Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: idealrob on October 06, 2010, 04:03:14 pm
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David Cameron in his speech, talking about getting people of state benefits, gave an example of a window cleaner who leaver the house before dawn, and making a living and contributing towards society.
idealrob
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Can't have meant me, never leave my bunker before 8.00 am.
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how long before this turns in to david cameron said we should all become window cleaners
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this is what he said
On enterpise: "When you think of a wealth creator, don't think of the tycoon in the glass tower, think of the man who gets up before dawn and goes out to clean windows... We need to get behind these small businesses and wealth creators... We'll cut business rates, but the job doesn't end there. I don't believe in laissez-faire, and we must act to build a better economy."
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this is what he said
On enterpise: "When you think of a wealth creator, don't think of the tycoon in the glass tower, think of the man who gets up before dawn and goes out to clean windows... We need to get behind these small businesses and wealth creators... We'll cut business rates, but the job doesn't end there. I don't believe in laissez-faire, and we must act to build a better economy."
Sounds good to me, But no doubt he will be just like every other politician..... say one thing and do f all.
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http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/s-man-cleaning-windows/article-905405-detail/article.html
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this is what he said
On enterpise: "When you think of a wealth creator, don't think of the tycoon in the glass tower, think of the man who gets up before dawn and goes out to clean windows... We need to get behind these small businesses and wealth creators... We'll cut business rates, but the job doesn't end there. I don't believe in laissez-faire, and we must act to build a better economy."
Hypocrite!!! >:(
My wife had an appointment with a business advisor at our local council offices as she has just qualified as a holistic massage therapist and wants to start up her own business. The Advisor told her that he is one of 20 advisors who volunteer their services FREE OF CHARGE to help people like my wife. They employ just one person to do the admin and pay her £13K per annum. The government pay the wage.
He told my wife the department is being threatened with been closed down to save money!!!
Doesn't the Government realise that if someone sets up a business the tax man will get more income, possible more jobs will be created if the the person employs AND it frees up a job where my wife would have previously occupied!
And to top it all off...........This is on Camerons doorstep. We live in Witney Oxfordshire and DC is our MP!!
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Well Cameron is talking out of his arse because he will be removing child benefit from some of my best customers. I wonder how some of them will be making up the shortfall (do we really need a window cleaner dear?).
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Well Cameron is talking out of his arse because he will be removing child benefit from some of my best customers. I wonder how some of them will be making up the shortfall (do we really need a window cleaner dear?).
i think thats crap without getting into politics if someone is earning over i think its 44k then they dont need child benifit..
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Well Cameron is talking out of his arse because he will be removing child benefit from some of my best customers. I wonder how some of them will be making up the shortfall (do we really need a window cleaner dear?).
i think thats crap without getting into politics if someone is earning over i think its 44k then they dont need child benifit..
I agree, if you earn let's say 24000 a year, how do you feel about supporting someone on 44K ? I heard some woman complaing that they wont be able to put away the child benifit for their children for when they reach 18 !!! UK is the only country in Europe that doesn't stop unemployment benifits when you rufuse work!!
If someone doesn't change something soon, you will have 1 working family supporting 2 families. Where does the money come from? Why do some of you work hard all month and take home less than someone who is unemployed but has more than 4 kids?
Time to look at the benifit state. Too many people think they are intitled to a comfortablre life at the cost of workers. How can the system be fair if people who don't want to work, can still afford to go out on the pop at weekends and smoke? How is it OK to allow people on benifits to take drugs?
Finally, some bloke stands up and says, if you wont work, you wont get benifits, better hope he does what he says.
Glad I no longer live in UK at the moment. Nothing wrong with the people, but the benifit state is choking you to death.
Added later, who cares if the 44K brigade cancel their WC? Stuff them, replace with 2 smaller custies.
End of rant :)
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Patroitism is the lat refuge of the scoundrel.
We won't give benefite to people who refuse work.There is no work.Industry has got up and left the uk.
We are in the service industry (window cleaners) and we do not create wealth.That's just a fact, and it's disingenuos of cameron to say we do.Wealth is made by getting coal out of the ground, and building cars.
He says we must all start a business, but that's only because there are no jobs.What business? His implicit suggestion, is yes, window cleaning.
