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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Pure Shine Window Cleaning on November 25, 2010, 08:48:04 pm
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Hi I'm looking to start up a window cleaning business. Had ionic's around today showing me their pro 6 system and have got brod x coming tomorrow to show me one of their systems. Wondered what the general consensus of opinion was between ionic and brodex system. Also the guy from Ionic tells me that I only need to buy a 30 feet pole to start with. Should I pay a bit more and get the 40feet glider?
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You got some money to burn ;D
30ft is more thank enough mate, i use a 17ft'er all day long and get out my bigger one on odd windows. Even then its rarely over 30ft.
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build ur self a diy and get 28 clx
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get the cleaning warehouse or pure freedom to fit a system, you will be looking at £2500 for an excellent system then get a clx or slx from gardiners, and you will be fine
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get the cleaning warehouse or pure freedom to fit a system, you will be looking at £2500 for an excellent system then get a clx or slx from gardiners, and you will be fine
agreed
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get the cleaning warehouse or pure freedom to fit a system, you will be looking at £2500 for an excellent system then get a clx or slx from gardiners, and you will be fine
thats what i would do if i were you
you gona save alot of money how much did ionics quote you :?
if its domestic you plan on doing
get 2 poles 1 18 foot which you will use the most and 1 30 foot which you will not use so often thats what i got
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So no-one would go for a brodex or ionic system then? All the vans around my area have ionic systems in them thats why i was looking at them. Thanks for all the advice keep it coming
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So no-one would go for a brodex or ionic system then?
Expensive option, they tend to attract newbies.
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So no-one would go for a brodex or ionic system then?
Expensive option, they tend to attract newbies.
argreed
You will find that there arnt many on here that have ionics systems, its not that they arnt good but they are expecsive compared to a system from a smaller supplier that will be just as good, alot on here put together there own systems, i looked down that route you can assemble a top quality system for £1000 with a 4040 RO, but i ended up getting my system from the cleaning warehouse in wolverhampton, it was there top system, 20" pre filters 4040 ro 2 man setup with reels all fitted in my van for £2650.
You can go for ionics and have there logo on your van, but you will be paying an awful lot more for system that wont be any better than the one i got.
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pure freedom for either a van system or trolley system.22ft CLX gardiners pole or 25ft SLX.that should start you off on the right foot!! ;) ;D ;D
DAZMOND
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I would go to pure freedom or the other one that was mentioned. I Diy'ed mine but it was a hassle. If you have the cash and are not that good at diy then I would get one fitted. As for poles, I would just get one, a 30 foot slx from gardiners. I went and got a 17 foot xtel and a 25 foot slx. The 17 foot pole never comes out of the van! the slx gets used for everything, But I wish I went for the 30 footer as its a stretch on 3 storey town houses, and I believe the closed length is still the same as the 25 footer.
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Once you understand a wfp system and who sells them you will find it impossible to see where your money went with the heavily marketed systems out there.
Its like going in a posh hotel bar and paying £9.50 for a pint of lager when you know its only £2.50 in your local.
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how much were you quoted ? i bet we have saved you a few quid already 8)
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Once you understand a wfp system and who sells them you will find it impossible to see where your money went with the heavily marketed systems out there.
Its like going in a posh hotel bar and paying £9.50 for a pint of lager when you know its only £2.50 in your local.
excellent analogy!
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for the ionic pro-6 600ltr a big fat £7300
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GULP...pure freedom all the way
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Bloody hell, u could get a van and a hot system for that!! (depending on age/size of van)
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thats with vat and i get a free pole, o joy!!!!!!
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pure freedom are doing 1000liters fully kitted 2 man (no hot wash) with ro everything for £3k
also if you are new to window cleaning they are offering a training course for an extra small fee.
i hope we have been of help to you.!
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yes you all have thanks lots for that, the big thing that gets me is the hole crash test prob. what with having the kids in the van and all.
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guys guys guys, lets not forget to tell the man that he will be killed in a head on crash with any cheaper system and there really is a reason they are more expensive!
oh its a difficult one isnt it, im sure ionics do a cheaper range that is still crash tested.
personaly I would not have a system in a van me or my staff were driving that wasnt crash tested.
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thanks for that lee i will give ionic a ring in the morn and ask.
