Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on October 14, 2010, 10:28:17 am
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Im thinking about upgrading to hot before this winter sets in.
I want to know if the L5 is really any good?
How hot does it get the water?
how easy is it to install?
I see it runs on propane gas, so if you use it all day every day to clean how often does the gas need a refil and what is the cost?
Have you found the heater reliable?
lastly what was the total cost of setting it up and any other thoughts on this systmen?
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I have one. It needs some modification.
Its a pain in the arse. It blows out, times out, thinks the flow rate is too low and turns off.
Window tools (peter fogwill) has one on a trolley. It isn't an L5 so I'm thinking it doesn't have the same problems. It can't have a blowing out problem because its on a trolley. It must work on a low flow rate because of low water supply in a trolley.
I want to know if the problems have been solved. Does anyone know?
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anyone else?
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what about purefreedoms one its built for the job by the look of it and cost around £2000 http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/pure-freedom-isothermal-diesel-water-heater-p-297.html
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Ive never had a problem with mine, its great. I used to use it initially when I first got it on every property, but only use it at the mo on gutters, connie roofs, bird strikes, first cleans etc. That may change once we get to the winter and temps drop radically.
It can get scalding hot if you have it set that way, hot enough to make a coffee with, which is handy, or you can set it to come out just luke warm.
This has taken me 3 minutes to type out, I figure that equates to about £20.00 ta muchly, just click on the following link to be taken directly to our payments page
http://www.oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk/payments.htm
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if you put in write place never blows out .its cheper than desul to run ,you have to tell insorance youv got gas ,grate bit of kit ;D its very esy to fit iv got hoits se lock on the in and out , bolted to bulk head ,top of heater is just over a foot from van head lineing wich is hard bord never gets worm ,,it wos costing a bute £1 aday to run ,but as with all fuel thats moor now ??
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Ive never had a problem with mine, its great. I used to use it initially when I first got it on every property, but only use it at the mo on gutters, connie roofs, bird strikes, first cleans etc. That may change once we get to the winter and temps drop radically.
It can get scalding hot if you have it set that way, hot enough to make a coffee with, which is handy, or you can set it to come out just luke warm.
This has taken me 3 minutes to type out, I figure that equates to about £20.00 ta muchly, just click on the following link to be taken directly to our payments page
http://www.oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk/payments.htm
your like a dog with a bone matt, i will see you cash in my pocket yet, but only after you beg me to join, thanks for the info btw, I think I just might dive in and give it a go!
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i will see you cash in my pocket yet, but only after you beg me to join
I'll offer you a £100 bet that you wont and I dont to either of those. In fact £100 on each of those two criteria, so a £200 bet.
In fact to make it even more attractive to you; if I ever have to pay you for any sort of services to promote my business or gain me extra customers or work then I will give you £200, additionally if I ever have to come asking you for whatever it is you are trying to scheme then I will give you an extra £200.
So if youre as confident as you say you are about your up and coming project you should be in the clear to get £400 for doing nothing. Not bad. What you reckon? £400 to do what you want with, with absolutely no effort. Its a no-brainer Lee.
However, if I dont do either of those 2 things in the next 6 months you have to give me just £100.
Plus! The hundred pounds you give me I will not pocket personally, so I dont gain, it will go towards the sponsorship I am looking for regarding a 400 mile charity cycle ride Im doing next year in India.
How does that sound, put your money where your mouth is.
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So Lee, what do you think then? ;)
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I have one. It needs some modification.
Its a pain in the arse. It blows out, times out, thinks the flow rate is too low and turns off.
Window tools (peter fogwill) has one on a trolley. It isn't an L5 so I'm thinking it doesn't have the same problems. It can't have a blowing out problem because its on a trolley. It must work on a low flow rate because of low water supply in a trolley.
I want to know if the problems have been solved. Does anyone know?
Yes they have been solved. I had a look at the L5 in the early stages but had to look elsewhere as they had no CE certification, so could not legally be sold in this country.
My HotWash comes on a metal securing frame which also holds two sealed compartments for securing and transporting gas bottles safely. It has a gas escape to the outside should it develop a gas leak. The heater itself runs on a low pressure with no automatic timed cut off. It will also come with an extraction to the outside of the vehicle for exhaust. And last but not least will also have a thermostat for overnight heating should the temperature in the van reach a certain set temperature, the thermostat will start the pump, and stop it when van reaches the desired set temperature.