Brilliant, if the numptie worked for me i'd clip is ear and tell him to keep his gob shut.
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Good point Clive, but you know what he meant. Wealth isn't only created in such ways, see Ray Crock (McDonalds ) Look how big you could build your firm. You would creat wealth. What you need is a fair system, and not loads of freeloaders.
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Service industries create wealth for the govt in taxes paid and jobs created which also pay tax and ni
he doesnt care if your shining a window or extracting coal/diamonds/gold
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Exactly. Canada's wealth is mostly built on small to medium biz. If someone who was on 44K cancelled me because they couldn't afford a WC any more, I would happily go and replace them . Why is it a benifit anyway? why isn't it called "Hand out"?
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Wealth is made by getting coal out of the ground, and building cars.
It's rare that I'm so categorical, but that's utter tosh, I'm afraid.
Turn iron ore and other raw materials into a car. According to you, that builds wealth. Turn chicken, flour and veg into a pie and serve it in a restaurant. That's a service, so according to you doomsayers, that doesn't. What's the difference? Before you point out that the car lasts, what about the manufacture of, say, straws? Just as disposable as a chicken pie, but one's manufacturing, one's service.
Build a lathe. That's manufacturing and hence, presumably, worthwhile. Build the software to run the lathe. That's a service, so probably not worth a fig in your view of the world.
If people like you ran the country we'd still be subsidising a tea-clipper building industry. You're so wedded to "manufacturing good, service bad" that you can't see the wood for the trees.
Vin
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What quality goods do we manufacture?
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Gordon Brown wants said in a speech, that we were becoming a nation of Window Cleaners
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Didn't really answer my question Ewan. We seem to assemble several things that are manufactured abroad but I don't see a huge amount of quality manufacturing round my way. Several small industries going down the pan but nothing outstanding on my local industrial estate.
I was in the Print industry for over thirty years before all that went tits up. All the machinery was German. The Chinese beat us on price, the Italians beat us on quality and the management generally beat us into a demoralised mess.
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Its capitalism thats gone tits up and they dont know how to fix it yet as its never had to be fixed before on a massive scale.
Superinflation would shrink all the debts but completely screw up all the foundations.This is one big mess thats not been encountered before. As i see it, only a global war,a massive shrinking of the population and the victors starting from scratch gives an end result. I can see a cancellation of all debt as being the way out but then thats what would probably trigger the war. I often find myself wondering what might be the safest bit of the planet to be living in.
Its no wonder the JW movement is finding their numbers increasing as they believe armageddon is nigh and are looking forward to it as on judgement day they start eternal blissful life,the rest of us just cease. I am happy taking my chances as i dont fancy cleaning windows for ever and ever and ever.
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Bizarre but true fact: we are the sixth biggest manufacturing nation in the world.
They asked a bundle of "experts" on Radio 4 to guess recently and they were guessing 20th - 40th.
Stop being so pessimistic, and rejoice that you live in a country as wonderful as ours is.
And before you mock, go and live somewhere else for a while and you'll see how good it is in the UK.
Vin
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Its capitalism thats gone tits up
That's one of the funniest statements I have ever read.
Vin
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Its capitalism thats gone tits up
That's one of the funniest statements I have ever read.
Vin
Yes have to agree. Capitalism has not gone tits up, Capitalism is alive and kicking.
The top dogs of industry are salivating at their success, while the hard working employee is working harder to keep the wolf from the door!
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To give you some perspective
The typical mortgage for an individual is 25 years; the National debt at its maximum (if you count it in the £trillions) is the equivalent of 4 years.
Now how much trouble is the UK in? Bearing in mind there is no debt collector after the UK.
Ewan,
Phrases like "the National debt at its maximum (if you count it in the £trillions) is the equivalent of 4 years" are so meaningless as to be nonsensical.
Why does it matter in what units you count it? "equivalent of 4 years" of what?
"Bearing in mind there is no debt collector after the UK." Really? What about the millions of people whose pensions have lent the government money by buying government bonds? You think they don't want their money back? You think the government could get away with not paying it back?
Keep spouting the nonsense.
Vin
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Its capitalism thats gone tits up
That's one of the funniest statements I have ever read.