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I remember reading on here someone that crash tested there own, not intentionally, but the tank didn't move.
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pure freedom are doing 1000liters fully kitted 2 man (no hot wash) with ro everything for £3k
also if you are new to window cleaning they are offering a training course for an extra small fee.
i hope we have been of help to you.!
how much do you think that 1tonne of water will weigh at even just 20mph? alot thats how much, these cages and bolts these companies are useing are a complete joke and will do nothing in a crash except snap.
Ionics can source a used van in as new condition, speedliner the floor, fit a system, sign write the van and make it into a single monthly payment, true their poles are crap, but they do do the best cages and tanks fact. I had a brand new trafic, and pro 5 650l 2 man setup for £360 a month over 5 years, payed off now and have never had any of the problems that i always read about on here, and the van has only done 38k on and 05 plate and still goes out every day.
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Aren't the Ionics systems only tested at max 30 miles an hour anyway? if your traveling in an Ionics fitted van over this speed nothings guaranteed anyway is it?
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That is one thing they do have crash testing... but pure freedom are almost to the crash testing stage
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Pryor, do you work for ionics? ;)
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pure freedom are doing 1000liters fully kitted 2 man (no hot wash) with ro everything for £3k
also if you are new ;) window cleaning they are offering a training course for an extra small fee.
i hope we have been of help to you.!
I hope they are paying you alot for this advertisement ?
the cleaningwarehouse are also doing a 2 man 650 for 2.5k as you said too i just didnt see a price for a 1k and wanted to show him that he could get more water for less basically .
i was just pointing it out dont wana advertise sorry
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Warren, ionics and brodex, both very over priced, they are all the same at the end of the day, some just wrapped in a posh casing!
I had a brodex system when I first started, big mistake, worst customer service I ever experienced, to a point we fell out and was refused to be served when I needed any spares etc!
I got rid of it and got an omnipole system, was 4 years ago, but then was £2300 fully fitted, and the way that is fitted, there is no way that's budging!
I would say have a look at freedom, I'm going to for my next van.
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The chap from ionic said it cost them £300,000 for the crash test.
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The chap from ionic said it cost them £300,000 for the crash test.
I used to be in sales too!!!
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ionics crash tested a 1000l system at 30mph, now if im going faster than that i would still rather have that than one that isnt, also the tank goes down during the day and so does the danger.
there finace pakages are very good to, nice new van top of the range system and no problems, thats the way I like it.
At the moment I also have through them a renault master with 1000l 2 man set up, speedliner floor, great sign writting, the works. cost me £500 a month over 5 years wich is nothing to the 8k a month its turning over, and it can easily carry all the other kits, jet wash, gutter vac and so on, it really is the daddy of wfp vehicles and systems.
as with most things in life there is always something cheaper, but thats not always the way to do it, at the end of the day, its the tool you earn your living with, it can never be too good. I would rather have a new vehicle with a safe system, simple.
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Well Lee that sounds good to me, if i have to pick up my kid in the van i need to know they are safe.
Do you think i should get the 30ft glyder?
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no actually I think ionic are crap for everything else, gardiner pole systems have the best poles and at great prices, we only use them now, clx range is good for the money, recomend going for the 18ft and 27ft.
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I have my lad in my van, I know he's safe.
Before you make your mind up up tho, just look thro the sales pitch, and see if you can go look at some of the other lads systems.
Had mine over 4 years, my van was 2 yrs old, both never ever let me down, together cost me £7300. I paid cash, got no debts.
Money I saved went towards my M3! ;-)
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Hi Lee, would it be ok to give you a ring some time and have a chat? i am up in the north east so i am not on your door step. Thanks Warren.
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Hi I'm looking to start up a window cleaning business. Had ionic's around today showing me their pro 6 system and have got brod x coming tomorrow to show me one of their systems. Wondered what the general consensus of opinion was between ionic and brodex system. Also the guy from Ionic tells me that I only need to buy a 30 feet pole to start with. Should I pay a bit more and get the 40feet glider?
That will be a big debt to start with.
Over engineered to justify the price tag IMO.
