending on how you use heated water the question could also be how much longer does it take to clean.
Well Ewan, I have been telling people that for years and just recently have been corrected by two separate customers. These two customers had my Hotwash trolley out on trial and both had not heard any marketing bumf that it was supposed to be quicker or use less water, but that was what both of them reported back, along with the hoses been easier to manage. Do you use hot water yourself? If so I am interested in the detergents you use, what are they?
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
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yea, i use an element, but have been filling up with hot for the last few months, its just nicer and easier to work with,
i think it cleans better ,not so much scrubbing
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Look at the cleaning cycles on your washing machine, some won’t even use warm water, but they will use a detergent.
That's because a washing machine has to allow for allsorts of different fabrics.
Try washing a jumper at 60 °C and see how your theory stacks up.
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my misses did and now you could fit in it with me
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To all those with hot WFP how much quicker on average would you say it is compared with cold.
Apart from being able to work in lower temperatures would you say it is worth the investment.
Cheers,
Andy.
It not quicker on regular maintenance cleans, that’s then marketing working from the manufacturers for you to assume that.
Heated water can be quicker on first cleans, but not always and it’s also useful to have for certain types of dirt, but you can use a detergent with cold water which is better than heated water alone anyway.
Look at the cleaning cycles on your washing machine, some won’t even use warm water, but they will use a detergent.
Depending on how you use heated water the question could also be how much longer does it take to clean.
So Ewan, the company you work for doesn't really bother selling hot systems then, or are they pushing you to promote their cold system ? I mean, you aren't really a window cleaner, so that's the only reason I can see for you posting in this thread.
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of course its better and quicker, you would'nt wash your hands in cold water would you? it would take take at least twice as long to remove the grime ;D
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Yes Ewan, but when will you stop giving advice about stuff you've never actually done and become a window cleaner? Why not just give up the job and start your own window cleaning business? Then you could post on here and make sense. Just a thought......
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ewwwan used to work for brodx who slaged hot till thay started to sell hot ,any way no one takes any notice of himmm as black is wihte till you agre with him
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ewwwan used to work for brodx who slaged hot till thay started to sell hot ,any way no one takes any notice of himmm as black is wihte till you agre with him
Yes Tomy, but he likes to pretend he has a business and pretend he doesn't work for Brodex. Funny old world with funny people like him in it. ::)
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So why did you email me Dozy when youd booked your eurostar tickets to say you were visiting and that you were going to pop in and spend a day or two with Ewan over Xmas?
Sounds like you've changed your plans now?
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So why did you email me Dozy when youd booked your eurostar tickets to say you were visiting and that you were going to pop in and spend a day or two with Ewan over Xmas?
Sounds like you've changed your plans now?
Stop it Bateman ::) ;D
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Well Ewan, I have been telling people that for years and just recently have been corrected by two separate customers. These two customers had my Hotwash trolley out on trial and both had not heard any marketing bumf that it was supposed to be quicker or use less water, but that was what both of them reported back, along with the hoses been easier to manage. Do you use hot water yourself? If so I am interested in the detergents you use, what are they?
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
Peter I agree with what you have been saying for years, I don’t see why that should change just because you have decided to sell a heated system.
Hi again Ewan. I have not changed my mind because I have decided to sell hot systems. I decided to sell hot systems because of the weather changing for the worse in the last two winters. I had people coming to my workshop last January that hadn't been able to work with their system for 6 weeks, and that is the reason I decided to go hot. I also wanted to give them something that was much less money to buy than £2000, as most of the people in trouble last year could never have afforded to pay out that sort of money.
I am always open to change, and don't mind admitting when I have been wrong. I was looking at it from the angle that the results were the same hot verses cold, and it was brought to my attention that although the results ARE the same, the amount of water and the time is reduced in achieving they same results.
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
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if next winter is bad, im saving for a hot water fed pole set up if they can work down to -6c as seems to be the case, from what others have said on here! ;)
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A cold system at the moment is almost unusable a hot 1 will keep you working,that in itself should be enough to make you buy 1.My advise to any serious newbie would be to start off with hot,and as for it spotting more that made me LMAO.
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@ NWH...
Whats the lowest temp you have worked down to with your hot system ?
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How do you know Ewan? You aren't a window cleaner.