Vin
Yes have to agree. Capitalism has not gone tits up, Capitalism is alive and kicking.
The top dogs of industry are salivating at their success, while the hard working employee is working harder to keep the wolf from the door!
Good point as the capitalist elite realise that slavery is a short term fix.For the system thats gone tits up however.
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Manufacturing in the UK is huge
Yeah right. I personally don't know anyone who makes anything!! Check your stats again, i think you'll find as a percentage of population head we manufacture next to nowt !!!!
If you can describe our manufacturing industry as 'huge' at present, how would you of described it when we made everything from tyres,cars and washing machines etc........'collosal' ?
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Its capitalism thats gone tits up
That's one of the funniest statements I have ever read.
Vin
Yes have to agree. Capitalism has not gone tits up, Capitalism is alive and kicking.
The top dogs of industry are salivating at their success, while the hard working employee is working harder to keep the wolf from the door!
Good point as the capitalist elite realise that slavery is a short term fix.For the system thats gone tits up however.
Oh, for heaven's sake. If you're a self-employed windy you are a capitalist. Don't think "capitalism" is something that happens only to some kind of "elite". If you own a sweaty rag to wipe a window and you (rather than a government) decide who you work for and what services you offer, then you are a capitalist.
If you want to talk about a failure of big business or big banks or whatever, fine, but don't use "capitalism" as shorthand for it.
You are a capitalist. Don't knock it.
Vin
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To give you some perspective
The typical mortgage for an individual is 25 years; the National debt at its maximum (if you count it in the £trillions) is the equivalent of 4 years.
Now how much trouble is the UK in? Bearing in mind there is no debt collector after the UK.
Ewan,
Phrases like "the National debt at its maximum (if you count it in the £trillions) is the equivalent of 4 years" are so meaningless as to be nonsensical. Really, it just means you have no idea to the amount of wealth this country has.
Why does it matter in what units you count it? "equivalent of 4 years" of what? Went over your head that one, its in comparison to the example
"Bearing in mind there is no debt collector after the UK." Really? What about the millions of people whose pensions have lent the government money by buying government bonds? You think they don't want their money back? You think the government could get away with not paying it back? Of course they want there money back, who wouldn’t. The government will blame the stock market/ the Banks the poor poor economy or Mrs Jones and people like you will continue to buy it.
Keep spouting the nonsense.
Vin
You know what, Ewan, I think you're right. You actually do know more about everything (including about what I think and believe) than I do.
And I've just remembered, I'm breaking my golden rule (below).
Vin
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Gordon Brown wants said in a speech, that we were becoming a nation of Window Cleaners
Well that's one thing he got right, judging by all the newbies starting up in my area.
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this as got to be one off the best post for a long time keep up the good work boys :)
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Its capitalism thats gone tits up
That's one of the funniest statements I have ever read.
Vin
Yes have to agree. Capitalism has not gone tits up, Capitalism is alive and kicking.
The top dogs of industry are salivating at their success, while the hard working employee is working harder to keep the wolf from the door!
Good point as the capitalist elite realise that slavery is a short term fix.For the system thats gone tits up however.
Oh, for heaven's sake. If you're a self-employed windy you are a capitalist. Don't think "capitalism" is something that happens only to some kind of "elite". If you own a sweaty rag to wipe a window and you (rather than a government) decide who you work for and what services you offer, then you are a capitalist.
If you want to talk about a failure of big business or big banks or whatever, fine, but don't use "capitalism" as shorthand for it.
You are a capitalist. Don't knock it.
Vin
I am self employed because i am un-employable !
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And i take great delight in deciding who not to work for and which services not to offer.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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Carbon Fibre poles at £500 plus a pop are a British success story.
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I personally know a number of people who own businesses that do manufacturing, so get to hear all the news coming from China, Indian and how that affects the European manufacturers.
The last bit of news I heard a couple of weeks ago is that a lot of work is coming back to UK/Europe because of the poor quality from Indian & China (still lots of moans from the owners of these business about Indian & China, British mentality!)
Are you sure about that?
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best get all dem skilled guys
fr collecting the trolleys at supermarkets then
cant see it myself ;D ;D