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Did you know that the Vauxhall vivaro // the Renault Traffic the Nissan Primstar
and possibly other companies have the same chasis and susspention and stearing
oh what the heck there the same vans.
so why do they have to all be crash tested ?
possibly because they have different badges on them.
so my point is its ok to say my systems 100% safe in a vivaro because it was crash tested,
so its safe in a traffic and a primstar.
I would be told by the crash testing commpany sorry no because they are different vans
please pay an extra £600.000 please
why do you think Ford, Vauxhall, Nissan, Renault etc pay Millions of pounds on crash testing
beacuse although eg ford have differnt models of fiesta the all have to be crash tested.
forget the van crash test it the cadges that need to be tested after all if the cadge is not up to scratch what the point .
hope who reads this gets my point.
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Did you know that the Vauxhall vivaro // the Renault Traffic the Nissan Primstar
and possibly other companies have the same chasis and susspention and stearing
oh what the heck there the same vans.
so why do they have to all be crash tested ?
possibly because they have different badges on them.
so my point is its ok to say my systems 100% safe in a vivaro because it was crash tested,
so its safe in a traffic and a primstar.
I would be told by the crash testing commpany sorry no because they are different vans
please pay an extra £600.000 please
why do you think Ford, Vauxhall, Nissan, Renault etc pay Millions of pounds on crash testing
beacuse although eg ford have differnt models of fiesta the all have to be crash tested.
forget the van crash test it the cadges that need to be tested after all if the cadge is not up to scratch what the point .
hope who reads this gets my point.
I think the crash test is for the system mate, not the van itself! ;D
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Well Lee that sounds good to me, if i have to pick up my kid in the van i need to know they are safe.
Do you think i should get the 30ft glyder?
When you need help and want the answer to window cleaning problems this forum is the place to be. You seemingly have managed to ignore and dismiss most of the advice offered so far.
If you want to be really smart get a calculator and work out how many years earlier you can retire if you dont pay double or triple the cost neccesary for equipment and channel the savings into your own pocket.
I think your just on here stroking your ego
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then why do companys say this sytem is safe in your van and wont kill you
ok the crash test says the cage is safe as you say it was tested for
but this guy said he wants his kids to be safe
is it the same van that was tested bet not
that was my piont not the same vans
so whats the piont of crash test ing in a van
some vans have very little chasis to bolt through
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I have a DIY system 650l tank and use heavy duty ratchet straps, I also have a factory fitted bulkhead, there is know way I would pay out for an Ionics fitted system no matter how successfully my business was.
Personally I'd be more worried about the weight of a vehicle heading towards me than what's behind me, of cause you need to think about restraining the tank but I think Ionics are really playing on the issue, why do most insurance company's single out window cleaners RE the professionally fitted systems, the DIY system is becoming harder to insure thanks to whom, statistics or prompting from the leading Interest in so called safe systems? There are other professions carrying loads at similar weights that don't even give it a second thought I.E. builders etc.
As for the kid's in the van scenario I have 4 kid's with the youngest 14 and I worry more about him riding his bicycle on the road than sitting in my van and getting a lift to school, there is a risk in everything you do in life, and sometimes the best you can sensibly do is eliminate the most likely.
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If you must choose between Ionics or Brodex. I would go with Ionics. I currently have a brodex di system; but I use ionics filters and poles.
Having dealt with both firms; ionics seems to have the better customer care.
Rather than have a complete RO system. I opted for a DI unit which I use as a delivery system. I purchased the filters and RO from IONICS (4040); which i have set up in the garage. This way i can make water whilst i'm working. Also, I dont have to worry about frost damage.
Its not rocket science, setting up the RO system extremely easy.
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I have a DIY system 650l tank and use heavy duty ratchet straps, I also have a factory fitted bulkhead, there is know way I would I pay out for an Ionics fitted system no matter how successfully my business was.
Personally I'd be more worried about the weight of a vehicle heading heading towards me than what's behind me, of cause you need to think about restraining the tank but I think Ionics are really playing on the issue, why do most insurance company's single out window cleaners RE the professionally fitted systems, the DIY system is becoming harder to insure thanks to whom, statistics or prompting from the leading Interest in so called safe systems? There are other professions carrying loads at similar weights that don't even give it a second thought I.E. builders etc.
