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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: gr cleaning solutions on November 25, 2010, 11:34:13 am
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Morning i have been using cleansmart chem since i started carpet cleaning but i am wanting to use prochem as i have a local dealer to save on p&p. Im thinking off getting some pre spray and extraction solution for a pre spray i was going to get multi pro then for a extraction solution i was going to get the contract carpet extraction cleaner. Are these two good will they work good together ?
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pre spray gold and fibre and fabric rinse
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I find they do what they say on the tin,have only used Prochem stuff in the 7 years i have been running,Fib and fab rinse on 90% of the work i do,Mulit pro is better than it used to be,use that a lot,as well as p,s, gold,traffic clean,double clean,power burst,ultra pac,odour fresh,solvall,solvex
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On mingers power burst or ultra pac fib fab rinse. on most others pure clean pre spray warm to hot good agitation 15 min dwell machine is only really used for flushing thats me anyhow
also use a few of there spotters to most of the prochem stuff is good IMO
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Is there much difference between the acid rinses? I'm using Woodbridge's at the moment but have used Fib Fab in the past. Got to honest and say I don't give my acid rinse much thought!
Never had a problem with Prochem and think I will start using them again when my latest batch of chemical has run out.
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Acid rinse heres a thought what would happen if you added 100ml white vinegar with 50 ml of deoderiser then filled the rest up with water :o to make your 5 litre container.
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Acid rinse!
Rarely use it - I use environmentally friendly stuff most of the time so dont need it - still get the carpets clean the more friendly way.
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Acid rinse!
Rarely use it - I use environmentally friendly stuff most of the time so dont need it - still get the carpets clean the more friendly way.
More Ecotosh as usual Joe.
You just use low alkaline products like that Cornwall seawater you are always on about. Nothing to do with being environmantally friendly.
Acid rinse is a complete rip off. Do a ph test after cleaning a carpet with powerburst or something. Even with a little portable you will find it's near as damn it neutral.
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Actually Wynne, I dont use the Cornish seawater much at all, its the North Sea water variety I use most of the time ie Nemesis. ;)
So you not into Nem or MP, have you tried it? or are you one of those who have but didnt get a result so gave up. Funny how there are soooo many using either and get good results.
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Joe, no offense to anybody but I hear people on hear saying they get just as good results with a portable as someone with a TM, so then I know that 'good result' means different things to different people.
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Power burst, heat wave....truckmount and citrus gel that should cover most things!
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Pre spray with Multi pro then rinse with Fibre/Fabric rinse. :)
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Nothing wrong with Prochem. Mainly use their stuff and it has never let me down.
I've tried all the environmentally friendly stuff with very mixed results. It's OK on a relatively clean carpet, but it's not great on anything with bad traffic marks in my opinion.
I've also found that some of the Craftex chemicals are good too.
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for me my problem with some of prochem range and its normally the liquids is value. price in relation to dilution rates
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for me my problem with some of prochem range and its normally the liquids is value. price in relation to dilution rates
I would agree with that.
In terms of value for money/dilution rate M Power is probably one of the best.
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I read on here Mpower type products are derived from oil slick clean up technology. When I investigated this I found they stopped using it cos it was rubbish and killed more fauna than natural dispersion. I guess they had to find another way to make money out of it.
I will find the link and put it up.
I found another one even more scary. This bloke reckons it's the new asbestos! What an irony for Mrs Greens lungs.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/scientists-oppose-nano-dispersant-proposed-for-gulf/19495279
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thanks for all your replies if i use multi pro pre spray which is ph 10.5 would it be possible to rinse with an 8.5 or would the ph have to be lower ,sorry but Ive been reading back over about the ph rate and my head is bouncing
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I wouldn't get too hung up on it, that's for courses where you need maths and a pen and paper. Play it safe and don't use it on wool unless it's trashed. Put the rinse in your machine as directed on the container. As you get more experienced you will be putting a lot worse on trashed carpets. ;D
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I honestly beleive the cleaning is done with the quality of the prespray the agitation and dwell time in that order get that right and you will not end up in a years time with a shed full of chems ;)
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Thanks wynne all new to with prochem i just been using cleansmart chems and as the window cleaning side off the business is doing well im really getting into the carpet side and enjoying it
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I agree with Steve.
I like Powerburst and Pureclean and you need something to agitate the carpet a lot of guys start off with a SEBO DUO.
Once you've made some money you can get a truckmount and do an even better job. ;D
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im using a brush at the mo but the sebo dou is coming in the new year almost got the money saved up for that but the brush has kept me fit ;D
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Thats quiet a statement you make there Wynne and could be damaging to any person supplying the product. I have dug up some info re the two main products which we know as M-Power and Nemesis
M-Power® Carpet and Upholstery Cleaner, is:
Derived from renewable/sustainable sources
Fully Biodegradable
Exhibits anti-bacterial & anti-viral properties thanks to its unique natural-molecular cleaning action.