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It's not worth it for just a few weeks a year.
Cold does the same job 49 or 50 weeks a year for free.
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I think everyone agrees that hot and cold both do the same job but does hot make the job quicker and easier?
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It's not worth it for just a few weeks a year.
Cold does the same job 49 or 50 weeks a year for free.
Not here in Scotland it doesn't. Six weeks last winter, and around 3 weeks already this winter and still Jan, Feb, and March to go. Yes cold does do the same job but slower with more water. I would completely agree with you its not worth it, but loosing 6 weeks work a year, its sure worth spending a couple of hundred pound.
Squeaky it wasn't long ago that the water fed pole was not worth it as far as you were concerned.
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
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The results can be the same cleaning with cold or hot, but the time difference favours cold for regular work, that’s without question.
I would question that. I would recon that hot is faster although I have not personally experienced it. I do know for a fact that most things clean more effectively with hot as opposed to cold water. I would think a washing machine using cold water would either have a longer wash cycle, or a stronger detergent.
I also have the word of my two customers, who I would regard as very experienced water fed pole window cleaners, who clean windows 5 days a week 8 hours a day.
BTW what detergents do you use?
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
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Ok Peter
Rarely use any detergents now peter; I’ve tried allsorts liquid and powder.
I still have a soft bottle hose and Y connector handy just in case, splice it into you hose when you need it use as much or as little detergent as you want very easy to use and set up and cost only a few pounds.
I’m going to delete this because it sounds like DIY
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Peter I like to keep an open mind, so can you explain why you think hot water cleans quicker for regular work, I’m guessing it uses less water because you think it is quicker.
One of the chaps I mentioned reckoned the water was sheeting more than beading on certain glass, and also ran off the window more effectively. I can understand the water coming off the glass better as water looses its ability to hold itself together as it heats up, so running off the glass better. I am not sure but think of the extremities ice and steam. And it is common knowledge that you are more likely to see a spot on the window when a bead of water dries in as opposed to a window that sheets.
I did do a lot of experimenting with detergents in the summer particularly non ionic surfactants, and would be interested in what detergents you are successfully using. I have came across some interesting findings, but had to put it on hold to get the hot system up and running, but hope to get back to it soon.
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
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Stu Mac please don’t alter my post
I didn't ;) would you like me to delete it I am only messing around
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Ok Peter
Rarely use any detergents now peter; I’ve tried allsorts liquid and powder.
I still have a soft bottle hose and Y connector handy just in case, splice it into you hose when you need it use as much or as little detergent as you want very easy to use and set up and cost only a few pounds.
I’m going to delete this because it sounds like DIY
Whoops ;D
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Stu Mac please don’t alter my post
I didn't ;) would you like me to delete it I am only messing around
No Stu Mac I like your idea, I don’t think I will try it, DIY is not my thing
;D
anyway peter any chance of a heater on tick
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anyway peter any chance of a heater on tick
I am sure something could be arranged.
Peter
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Peter I like to keep an open mind, so can you explain why you think hot water cleans quicker for regular work, I’m guessing it uses less water because you think it is quicker.
One of the chaps I mentioned reckoned the water was sheeting more than beading on certain glass, and also ran off the window more effectively. I can understand the water coming off the glass better as water looses its ability to hold itself together as it heats up, so running off the glass better. I am not sure but think of the extremities ice and steam. And it is common knowledge that you are more likely to see a spot on the window when a bead of water dries in as opposed to a window that sheets.
I did do a lot of experimenting with detergents in the summer particularly non ionic surfactants, and would be interested in what detergents you are successfully using. I have came across some interesting findings, but had to put it on hold to get the hot system up and running, but hope to get back to it soon.
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
Sounds like the same thing I looked into heat won’t always melt certain grease/oil etc
Combination of heated water the right detergent and scrubbing brush comes down to identifying the type of dirt and using the right detergent.
What will you use to apply the detergent if you get back to offering it as part of your kit? I found the small inline filters not very good
I was working on an additive that goes in the tank and mixes with the pure water. Not for any particular contaminants on the glass, more to make the water do what I want it to do.
Peter
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anyway peter any chance of a heater on tick
I am sure something could be arranged.