As for the kid's in the van scenario I have 4 kid's with the youngest 14 and I worry more about him riding his bicycle on the road than sitting in my van and getting a lift to school, there is a risk in everything you do in life, and sometimes the best you can sensibly do is eliminate the most likely.
that is an excellent point, a van has a set payload, so it can carry that ammount in the back of it, a builder/courier or whoever doesnt have to have their loads strapped down or bolted through the chassis.
I have never been worried about my system going anywhere, when you see the plates that have been put in underneath the van and the construction of the frame, it is built like a tank.
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Hi I'm looking to start up a window cleaning business. Had ionic's around today showing me their pro 6 system and have got brod x coming tomorrow to show me one of their systems. Wondered what the general consensus of opinion was between ionic and brodex system. Also the guy from Ionic tells me that I only need to buy a 30 feet pole to start with. Should I pay a bit more and get the 40feet glider?
do you actually have any work yet? if not why are you considering spending thousands on a wfp system let along an ionics system. Why not invest in some ladders and trad equipment and see how you get on for a few months first?
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Ionics use scare tactics IMO to gain sales. It ALWAYS goes down the "we've had ours crash tested it must be safer if we've done that".
Fact is if you're system is fitted by a dealer (you take your life in your hands if you do it yourself with ratchet straps) their business is on the line if they supply you something that contravenes either the law or safety regulations.
I have a Pure Freedom system fitted in my van and thinks its the dogs danglies. Didnt cost me the ridiculous and plain stupid sum of money Ionics cough up. I do think it was a tad over the mark but not entirely off the radar.
Aquafactors (another van-mount supplier) are based 3 miles from us, their quote was equally ridiculous. They wanted £500 to fit a split charge relay ! ???
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Depending on when you're planning to start, bear in mind that Gardiners are planning to restart work on their super zero systems in spring. They are crash tested and will be a damned sight less than the price you've been quoted. I can't see how Ionics justify the premium, but as long as people pay it, they'll charge it.
When people tell me they have load straps holding their tank back, bear this in mind. When Gardiners first built what they thought was a well designed crash-proof system, it came straight through the bulkhead. The video was horrific. Now, that was their first go, based on good engineering advice and it still failed miserably so they completely redesigned it. Consider the potential for the failure of a system build on the back of another window cleaner saying "straps will be fine". You won't get a second chance to redesign it.
Finally it seems to me that the economics are simple. If you're going to end up using the system for the next eight years on your van, the cost is pretty irrelevant. If you start up and give up in three months, it'll hurt you for a long time. Buying it as a cold start is ambitious, but if you have the drive to make your business succeed, it might work out.
I should stress that I'm in no way a fan of Ionics (for many reasons).
Vin
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Aren't the Ionics systems only tested at max 30 miles an hour anyway? if your traveling in an Ionics fitted van over this speed nothings guaranteed anyway is it?
Yes and the car you drive in is tested at 40, so nothing's guaranteed above that either.
Vin
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Finally it seems to me that the economics are simple. If you're going to end up using the system for the next eight years on your van, the cost is pretty irrelevant. If you start up and give up in three months, it'll hurt you for a long time. Buying it as a cold start is ambitious, but if you have the drive to make your business succeed, it might work out.
Just reread this and it doesn't reflect my feelings properly, so I'll clarify.
I think you're taking a huge risk spending that much money before you have a customer.
Vin
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I'm with Vin.
I have an Ionics system in one van and diy in the other and if i was to go again i would probably diy unless i had felt wealthy and would go for a Gardiners jobby. I am delivery only so the expense is less, however the Gardiners system is half the money of Ionics.
The Ionics systems are crash tested in a Transit,mine was fitted in a Trafic and now a Transporter so the crash test,imo,is worthless. Just for the record,my system in the Trafic was fitted by Ionics and was only bolted through the chassis at the front,the back two bolts, which are the most important ones,were through the floor.
I thought it had been a while since the crash test questions had surfaced!
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Finally it seems to me that the economics are simple. If you're going to end up using the system for the next eight years on your van, the cost is pretty irrelevant. If you start up and give up in three months, it'll hurt you for a long time. Buying it as a cold start is ambitious, but if you have the drive to make your business succeed, it might work out.
Just reread this and it doesn't reflect my feelings properly, so I'll clarify.
I think you're taking a huge risk spending that much money before you have a customer.