The HotWash will be available for sale in 4 weeks time, I have been guessing the availability until now but have a definite date of 17th November.
The cost will be £400 plus VAT and delivery. Fitting will be £100 but will be easily self fitted for anyone wanting to do it themselves.
I have had a lot of interest up to now with quite a few people wanting to join my list. I will however a bit nearer the time take payments for immediate dispatch when they are available.
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
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Hi Peter Hi Lee
I have a question for Peter. Does the heater you are thinking of using have auto igniton?
My second point is that all heaters have an oxygen sensor which will auto cut off.What this means is if the doors of the van are shut the heater will shut down in about two minutes.This obviously hasn't occured to peter because although i do think it very clever that his version will auto start on a cold night, it may start on a cold night but will shut down because of this safety cut out within two minutes.
Sorry Peter back to the drawing board.
The sticky post ref clear view(CONCEPT O2) has the best system of this kind the price is over 2k.
I was the first on this forum to go hot and soon kicked the L5 into touch. I have a ce one.Matt (remember him) did say the l5 guy was getting certificated but i always thought this was baloney because of the huge costs, the cheapness of the units, and the low potential number of users.
L5 are unreliable, they can flame on when the flow stops, when the gas pressure is low (ie near empty bottle and very cold) the control becomes an idiot.
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I have a question for Peter. Does the heater you are thinking of using have auto igniton?
Hi, and yes it does have an auto ignition.
L5 are unreliable, they can flame on when the flow stops, when the gas pressure is low (ie near empty bottle and very cold) the control becomes an idiot.
I have never came across this not even once in the tests that were done. I think with the CE certification there will be stricter quality control, and more stringent checks on important functions like the one you mentioned.
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
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just out of genuine interest how long you been hotwater slumpbuster?
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When i say i was the first i mean DIY. Obviously ionics did it years before and concept have some years on me too.But i know for a fact that i was the first on here.
I have been hot with an on demand system for (i think) about three years.
Other than the point i made about peters system not being able to self start- and believe me it can not operate with the van doors closed- I do think that peters sounds a very good system and a good price.He is right about the CE mark.
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I am glad you cracked my davinci code lol, dont know what happened there! hofooler = hot water ;D
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I have one. It needs some modification.
Its a pain in the arse. It blows out, times out, thinks the flow rate is too low and turns off.
Window tools (peter fogwill) has one on a trolley. It isn't an L5 so I'm thinking it doesn't have the same problems. It can't have a blowing out problem because its on a trolley. It must work on a low flow rate because of low water supply in a trolley.
I want to know if the problems have been solved. Does anyone know?
Yes they have been solved. I had a look at the L5 in the early stages but had to look elsewhere as they had no CE certification, so could not legally be sold in this country.
My HotWash comes on a metal securing frame which also holds two sealed compartments for securing and transporting gas bottles safely. It has a gas escape to the outside should it develop a gas leak. The heater itself runs on a low pressure with no automatic timed cut off. It will also come with an extraction to the outside of the vehicle for exhaust. And last but not least will also have a thermostat for overnight heating should the temperature in the van reach a certain set temperature, the thermostat will start the pump, and stop it when van reaches the desired set temperature.
The HotWash will be available for sale in 4 weeks time, I have been guessing the availability until now but have a definite date of 17th November.
The cost will be £400 plus VAT and delivery. Fitting will be £100 but will be easily self fitted for anyone wanting to do it themselves.
I have had a lot of interest up to now with quite a few people wanting to join my list. I will however a bit nearer the time take payments for immediate dispatch when they are available.
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
An im hoping that im very near the top of that list ;D
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The reason most suppliers have not done this before is because of legal and not technical issues.It is possible to sell replica swords, and wide blade knives and daggers for a huge profit.What deters most people from doing this is the prospect of a jail sentence for doing so.
I feel there is a lack of understanding of some of the issues.Some systems have a powered flue, some have an lpg conversion put in where the spare wheel goes.