Non-toxic to humans and pets
Non-toxic to aquatic life
Non-reactive with chemicals, such as chlorine bleach
Non-caustic
Non-combustible
Non-corrosive
Non-flammable
Non-fuming,
Non-hazardous
Non-polluting
M-Power® Carpet and Upholstery Cleaner contains:
NO ammonia
NO animal products
NO Bacteria or Enzymes
NO artificial ingredients
NO isopropyl alcohol
NO phosphates
NO solvents (apart from water)
NO synthetic chemicals
NO harmful ingredients
NO Soap or detergents
non-flammable and non-fuming
non-toxic to mammals
non-toxic to aquatic life at recommended use dilutions
anti-oxidant in nature and will not oxidize or degrade metal, rubber, vinyl, plastic or glass
suitable for use as a protectant for metal, painted surfaces, fibre glass, plastic, rubber or vinyl.
It does not:
contain caustics such as sodium metasilicate
contain builders, such as foaming agents or re-agents like oxidizers or bleaches.
contain chlorinated solvents or any petroleum based derivatives
contain phosphates, silicones, acrylics or acetones
react with other chemistries, such as chlorine bleach to create toxic gases
contain glycol ethers
Harm fabrics
harm sewer bacteria
separate or precipitate out at freezing or superheat conditions
loose its strength from evaporation, unlike caustic or solvent based surfactant cleaners
contain hazardous VOC’s (Volatile Organic Compounds)
require special handling such as protective gloves or face masks
There is a Data Safety Sheet available.
Re Nemesis
it is:
non-flammable and non-fuming
non-toxic to mammals
non-toxic to aquatic life at recommended use dilutions
anti-oxidant in nature and will not oxidize or degrade metal, rubber, vinyl, plastic or glass
suitable for use as a protectant for metal, painted surfaces, fibre glass, plastic, rubber or vinyl.
It does not:
contain caustics such as sodium metasilicate
contain builders, such as foaming agents or re-agents like oxidizers or bleaches.
contain chlorinated solvents or any petroleum based derivatives
contain phosphates, silicones, acrylics or acetones
react with other chemistries, such as chlorine bleach to create toxic gases
contain glycol ethers
Harm fabrics
harm sewer bacteria
separate or precipitate out at freezing or superheat conditions
loose its strength from evaporation, unlike caustic or solvent based surfactant cleaners
contain hazardous VOC’s (Volatile Organic Compounds)
require special handling such as protective gloves or face masks
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I think there is enough info there for current users and future users to be reassured.
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Joe
I think it's important for people who are using these products to at least read some of the scientific communities views on products like this and I would say that not all agree with this just like GM foods. There is a big debate at that moment within the WHO as to whether other nanotechnology such as those used in deoderants should be halted, something which was previously considered benign and is now causing concern.
My view is that soap in one form or another has been around long enough to know it's not going to kill you 50 years down the line. I also know that these products have been round more than 20 years but non the less there is concern about potential health risks.
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There wasn't such a choice 30 years ago, Prochem were very much out on their own in the carpet & upholstery cleaning chem stakes. There were a few others like Stapro, but not quite in the same league. Most of Prochems products then were of a liquid variety whereas today they do have a fair amount of powder products.
There were also a good number of Cotton Velvet suites to be cleaned and the only way to so was to use solvent. Machinery for solvent use was expensive so most did them by hand, using natural sponges. It was a hazardous job because of the unhealthy flammable fumes, but it was a case of get on with it or turn the work down. I stopped solvent cleaning after deciding the health risk was just too great.
Modern chems are a lot milder, healthier and safer, whilst still achieving the desired result. Machinery is multiply more powerful and the physical effort easier.
Personally, I would place Prochem, Hydramaster and Alltec Chems in the same high class.
Dave.
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What I do know is that when I use some high ph stuff like Powerburst, UPR and others I get a chest problem.
With Nemesis an MPower - no problem.
Clients are expecting some strong smelling cleaning agent (cause thats what they got in the past), yet now they are surprised when I tell the cleaning fluid (chemical to them) is already down on thier carpet.
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Yes Joe you are right. Even modern chems can irritate the mucous membranes in the airways when atomised (airborne) whilst spraying when they are inevitably slightly inhaled, but in solution they are normally ok.
Dave.
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S.H.I.T Joe didn’t the ncca teach you anything about PPE regardless ;)
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Well I used MPower and Fusion8 today on a greasy sofa because my usual chems just weren't 'doing' it. Very very impressed with the result and will definitely be trying them again. Had the trial pack 3 months but not really used them but will be giving them another go on Monday. I'm more surprised than anybody just how well they worked!
Oddly enough it was Wyn's post that prompted me to give them a go.
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Is there much difference between the acid rinses? I'm using Woodbridge's at the moment but have used Fib Fab in the past. Got to honest and say I don't give my acid rinse much thought!
Never had a problem with Prochem and think I will start using them again when my latest batch of chemical has run out.
There are acid rinses and there are acid rinses, I use a conditioning rinse that dilutes 64-1
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Well I used MPower and Fusion8 today on a greasy sofa because my usual chems just weren't 'doing' it. Very very impressed with the result and will definitely be trying them again. Had the trial pack 3 months but not really used them but will be giving them another go on Monday. I'm more surprised than anybody just how well they worked!