Vin
Totally agree with Vin here.
When i started, it was an old escort van and 250ltr system. then worked damn hard knocking doors getting customers
I would 1st ask someone if you can go out with them, especially while we have this cold snap! Believe me, its no fun in the freezing cold, split skin on ya hands, some days earning no money (but you would still have to pay the finance on that ionics system), and dont forget, we are still in a recession!!
Dont want to put you off, its the best business move i ever done starting up, but its not for everyone, especially in the winters!!!
Im in Manchester and your welcome to come out with me :)
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it might be ok for lee pryor to throw loads of money at ionics if he s earning 8 grand a month!! :o :o
most of us average established windies dont earn anywhere near that much a month....and as for the guy who asked the question in the first place do you have any customers??
dazmond
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mick i thought you built your round on leaflets?get some decent gloves then you dont get any split skin on hands!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
if he goes down the ionic route without a custy i can see him going the way of many others!(full system up on ebay within 6 months!!)with a big hole in his wallet!!
i agree with you mick
dazmond
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Hi ya Daz,
when i 1st started, i just come outa bankruptcy so was skint, door knocking was the only option, got my first few custies, then 1st months money put it all into leaflets.
Then just repeated the process!!..aiming to get 80k of leaflets out next year, big push next year, for all services, and maybe bigger van!!
Onwards and upwards!!!!
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Sod ionics and their rip off prices :o
As said before go with the cleaning warehouse good systems at good prices nuff said ;)
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http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/pure-freedom-fully-fitted-water-fed-pole-systems-p-296.html
These are bang tidy
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Hi I'm looking to start up a window cleaning business. Had ionic's around today showing me their pro 6 system and have got brod x coming tomorrow to show me one of their systems. Wondered what the general consensus of opinion was between ionic and brodex system. Also the guy from Ionic tells me that I only need to buy a 30 feet pole to start with. Should I pay a bit more and get the 40feet glider?
just starting buy a basic installed system from the likes of pure freedom and a decent 2nd hand van
both have got to last you4-6 years
in a few years if you have made a go of it
you and your accountant will have to decide when to go for a new van and the big branded wfp systems
thats who there market is really for
good luck
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Daz thats what lee pryor gets from just that one van but not all in his pocket as you know
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hi, i have a used ionic system and van for sale in the buy and sell used equipment section of the forum
the post is titled top of the range van and system for sale
feel free to contact me if your interested or would like a chat. simon@ultrapureclean.com
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There is a lot of salt on this forum mind ;)
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You can have an ionics fitted system for a fraction of the cost.
www.pure2o.co.uk
You don't get the fancy filter but the're expesive to run. You get a standard one. Its the same warehouse as ionics. You just don't get to use the logo and it's thousands cheaper.
If you really want crash testing AND don't want ripping off get a pure20 badged ionics from ionics.
Simples.
I have a dangerous ratchet strapped diy which I hope to replace with a pure freedom.
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Hey, there just over a grand more than purefreedom.
So 1k buys you the crash test. Not too bad I guess.
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cant wait to see another ionics system and van on ebay. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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ionics crash tested a 1000l system at 30mph, now if im going faster than that i would still rather have that than one that isnt, also the tank goes down during the day and so does the danger.
there finace pakages are very good to, nice new van top of the range system and no problems, thats the way I like it.
At the moment I also have through them a renault master with 1000l 2 man set up, speedliner floor, great sign writting, the works. cost me £500 a month over 5 years wich is nothing to the 8k a month its turning over, and it can easily carry all the other kits, jet wash, gutter vac and so on, it really is the daddy of wfp vehicles and systems.
as with most things in life there is always something cheaper, but thats not always the way to do it, at the end of the day, its the tool you earn your living with, it can never be too good. I would rather have a new vehicle with a safe system, simple.
The only issue I would have with Ionics about this stuff is that they tend to use Trafics as the next one down from the Master. As we both know, the gearboxes can be a big issue and they can get expensive to run as the mileage climbs. It would help a bit if they did Transits or the Hiace IMO.
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I crash tested my Omnipole system a few weeks ago by reversing into a mini skip.
The tank didn't budge.
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I had a DIY strapped layflat 650 in my last van and was fairly confident it was safe. I now have a 650 upright - no way would I DIY that - the centre of gavity is so much higher. Now got the Purefreedom installation and very happy with that.