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Or u could leave window of van open a couple of centermeters,I used l5 for around a yr now only thing I don't like about it is the 17 min cut out,easily got round wit the remote control,and to point out it normally font take 17 mins do a house
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I have an L5 system (and it suffers none of the issues you mentioned) which will run with the van doors closed,... I just put loads of air vents in,.. one takes the exhaust fumes & 3 to let in fresh air. :)
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Peter, any pics of your system?
I can't seem to get onto your forum - lost password etc.
Invalid activation code.
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i will see you cash in my pocket yet, but only after you beg me to join
I'll offer you a £100 bet that you wont and I dont to either of those. In fact £100 on each of those two criteria, so a £200 bet.
In fact to make it even more attractive to you; if I ever have to pay you for any sort of services to promote my business or gain me extra customers or work then I will give you £200, additionally if I ever have to come asking you for whatever it is you are trying to scheme then I will give you an extra £200.
So if youre as confident as you say you are about your up and coming project you should be in the clear to get £400 for doing nothing. Not bad. What you reckon? £400 to do what you want with, with absolutely no effort. Its a no-brainer Lee.
However, if I dont do either of those 2 things in the next 6 months you have to give me just £100.
Plus! The hundred pounds you give me I will not pocket personally, so I dont gain, it will go towards the sponsorship I am looking for regarding a 400 mile charity cycle ride Im doing next year in India.
How does that sound, put your money where your mouth is.
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well its not much of a bet really is it matt???? I mean all you have to do to win is nothing! my idear will not be down your way for 12-18 months.
I dont really see a bet there to be honest, even if you wanted to use my idear you could win the bet by not acting at all.
Sorry mate no deal, and yes i am confident in my plan
Good luck with your bike ride, hey tell you what, cycle over to surrey and I will show you how to run a real window cleaning business ;) ;) ;D
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Its a fantastic bet, you get to win £400 just so long as what you are offering is as fantastic as you are making it out to be.
And if it is how can I refuse to not want to be a part of it?
If it isnt that fantastic, well you pay £100 to a cancer care charity, wow, you cant honestly say you are refusing that are you?
Tell you what, if I lose I'll cycle over and bring the 400 in cash to you in surrey, as well.
As for you showing me how to run a window cleaning biz? I was doing that when you was in nappies mate ;D
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Its a fantastic bet, you get to win £400 just so long as what you are offering is as fantastic as you are making it out to be.
And if it is how can I refuse to not want to be a part of it?
If it isnt that fantastic, well you pay £100 to a cancer care charity, wow, you cant honestly say you are refusing that are you?
Tell you what, if I lose I'll cycle over and bring the 400 in cash to you in surrey, as well.
As for you showing me how to run a window cleaning biz? I was doing that when you was in nappies mate ;D
Dont guilt me mate!!!! as a child I lost my dad to cancer, he was a successfull business man and after loosing him my family was destroyed and as a result I grew up in council flat with absolutly nothing! and a mother working 3 jobs to put food on the table with no life at all. and I have given to them EVERY year of my working life.
Moving on from the raw nerve your hitting, fact is my idear could be the best thing since sliced bread, that does not mean you will do anything about it, therefore there is no bet
end of conversation!!!
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Get off the cross we need the wood.
You poor little lamb.
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Lee you have ionic systems right ? L5 heaters adding to ionics systems are a nightmare. Iv looked in to this you cant just run the water through the heater before colour change filter as all the water has to go through carbon sediment softener robak (pro6,7) ro then finally tds colour change filter. so in effect you have to re do the whole system. Buy a hot box or stay cold. Regards Steve
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Get off the cross we need the wood.
You poor little lamb.
Thanks for your email half way into tender paper work is a pain in the Arsenal.
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all we have in the vans are tanks and pumps, just delivery systems, not even di, its all done in our unit with a static system, so should be easy enough, looking into other similar ways at the mo
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Lee you have ionic systems right ? L5 heaters adding to ionics systems are a nightmare. Iv looked in to this you cant just run the water through the heater before colour change filter as all the water has to go through carbon sediment softener robak (pro6,7) ro then finally tds colour change filter. so in effect you have to re do the whole system. Buy a hot box or stay cold. Regards Steve
The heater goes AFTER all the filters/tank/pump etc,.. its the very last thing before the hose reel. Dead easy to fit even if you have an ionics rig.