Oddly enough it was Wyn's post that prompted me to give them a go.
Gary
What were the chems you tried that weren't doing it?
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The chemical supplier referred to in that article is Green Earth..............they are NOT the supplier of the products sold in the UK
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Well I used MPower and Fusion8 today on a greasy sofa because my usual chems just weren't 'doing' it. Very very impressed with the result and will definitely be trying them again. Had the trial pack 3 months but not really used them but will be giving them another go on Monday. I'm more surprised than anybody just how well they worked!
Oddly enough it was Wyn's post that prompted me to give them a go.
Gary
What were the chems you tried that weren't doing it?
Wynne, have you actually tried Fushion8 or any other of Solution's Chemicals....?
Quite simply mate, they are astonishing..... I'm sure Nick will send you some samples!!!!
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Is that guy down in cornwall still flogging springwater with a fancy chemical label. He ripped off loads of people with this allerg stop thing, and yet the mugs still flock round him.
Oh, and them machines that look like flimsy council bin carts on dodgy little casters with a bent piece of metal called a handle on the back. He must be making them in his garden shed.
He wants drowing in his primary chemical source,, cornish sea water.
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Tongue in cheek Matt ? I hope so !
I was a critic of A/Stop not because of the product but the " membership " concept. However it's clear that Nick is nobody's fool and his range of products are exceptionally good.
The " council bin " is a Cross American model adapted for the UK market with input from the Solutions team resulting in a powerful and effective workhorse.
Most portables in the UK market have similar parentage.
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Well I used MPower and Fusion8 today on a greasy sofa because my usual chems just weren't 'doing' it. Very very impressed with the result and will definitely be trying them again. Had the trial pack 3 months but not really used them but will be giving them another go on Monday. I'm more surprised than anybody just how well they worked!
Oddly enough it was Wyn's post that prompted me to give them a go.
Gary
What were the chems you tried that weren't doing it?
Wynne, have you actually tried Fushion8 or any other of Solution's Chemicals....?
Quite simply mate, they are astonishing..... I'm sure Nick will send you some samples!!!!
Colin
Two people have said they were using chems then used one of these products and got miraculous results, neither have responded as yet to my question what were they using before?
I have used Mpower which is what we are on about, colloid cleaners. I don't know anything about fusionx or whatever it is. I beleive Nemisis is pretty much the same and work with the same technology. I have seen marketing comments from a supplier of at least one of these products making direct reference to being derived from oil slick dispersion products.
So just to recap. I found these product less effective than normal detergents, requiring far more spotting. There is concern about the use of this type of product in some scientific quarters and the world health organisation. Therefore I feel it wise not to bother with them.
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Didn't say the results were miraculous, was impressed with them though! I started using Pureclean, then on to Formula 90, then on to MPower and Fusion8.
Sofa was over 30 years old but in excellent condition, was very greasy though which prompted me to try these products as you had said they are derived from the oil industry's clean up chemicals. Don't know how true that is and don't really care, also not interested in how eco friendly it is, I used them as a last resort as its all I had and they worked. The rest of the house was wool carpet so used Fusion8 on them as already had a couple of litres made up. Got a similar job tomorrow and Fusion8 is going to be the first thing I try, hope it works as well again!
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I like Pureclean, interestingly I quite often use it as a wetting agent before using something else.
I have also heard good things from people I know using this SPM so there's no bias against S. UK just not happy bunny with colloids.
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Is that guy down in cornwall still flogging springwater with a fancy chemical label. He ripped off loads of people with this allerg stop thing, and yet the mugs still flock round him.
Oh, and them machines that look like flimsy council bin carts on dodgy little casters with a bent piece of metal called a handle on the back. He must be making them in his garden shed.
He wants drowing in his primary chemical source,, cornish sea water.
what do you base your attack on Solutions UK on Matt? The Scorpion machine continues to outshine all the other triple vac machines on the market. Your posts continually make you out as a disgruntled Solutions competitor - come on, tell us all who you really are
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I have used both Fusion 8 and M Power.
I find that they are great on carpets that are reasonably clean, but they don't quite cut the mustard on anything more than that. Having said that, I've seen before and after pictures from other carpet cleaners using M Power and they have managed to clean real mingers with it. Maybe I just haven't quite got to grips with it yet?
Given that M Power has a dilution rate of something 1:120 it is great value for money and is probably the solution I use most often.
I never use it on anything other than well maintained carpets though. Prochem all the way for mingers.
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'DOES NOT
harm sewer bacteria'
Taken from the data sheets kindly supplied by Joe.
Not going to help with smells then either. I'm sure these product are touted as anti-bacterial, may be wrong though. :-\
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With m power i find its all about the dwell time really and a good adgitation too,it took me a while to get used to it mind :)
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Thats quiet a statement you make there Wynne and could be damaging to any person supplying the product. I have dug up some info re the two main products which we know as M-Power and Nemesis
M-Power® Carpet and Upholstery Cleaner, is:
Derived from renewable/sustainable sources
Fully Biodegradable
Exhibits anti-bacterial & anti-viral properties thanks to its unique natural-molecular cleaning action.