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I would love to talk on a thread one day and it not to end up as a conversation about my income!!!!! the point I was making was that given the monthly turnover a van can generate a few hundred a month is easily outweighed.
I would like to point out that when I started it was also winter and I started my business for £200 in a January and worked trad up a ladder for nearly 2 years untill I had a full round, I then got my first van and had the work in place to pay for it. I then got through 5 days work in 3 days and so was able to take on more business and so on. I really think that going straight to wfp without any customers is a bad financial move, unless you have the money to spend of course. I think its also good to learn trad methods and the correct way to use a ladder and so on.
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you mentioned your income lee!!most of us dont earn anywhere near that much!! ;D ;D ;D
i do agree he should get a 500quid van/ladders/scrim and get some custies first!then save up for a squeegee and so on and so on!!until he arrives at a pure freedom system!then he will have truely ARRIVED!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
DAZMOND
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I would love to talk on a thread one day and it not to end up as a conversation about my income!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Lee it was only mentioned in passing (but by yourself ;D if you didnt want it uttered why did you tell us your vans do 8K a month?) anyway everyone else had forgotten about it. And you're the one who informed us all you were going to advertise on televison, we all look up to you now as you're the one who sets the bar for others to aim for ;)
Methinks you like to be big fishy. Me also thinks you like everyone to think it too ;D
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I would love to talk on a thread one day and it not to end up as a conversation about my income!!!!!
Then dont mention your income, it comes across that you have a massive ego and like to slip in how much you earn, if you dont mention it then the thread wont end up in a conversation about how much you earn!!!!!
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Matt, bite me! you know you love me really.
I have never mentioned my income, only turnover, in fact I have never actually said what that is either. turnover and income are not the same BTW ;D
To be honest I dont care what people think, it seems that if you have anything from Ionic that people say your wasting money, or you must have money to burn and stuff like that, fact is there a good company. We may get another van next year and I would go for a 2 or 3 year old long wheelbase trafic, and have a look at gardiners systems. Alot of people rate pure freedom, so I would give them a call to, as I try to keep an open mind.
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Course I love you s'only a bit of jesting ;D
How many vans have you got btw Lee. On your site it I see 4 lined up, but I reckon thats just an image your web-designer has put together. In other pics you only have one van and all the bods you employ look like the same bod in each picture, so from that I deduce one van.
Which is it Lee? 1, 4 or some other number?
;)
Matt
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I remember reading on here someone that crash tested there own, not intentionally, but the tank didn't move.
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that was one of my guys, facelift system, now all our systems are fitted by x-line, just as safe, but nearer to me and very helpful
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Course I love you s'only a bit of jesting ;D
How many vans have you got btw Lee. On your site it I see 4 lined up, but I reckon thats just an image your web-designer has put together. In other pics you only have one van and all the bods you employ look like the same bod in each picture, so from that I deduce one van.
Which is it Lee? 1, 4 or some other number?
;)
Matt
Its not 1 and its not 4......... If I told you it would only spoil your fun! ;) That web site is 3 years old anyway and is on the list of things to update and renew, I think its a bit crap actually. But all the spare money is going on my new project so it will have to wait.
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I like the site lee you got a nice canvassing idea too do you offer them £1 per customer for as long as the customer stays with you ? so say if a canvasser got you 500 customers would you be paying him £500 per month as long as they all stay?
Sorry for going off the main topic
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Course I love you s'only a bit of jesting ;D
How many vans have you got btw Lee. On your site it I see 4 lined up, but I reckon thats just an image your web-designer has put together. In other pics you only have one van and all the bods you employ look like the same bod in each picture, so from that I deduce one van.
Which is it Lee? 1, 4 or some other number?
;)
Matt
Its not 1 and its not 4......... If I told you it would only spoil your fun! ;) That web site is 3 years old anyway and is on the list of things to update and renew, I think its a bit crap actually. But all the spare money is going on my new project so it will have to wait.
lee yr guys would look much better in uniform trousers
instead of jeans m8 but yr site is top m8 ;)
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for the ionic pro-6 600ltr a big fat £7300
I didn't pay that £4,500 fitted 12/06/09 pro6 600lt
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for the ionic pro-6 600ltr a big fat £7300
And don't forget the very expensive (about 95 pound?) colour change DI filter that needs changing more often than it should be.