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Get off the cross we need the wood.
You poor little lamb.
your that stubborn you would say black whas white, you cant face or understand that anyone could be right if you think its wrong, pretty single minded for an intelligent guy.......a may be your a stuck up pompus twit???
you defo have no tact!!
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Hey Ronnie, my father died when I was 2, my mother died 2 years ago from cancer, thats why Im doing this ride, I dont bleat on about it though like Pryor here as some smoke-screen to try to get someone off my back.
If he is so badly affected by his fathers death perhaps he should concentrate on doing some charity work instead.
He's just dribbling on about it as he hasnt got another strategy to try to justify not taking part in my suggested bet. Its a smoke-screen.
And your that stubborn too Ronnie, we all know how much you 'think' people should be paid, dont we.
Im still waiting to see what this unique idea of Pryors is, he did say its never been done before you know. Not another sell work on/window cleaning directory/subscription paid to get work/postcode lottery scheme I suppose?
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how much we think people should be paid???
i know how much profit i would like to make and i know the margins i have for employees if thats what you mean, but thats my company others may pay alot more and make less profit???
thats not a bet has you control the out come, like i said your stubbourn you wouldnt get involved even if it was the best thing since sliced bread!!!
and how do you know he doesnt do things for charity?, if what you say is true you should have a little more compasion.........
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No, he controls it, if his scheme is THAT good apparently I cant fail to want to join can I. He did say that in as many words himself
i will see you cash in my pocket yet, but only after you beg me to join
So, Ive simply asked him to put his money where his mouth is, Im prepared to risk 4 times what Im asking him to, so wheres the problem?
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but oakley its obviuos you wouldnt go against your single minded view, i mean your more than happy with your business dont need any more work but more importantly it would mean excepting you were wrong.........come on matt you would never do that
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I would never come on here, trumpeting my arrival, fanfare, ribbons and ticker-tape, announcing, that a half-brained marketing scheme Id dreamt up one boring Sunday morning had never been done before either 8)
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your always on here trumpeting trosh...
any way iv meade my point...like iv said you know best you always will ::)
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Your entitled to your opinion.
As am I.
However, in light of your persuasive personality (that was a joke) literary charms (so was that) and ugly features (umm, I suppose we could say that was too if persuaded) I will bow out of these discussions regarding Mr Pryor.
I look forward to being enlightened as to his business strategy and unique marketing skills ;D
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... I will bow out of these discussions regarding Mr Pryor...
That's the second time you've bowed out of this discussion. Can we take it as read that this time you mean it?
Vin
PS. Before you write your response, assume that I already know that I'm too new in the game to have any opinion whatsoever.
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This L5 Heater thread seems to have joined up with another one about charities and money making schemes - perhaps a mod could check the software.
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I have one. It needs some modification.
Its a pain in the arse. It blows out, times out, thinks the flow rate is too low and turns off.
Window tools (peter fogwill) has one on a trolley. It isn't an L5 so I'm thinking it doesn't have the same problems. It can't have a blowing out problem because its on a trolley. It must work on a low flow rate because of low water supply in a trolley.
I want to know if the problems have been solved. Does anyone know?
Yes they have been solved. I had a look at the L5 in the early stages but had to look elsewhere as they had no CE certification, so could not legally be sold in this country.
My HotWash comes on a metal securing frame which also holds two sealed compartments for securing and transporting gas bottles safely. It has a gas escape to the outside should it develop a gas leak. The heater itself runs on a low pressure with no automatic timed cut off. It will also come with an extraction to the outside of the vehicle for exhaust. And last but not least will also have a thermostat for overnight heating should the temperature in the van reach a certain set temperature, the thermostat will start the pump, and stop it when van reaches the desired set temperature.
The HotWash will be available for sale in 4 weeks time, I have been guessing the availability until now but have a definite date of 17th November.
The cost will be £400 plus VAT and delivery. Fitting will be £100 but will be easily self fitted for anyone wanting to do it themselves.
I have had a lot of interest up to now with quite a few people wanting to join my list. I will however a bit nearer the time take payments for immediate dispatch when they are available.
Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com
Here it is ronnie ,
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cheers pal