Non-toxic to humans and pets
Non-toxic to aquatic life
Non-reactive with chemicals, such as chlorine bleach
Non-caustic
Non-combustible
Non-corrosive
Non-flammable
Non-fuming,
Non-hazardous
Non-polluting
M-Power® Carpet and Upholstery Cleaner contains:
NO ammonia
NO animal products
NO Bacteria or Enzymes
NO artificial ingredients
NO isopropyl alcohol
NO phosphates
NO solvents (apart from water)
NO synthetic chemicals
NO harmful ingredients
NO Soap or detergents
non-flammable and non-fuming
non-toxic to mammals
non-toxic to aquatic life at recommended use dilutions
anti-oxidant in nature and will not oxidize or degrade metal, rubber, vinyl, plastic or glass
suitable for use as a protectant for metal, painted surfaces, fibre glass, plastic, rubber or vinyl.
It does not:
contain caustics such as sodium metasilicate
contain builders, such as foaming agents or re-agents like oxidizers or bleaches.
contain chlorinated solvents or any petroleum based derivatives
contain phosphates, silicones, acrylics or acetones
react with other chemistries, such as chlorine bleach to create toxic gases
contain glycol ethers
Harm fabrics
harm sewer bacteria
separate or precipitate out at freezing or superheat conditions
loose its strength from evaporation, unlike caustic or solvent based surfactant cleaners
contain hazardous VOC’s (Volatile Organic Compounds)
require special handling such as protective gloves or face masks
There is a Data Safety Sheet available.
Re Nemesis
it is:
non-flammable and non-fuming
non-toxic to mammals
non-toxic to aquatic life at recommended use dilutions
anti-oxidant in nature and will not oxidize or degrade metal, rubber, vinyl, plastic or glass
suitable for use as a protectant for metal, painted surfaces, fibre glass, plastic, rubber or vinyl.
It does not:
contain caustics such as sodium metasilicate
contain builders, such as foaming agents or re-agents like oxidizers or bleaches.
contain chlorinated solvents or any petroleum based derivatives
contain phosphates, silicones, acrylics or acetones
react with other chemistries, such as chlorine bleach to create toxic gases
contain glycol ethers
Harm fabrics
harm sewer bacteria
separate or precipitate out at freezing or superheat conditions
loose its strength from evaporation, unlike caustic or solvent based surfactant cleaners
contain hazardous VOC’s (Volatile Organic Compounds)
require special handling such as protective gloves or face masks
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I think there is enough info there for current users and future users to be reassured.
I use them , I am not reassured though , these kinds of lists always say what is NOT in them , what actually IS in them ?
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To be fair the data sheets are based on what we currently know to be harmful. Obviusly sometimes science discovers something particularly nasty about a wonder product, asbestos being a classic example of this. Unfortunately the genie is usually out of the bottle by the time it's discovered and this is the worry about nano particles.
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I've only used colloids as a prespray as I understand from my personal research that this is what they were developed for.............
On one occasion however, I used a colloidal on a couple of dark patches and forgot about them for an hour while working downwards from upstairs..............when I walked into the room I was taken aback as there were two patches of immaculately clean carpet where there had previously been two very dark patches................I had quite a job feathering in the surrounding areas trying to achieve a match.
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That's good Robert and without any agitation either. What do you rekon the dark patches were?
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I know what the dark patches were............one was from a leaky bin bag which contained remains of chinese carry outs, plus cooking oil and related fats from the kitchen. The second was spilt medication of some kind which had been walked in over some time .
The house was a rental property and the rubbish had been lying on the floor for at least two weeks.
The product had been applied but the landlord engaged me in conversation upstairs and I forgot about the patches. Normally I would expect to aggitate after application hence the surprise at the result of leaving it for about an hour.
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To be fair the data sheets are based on what we currently know to be harmful. Obviusly sometimes science discovers something particularly nasty about a wonder product, asbestos being a classic example of this. Unfortunately the genie is usually out of the bottle by the time it's discovered and this is the worry about nano particles.
So, do you have no worries about what YOU are using Wynn.
Robert - you found one of the benefits of colloids -- as long as they are damp they continue to work.
Done a job today. When I had finished and the lady of the house said she was happy with the clean, and knowing the furniture was not going back till husband comes home, I then just lightly sprayed the prespray over the carpet and left it. Told her when dry and she nexts vacuums she may well see the carpet cleaner still.
I like happy customers.
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Is that guy down in cornwall still flogging springwater with a fancy chemical label. He ripped off loads of people with this allerg stop thing, and yet the mugs still flock round him.
Oh, and them machines that look like flimsy council bin carts on dodgy little casters with a bent piece of metal called a handle on the back. He must be making them in his garden shed.
He wants drowing in his primary chemical source,, cornish sea water.
At least we all know who the "guy down in Cornwall" is and know where to find him.
Your a bit of a mystery Matt.