The main benefit of an Ionic System is, that in my opinion, they fit it extremely well, compared to some of the others (like Facelift) that I have seen. Other than fitting, they are definately no better than many others out there.
From what I read on Brodex - their service after you have bought is virtually non existent :-\
By the look of purefreedom, you will quickly understand all of the parts associated with it, you can buy spares from many internet sites if needed, so you won't be stuck for long if your system fails, as you will easily locate, recieve and replace YOURSELF most components overnite at the latest.
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For freaks sake! The pure2o ionics are crash tested and have a cheap to run filter.
If its a must to have crash testing get one of those.
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lets Get this Crash test discusion ended
If any one has had a crash in a untested system tell us on here
speed what the hit etc
I was told that Pure Freedom has had two WFP systems in crashes and lived to tell the tail
one hit a skip head on at 30mph
and another this year was hit and the van did a 360 in the middle if the road
if any other wfp people on here has had any systems in crashes tell us
and it hope fully tell us all on here even untested systems are safe
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lets Get this Crash test discusion ended
If any one has had a crash in a untested system tell us on here
speed what the hit etc
I was told that Pure Freedom has had two WFP systems in crashes and lived to tell the tail
one hit a skip head on at 30mph
and another this year was hit and the van did a 360 in the middle if the road
if any other wfp people on here has had any systems in crashes tell us
and it hope fully tell us all on here even untested systems are safe
I've said enough times, if you hit something hard enough front -on to force a tank through a steel bulkhead you'd be squashed at the front anyway.
No point worrying about it. ;)
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Ionics why because its still the only system that is crash tested by thatcham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXV2ZOZSyR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abVEmQzvdz8 ............TO me this is only the system that is tested.
http://www.ionicsystems.com/english/crash_testing.html
http://www.ionicsystems.com/english/crash_testing_development_tests.html
http://www.ionicsystems.com/english/crash_testing_barrier.html Van and system.
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i had a head on smash with a 400 lit diy system at about 20 mph, didnt do any thing to system execpt rip my reel out of the floor
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Quite right Bluemonkey...wasting your money...
Mine's up against the bulkhead and about two feet below me.
If it could go through it'd be under my feet anyway!
Unless physics has gone wrong and it jumps two feet in the air, then decides to press forwards through steel. ;D
Can you imagine what the front end would look like then? Mush. ;D
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an other thing i dont get is how a 1000 ltr ibc tank makes a van tip if being driven normally, fair enough if you are doing hand break turns but under normal driving it should tip
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Ionics why because its still the only system that is crash tested by thatcham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXV2ZOZSyR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abVEmQzvdz8 ............TO me this is only the system that is tested.
http://www.ionicsystems.com/english/crash_testing.html
http://www.ionicsystems.com/english/crash_testing_development_tests.html
http://www.ionicsystems.com/english/crash_testing_barrier.html Van and system.
I have been involved in Motor sport for 26 years as a incident marshal and now incident Officer. Our fire tenders have over 1000 lts of foam all have been tested the same way. The Fire Jaguar which gets up to speeds well over 130mph has 500 lts on Board, has been tested the same way. I was talking to some of the engineers at Silverstone and told them of Ionics systems and the way the bulk water is fitted and to them its a no brainer. Still if you hit something fast enough your brown bread anyway. But to have a cheap system fitted and have a slight bump with a tonne of water in your van and it comes forward and seriously injures your or god forbid kills you,just to save money. Ask ionics to show you pictures of vans that have been in accidents with their systems fitted.
I agree Ionic’s Crash Test is the real deal; sledge testing is usually done to test components where vehicle deformation doesn’t affect the components. Attaching a large and heavy tank of water to the vehicle chassis does need a full crash test and not only a simulated sledge test.
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Brodex are crash tested too according to their website.
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yes mate the system not system and van.
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Squeaky
A steel bulkhead will offer minimal protection in a crash with any sort of speed involved becuase of the sheer force generated by several hundred litres of water.
You may be OK if your tank is near empty, but it is a no-brainer to trust your bulkhead to protect from the kind of potential forces invovled.