Peter
I wasn't being serious peter I will be buying one shortly, soon as I have the funds. It just seems a no brainer to me that hot is the way to go. I will get xmas out the road and be in touch. but thanks anyway always appreciated
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To all those with hot WFP how much quicker on average would you say it is compared with cold.
Apart from being able to work in lower temperatures would you say it is worth the investment.
Cheers,
Andy.
It not quicker on regular maintenance cleans, that’s then marketing working from the manufacturers for you to assume that.
Heated water can be quicker on first cleans, but not always and it’s also useful to have for certain types of dirt, but you can use a detergent with cold water which is better than heated water alone anyway.
Look at the cleaning cycles on your washing machine, some won’t even use warm water, but they will use a detergent.
Depending on how you use heated water the question could also be how much longer does it take to clean.
This is for energy rating purposes you plonker ;D ;D ::) ::)
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;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Entertaining though! ;) ;D ;D
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You could say that ;)
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How many times can you be wrong winproclean
I’m talking about the water temp
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No Stu Mac I like your idea, I don’t think I will try it, DIY is not my thing
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Sounds like the same thing I looked into heat won’t always melt certain grease/oil etc
Combination of heated water the right detergent and scrubbing brush comes down to identifying the type of dirt and using the right detergent.
What will you use to apply the detergent if you get back to offering it as part of your kit? I found the small inline filters not very good
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Stu Mac please don’t alter my post
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Peter I like to keep an open mind, so can you explain why you think hot water cleans quicker for regular work, I’m guessing it uses less water because you think it is quicker.
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That's a lot of posts, Mr Flagman...
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I agree if the winters are going to cause more delays than previous years having a heated system makes it much easier to justify and get the return on the cost.
The results can be the same cleaning with cold or hot, but the time difference favours cold for regular work, that’s without question. Try to keep up the pace when using a hot system against a cold system and your results with suffer.
Not in the winter though.
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To all those with hot WFP how much quicker on average would you say it is compared with cold.
Apart from being able to work in lower temperatures would you say it is worth the investment.
Cheers,
Andy.
It not quicker on regular maintenance cleans, that’s then marketing working from the manufacturers for you to assume that.
Heated water can be quicker on first cleans, but not always and it’s also useful to have for certain types of dirt, but you can use a detergent with cold water which is better than heated water alone anyway.
Look at the cleaning cycles on your washing machine, some won’t even use warm water, but they will use a detergent.
Depending on how you use heated water the question could also be how much longer does it take to clean.
This is for energy rating purposes you plonker ;D ;D ::) ::)
How many times can you be wrong winproclean
I’m talking about the water temp
So am I you idiot! ;D ::)
You are actually talking total tripe just for the sake of trying to look clever Ewan. You're talking about using detergents with wfp! ::) time consuming, unnecessary nonsense!
Which you would know of course if you were a wfp operative. ::)
What a joke you are Ewan.
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That's a lot of posts, Mr Flagman...
;D
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To all those with hot WFP how much quicker on average would you say it is compared with cold.
Apart from being able to work in lower temperatures would you say it is worth the investment.
Cheers,
Andy.
Dont make it worth the extra money then
It not quicker on regular maintenance cleans, that’s then marketing working from the manufacturers for you to assume that.
Heated water can be quicker on first cleans, but not always and it’s also useful to have for certain types of dirt, but you can use a detergent with cold water which is better than heated water alone anyway.
Look at the cleaning cycles on your washing machine, some won’t even use warm water, but they will use a detergent.
Depending on how you use heated water the question could also be how much longer does it take to clean.
Well Ewan, I have been telling people that for years and just recently have been corrected by two separate customers. These two customers had my Hotwash trolley out on trial and both had not heard any marketing bumf that it was supposed to be quicker or use less water, but that was what both of them reported back, along with the hoses been easier to manage. Do you use hot water yourself? If so I am interested in the detergents you use, what are they?
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
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The reason it is quicker is because you will have far more confidence when you`ve cleaned a window and walked away from it in the fact that over time you`ll begin to realise that all that scrubbing in the past you used to do with cold was not needed,so why will you be quicker you`ll be quicker cos a couple of scrubbs on the glass with the brush on and you`ll know it`s clean.You cannot compare a cold system to a hot 1,when your using hot and i mean hot water the difference is massive on any type of work.