Where are you from?
You "forgot" to fill in your details on here.
Your url just recirculates.
What you hiding.
Maybe your true identity.
Mmmm!
Bit dodgy to me.
So who are you really, and where are you from.
No porkies, just come clean - if you can.
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Give him a call Joe :)
0800 022 4421, see if he actualy has anything to do with aerials.
Got to say, some of his posts do crack me up ;D
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come on 'Matt' - thats 2 of us now (Joe and me!) thats asked you to come clean
you have some very harsh opinions on certain people - dont hide behind your keyboard, lets establish who you are and if you can add some merit to your views
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Matt - Aerial force , here are 2 reviews of the company
http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/livelistings/review.php?ail=124451
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I bet Nick wrote those two reviews. ;D
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Wynne might just be :)
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Hi Clint
Did a job today big dirty patch on the carpet. Sprayed it with Mpower and went off for a tab. Came back twenty minutes later...... and it was still there. :D
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Have a longer tab next time wynne ;D
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LOL ;D
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Used Fusion8 on draught marks today and they came out easy, might have been a coincidence and my usual chems might have got them out too. Don't seem to be using so much spotter either. Not a convert by a long way, but results so far tell me to keep experimenting.
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Hi Clint
Did a job today big dirty patch on the carpet. Sprayed it with Mpower and went off for a tab. Came back twenty minutes later...... and it was still there. :D
Keep practicing you might get better ...............I've never tried M Power myself but I've heard it's pretty good in fact I don't use any of the Solutions products or machines.
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Hey just realised it was you Robert not Clint LOL
Yeah I was looking at the stuff today and was thinking give it another go, but I've done that a few times before. I just want to turn up and know what I use will give predictable, fast results. I don't want to be spotting constantly when the truck is running.
I reckon Mpower and Nemisis are the same stuff or there abouts.
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I agree about sticking to products that deliver regular and reliable results........Over nearly 30 years I've tried just about everything that's appeared on the market.
I moved away from Prochem, Butchers and others as I felt they created too much foam something that was absent from One Step when it was introduced and which I've used ever since along with a few others, including Argosheen and Chemblend powder.
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Robert
When I had a portable this was a problem sometimes and found splitters solved this. Never have foaming issues with the truckmount unless someones dumped a whole bottle of shampoo.
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I'm in an odd situation where I still don't know what I'm going to buy next! I think I said at the beginning of this thread I was going to start using Prochem again, then on Saturday used MPower and Fusion8. I don't want to end up with a shed full of unused chemicals like I have in the past.
Working through a tub of Formula90 at the moment, it's ok I suppose but rapidly going off the supplier!
Believe it or not quite impressed with Multi Pro as well but it doesn't get mentioned much!
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I have ended up with "a shed full of half used this and that", but these last couple years have seen some remarkable stuff coming out of Cornwall. Its not quiet a one stop shop but its getting there.
House up for sale at the moment, so this "shed full of half used" stuff will have to be cleared sometime (soon if these banks would get their finger out and start lending).
Will be looking for someone local to take the stuff away.
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" Shedfull of chemicals " is what I ended up with when I bought a van and equipment two years ago from a guy who was retiring................it was all Prochem stuff and I'm still working my way through it, slowly, including Multi Pro, Browning Prescription, Urine Neutraliser, Enzime Prespray and more.
I also have a small amount of Chemspec and Texatherm product, which are just being nibbled at rather than chucked out.
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Prochem for me... I have have tried other stuff but Prochem stuff is quality.
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Is that guy down in cornwall still flogging springwater with a fancy chemical label. He ripped off loads of people with this allerg stop thing, and yet the mugs still flock round him.
Oh, and them machines that look like flimsy council bin carts on dodgy little casters with a bent piece of metal called a handle on the back. He must be making them in his garden shed.
He wants drowing in his primary chemical source,, cornish sea water.
I have reported this post to the moderators as I find it unpalatable reading.
We all have grumps about suppliers and express our opinions giving reason,fair do's.
But this post has in my opinion gone a few steps too far, and I am talking particularly about the last sentence.
It was said 3 days ago and has been playing on my mind.
Am I alone on my thoughts here, or was anyone else of the same opinion?????????
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I agree Joe , a few months ago standards were going to be raised , people (including me) continue getting away with saying any old rubbish , cyber bullying and slander.
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I agree with you joe!
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Joe - you know i agree, i am still waiting for 'Matt' to stand up and be counted as asked
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I started this post off asking about prochem chemicals and i have been following it ever since and i have to say i think it gone to far , i use this forum for help and advice and to learn not to read people slagging other people and stuff off . Its does get a bit childish some times.And well said joe
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Is it the drowning thing? (personally I think this was a joke) or is it you don't like the idea he thinks you are a bunch of muppets for falling for Nicks marketing time after time?
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Joe, apart from that last sentance (which i'm sure was said as a joke, but still shouldn't have been said) i dont see what is wrong with Matt's post... :-\ there has been alot worse things said on here.
Its not like he mentioned the companys name in question.
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I did say it was the last sentence.
Things like that should not be said even in jest, in my opinion.
Whether he thinks me, and many others, are walters for using the products from that supplier does not bother me.
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Joe
I think it's worse if it was something believable.
I'm sure you have said something like 'he needs shooting'. But if someone says I'm going to get in my van, come down there and beat him up, that would be far worse in my opinion because it's something that someone actually may mean and possible. In fact I have seen that on a forum and it might even have been this one and not a dickie bird. But as usual I think it depends who is saying it, rather than what is said.
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On October 19th 2010 one of the mods,Ian, said this
"Please do not insult suppliers."
Here is the thread it was said. I have looked at the posts and cannot see anything too serious to warrant a comment, but a comment was made from Ian, a moderator, at 12:38pm. I made a flippant reply the very next post.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=110425.0;all
For what appears to be a much more serious comment - nothing said at all.
(and please dont say he didnt mention anyone - all but newbies on here WILL know who he was referring to).
I reported it to the moderators and not a dickie bird so far come back.
Is there a set standard to be applied across the board, or is a blind eye being taken in certain cases when it suits ?
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I can see your point Joe. Maybe Ashby's had recently promised they would be advertising on the forum in the next few weeks. ;D
I still make the point if someones rant is so out of this world and verging on the rediculous, which I think it was it actually has far less of an impact than something more 'reasonable' but believable.
I think you should frequent the general forum occasionally Joe, that will make your eyes water.
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Joe how did you report it with the button at the side? not seen anything myself where does the report go i wonder, probably to the admin.
do you think Nick gives a rats bottom what matt says i sure he thinks he's a idiot. from what i can see its only you that offended by the comment.... are you Nicks dad or something
Nick reads this forum and I'm sure if he wants he can contact us himself...... he doesn't need you to stand up for him
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Mike - I shall ignore some of your remarks which are pretty much as expected.
As for "from what i can see its only you that offended by the comment.... "
read again the 4 posts following my post at 7:50am today and come back and tell me your thoughts.
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I don't personally have a problem with Matt's comments.
It's him that has ended up looking like a bit of a plank as a result and if he doesn't rate the "cornish seawater" I suppose he should be allowed to offer his opinions (even if they are a bit extreme, but albeit tongue in cheek).
I notice he hasn't been back since making those comments anyway.
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Joe the point I'm making is Matt is seen as an idiot who no one takes seriously, for him to insult Nick or anyone else is like a child insulting a grown up it means nothing, it is best ignored but you keep going on about it. like i said if Nick has a problem with it he can give me a call.
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Same old story - its ok to insult "certain supplier(s)", and in this case very unpleasantly,...... but very mildly someone has a go at others and up pops "Please do not insult suppliers." from a moderator (doesnt matter which one).
No wonder this forum has such a poor reputation. Might be the biggest forum (or not) but reputation is wanting somewhat.
and yes I believe Nick can look after himself and doesnt need any help from "his dad", but I am allowed to express MY viewpoint as well.
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Joe is you are not happy with this Forum go away and don't visit, this is the best Uk forum because it is full of a mixture of idiots and good blokes if you are not happy with this mix then like I said go away.
it make me laugh when people slag off this forum and call it scream it up etc but still are here posting 4-5 times a day.
about expressing your viewpoint, its funny how your viewpoint always involves Solutions & there products. which last time we had this discussion i brought up the fact all anyone needs to look at your past posts to see they are your main topic of interest.
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Joe
The most damaging and insulting remarks ever made on here about a supplier were made by a guy who is many now imagine to be a highly respectable or at least highly regarded " teacher " but because some imagine they can gain something by associatiing with him and they're happy to ignore his past rants.
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Robert
I remember it well, and I was at the rough end mor then a few times.
Mike
I tend to support an underdog, I have been there and know what its like, but makes it worse when the underdog cant reply. And no I am not replying on "his" behalf - that is not my style.
As for my post always involves Solutions - that is not true, thats you faulty perception.
My main fluid I use is Nemesis - have yo not noticed that I often refer to Nemesis/MPower or even MPower/Nemesis (as they are both colloidals although no doubt different)
I often comment on past equipment I have used ie Texatherm, CFR500, I dont comment too much about equipment nor cleaning fluids I have not used. When I had the Prowler I used to extol its virtues when appropriate, and still do. I have often referred to my support of Restormate, Cleansmart as well as Solutions.
Your memory seems to be a bit limited. Mmmm.
And I dont comment on here for your benefit (I am sure your knowledge surpasses mine) but more for the newbies.
I often get emails or calls from newer ones and those are the ones I love to help.
As for "scream it up", I assure you it was not I that thought of that, just using phrases that other have used as they have visited and seen what goes on, however does seem appropriate at times, I am sure you noticed.
Its a pity there are so many good c/cleaners who dont post on here because of the attitude.
Thank you for the invite to "go away", very thoughtful of you (that was a sarcastic remark).
Seems you can say it as it is, and thats Ok because you are a Yorkshire man, but if someone else says it as it is, then they are invited to leave. Lovely.
The number of times I have thought of "going away", especially when I was getting the rough end as in my reference to Robert, but I stuck it out for the sake of the newbies. And that is what I am going to do now - stick it out at least for the benefit of the newbies.
Started the day well - so onward and upwards as they say.
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i have just read through the whole of this thread and i have to say i thought the comment about drowning in cornish sea water was very funny and yes i did have a little chuckle when i read it. it is obvious that the poster has some gripe against nick but to me it was equally obvious that it was said tongue in cheek. i met both nick and his wife last week when i went on the spot and stain course he was running and we spent a very pleasant evening in the pub with all the other cc's, nicks a nice guy and seems to have a very successfull business but he can't please all the people all the time and is bound to offend someone at some point as i am sure has matt at cleansmart and i do'nt think i have read anything good on here about ashbys either, i am sure there is a line that should not be crossed but if people are prevented from posting opinions based on their own dealings with these suppliers then the newbies will have nothing to aid their research into which supplier they would like to use after all we are all grown ups and hopefully able to make our decisions based on all information available good and bad. threats and defamation are a no no but lets not get too restrictive on what we are allowed to say, free speech is a wonderfull thing to have.
finally joe whilst your obvious loyallty and belief in nicks products is admirable and i am not disagreeing with anything you have written on the subject do you not think that your continually extolling the virtue of both the solutions and the machine in a lot of your posts would seem as annoying to some people as someone continually slagging off the man himself which obviously makes you angry.
i like using both forums and i would not go on cleantalk and continually tell people how good i think the airflex is nor would i come on here and continually tell people how impressed i am with solutions products.
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Hear what you saying Creighton, but as for speaking only about Solutions products, I rarely mention F8 and FC (abbreviated so not to advertise ;)) and my main product I use is Nemesis which is not from down south west. As I said before, I mention Nemesis/MP or MP/Nemesis, as they are both colloidals and similar, and indeed have used both (but not at the same time).
As for machine, I extol the CFR500 I used to have when they are mentioned, the Prowler when I had that and still do - fine machine, so why not the portable I have had for 3 years and still do. Others talk about their Alltec triple vac or their Ninja or their Airflex when the conversation leads to it, and so I talk about what I use if it is going to help someone, and why not.
I have never started a thread saying "Buy this machine" or "Use this product" - in fact a quick look back over the last 5 or 6 , months I have only started 4 or 5 threads, non relating to what I use (other then selling the prowler).
Some posts are Powerburst this and Powerburst that, doesnt bother me - I use Powerburst. There was one poster I remember and you could bet every other post would be Pureclean - Ive had that as well, still got it and one customer annually wants Pureclean, so need it.
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Just thought - maybe I should just sign off and come back on again as someone else - like some other do :D
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joe i am sure most would agree that your posts are more of a help than a hindrance you will never make everybody happy and i am sure if we were able to look some of the posters on here in the eye we would see a wicked glint in their eyes which would show their posts to be more mischievous than malicious
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Hi Guys
Well this thread has been well and truly highjacked !
Back to Prochem, I find their range very good as is Chempec's.
Others have good products but not the range.
Paul/Wynne is right with the acid rinse , a little pH 5 acid is just not going to neutralise a buffered pH11 cleaning chemical used in much higher quantities.
As an ex chemist I very much subscibe to the view that thorough rinsing is far better than leaving products to work and it's healthier too.
In terms of moderation we are always busy as CC's (apart from when it snows) and do not have the time or inclination to remove every dig or plug .
90% of what 'Matt Lindus" writes is rubbish and we all know where Joe's loyalties lie so it's six of one and halfd a dozen of the other ;)
Cheers
Doug
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Joe
I am new to carpet cleaning and whilst Im gaining a lot of knowledge from Gary, I find your posts very informative and helpful.
If anyone does find a particular product or supplier who works well for them then I dont see anything wrong with openly supporting them and passing the information on to the rest of us who are looking for some advice. While it might niggle some, its helping others :)
Sarah
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I find prochems range of pre sprays excellant tend to use a lot of PB find there spotting range not so good as chemspecs and or upholstery i use hydramasters products.
as far as suppliers i use a few hydrmaster/solutions/restormate/cleansmart find them all very helpfull and regard them all as genuine people. but i get cake when i go to HM so that sways it for me
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Just thought - maybe I should just sign off and come back on again as someone else - like some other do :D
Reading Joe's posts I think he's one of the good guys. He's not nasty and puts up with a lot of stick from other members and stands his ground in a dignified way. I only wish I had such self control. :D
If you did change your picture and identity Joe I bet you would have an easier time. I reckon some people see you as a bit of a soft touch and don't like it when you don't roll over.
I also respect the way you stick up for what you believe, yes, even Nicks products! I see other people doing the same consistently and I don't see them getting it in the neck like you.
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Just for the record I use Prochem stuff almost exclusively prob because I lack imagination and like our wholesaler and the service they give (wessex soton btw) bacause I know it well as a range and because I think it is good for clients to be able to look up anything we may use on the prochem website via a link on our site - I have been in the game so long I still have a tub of Hi-Force Prespray which is what Powerburst used to be called! (contituents are identical)
I agree that Joe is a good guy and always takes the time to give a reasoned and reasonable reply - and has the patience of a saint - saint Joe then! Many newbies have him to thanks for sound advice...
On a serious note though people who think they can just say anything about somebody else on a forum need to have a serious reality check - the same rules apply to cyber space as your local newspaper - the fact is your local newspaper (for instance) would not publish a reader's letter that contained a libel because they know their libel laws and the fact that they can be jointly held to be responsible for that libel - the same laws cover the internet - the medium used is part of the case to answer and in this case this forum would be a very pertinent part of the case - i.e. its got a big circulation and is directly relevant to the field in which Solutions operate - it may be tongue in cheek (is it I'm not so sure)but so was the comment by Paul Chapman who twittered about Robin Hood airport and he is in serious s*** over it - and just lost his appeal
Lets face it this is now the biggest most relevant forum we have available to us as CCs so we have an interest in keeping it legal, truthful and honest
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I don't think this forum has a poor reputation or is less useful/helpful than any other.
It's probably true to say that it doesn't take itself quite so seriously as others, but that's not a bad thing. At least it is relatively neutral and doesn't push certain products constantly.
You ask a question here and usually get a straight answer.
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excellent post bucky and one we should all take note of before we continue our rants and raves. me included.
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Joe
I am new to carpet cleaning and whilst Im gaining a lot of knowledge from Gary, I find your posts very informative and helpful.
Sarah
Ahhh, but now you know I get all my information from here and in reality know bugger all. Since getting the TM its been like starting again! I'm still going to post about my 20k+ insurance claim and I know I'm in for some stick for that but those opinions won't mean jack to me. If what I post stops one carpet cleaner from doing the same then it was worth it, and since doing what I did have already found one other very well respected and 'big' carpet cleaner that has had the same problem.
One thing that does send me dizzy with Prochem is the huge range, but I suppose that is a good thing.
Don't you think that some of the rants on here are a part of the appeal? Back in the 'olden' days there used to be some great arguments and threats on here, used to keep us amused before Facebook was invented. It's like a little family on here, we all have our off days and get niggly but it soon blows over. Would be pretty boring to just read about carpet cleaning all the time.
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Joe
I am new to carpet cleaning and whilst Im gaining a lot of knowledge from Gary, I find your posts very informative and helpful.
Sarah
Ahhh, but now you know I get all my information from here and in reality know bugger all. Since getting the TM its been like starting again! I'm still going to post about my 20k+ insurance claim and I know I'm in for some stick for that but those opinions won't mean jack to me. If what I post stops one carpet cleaner from doing the same then it was worth it, and since doing what I did have already found one other very well respected and 'big' carpet cleaner that has had the same problem.
One thing that does send me dizzy with Prochem is the huge range, but I suppose that is a good thing.
Don't you think that some of the rants on here are a part of the appeal? Back in the 'olden' days there used to be some great arguments and threats on here, used to keep us amused before Facebook was invented. It's like a little family on here, we all have our off days and get niggly but it soon blows over. Would be pretty boring to just read about carpet cleaning all the time.
do it now i'm intrigued, well, bored til i'm a celeb comes on. shaun to win, alllllrighhhtt.
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OK will do it later, Sarah bought over some Spag Bol and Corrie is on. Is that a bit off topic :-X
Yep, Shaun to win 8)
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OK will do it later, Sarah bought over some Spag Bol and Corrie is on. Is that a bit off topic :-X
Yep, Shaun to win 8)
You beat me to it.....was going to say there's no chance while Corrie is on! :)
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Mike - read the posts again and take note - you will see i was the first to take offence so Joe is not alone.
I also find you post of telling Joe to go away offensive as when it comes to posts and adding content, i would say Joe adds more to this forum for people who want to learn than you do. Your posts are very often rude and biased and not helpful to anyone except those who follow your exact point of view. Considering that you are a mod, then i think you need to rethink your stance by condoning people like Matt the Vac and telling people like Joe to go away.
As regards Nick, yes he will certainly hold his own, not sure if you would be so good in holding back if you or your company were spoken off in such a manner!
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PS - when you say Joe likes to post about Solutions, i think ive mentioned in the past about you jumping on the band wagon when they get slated too so pot and kettle i think
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You missed the boat on this one New Look, we got bored and moved on now :-*
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ha ha
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oh i think you will find it gets replied to ;D
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lol, too much time to play on the internet mate?
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Anybody wont go far wrong with using Prochems products
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did you delete your 'movie' Gary or was it removed?
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I took it off, was having a funny 5 mins ( again!).
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... this is the best Uk forum because it is full of a mixture of idiots and good blokes...
If it were not for this forum, complete with resident good blokes and idiots, I probably wouldn't have a business.
I have learnt a lot from this forum over the years...some has been advice handed down by the 'good blokes' and some has been from the mistakes made by the 'idiots'!!
So... a big 'thank you' to everyone on this forum that has helped make my business a success!