[idealrob]

David Cameron in his speech, talking about getting people of state benefits, gave an example of a window cleaner who leaver the house before dawn, and making a living and contributing towards society.

idealrob

[cozy]

Can't have meant me, never leave my bunker before 8.00 am.

[darren clarke]

how long before this turns in to david cameron said we should all become window cleaners

[mci services]

this is what he said

On enterpise: "When you think of a wealth creator, don't think of the tycoon in the glass tower, think of the man who gets up before dawn and goes out to clean windows... We need to get behind these small businesses and wealth creators... We'll cut business rates, but the job doesn't end there. I don't believe in laissez-faire, and we must act to build a better economy."

[Jack Wallace]

this is what he said

On enterpise: "When you think of a wealth creator, don't think of the tycoon in the glass tower, think of the man who gets up before dawn and goes out to clean windows... We need to get behind these small businesses and wealth creators... We'll cut business rates, but the job doesn't end there. I don't believe in laissez-faire, and we must act to build a better economy."

Sounds good to me, But no doubt he will be just like every other politician..... say one thing and do f all.

[poleman]

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/s-man-cleaning-windows/article-905405-detail/article.html

[RO-Sheen]

this is what he said

On enterpise: "When you think of a wealth creator, don't think of the tycoon in the glass tower, think of the man who gets up before dawn and goes out to clean windows... We need to get behind these small businesses and wealth creators... We'll cut business rates, but the job doesn't end there. I don't believe in laissez-faire, and we must act to build a better economy."

Hypocrite!!! 
My wife had an appointment with a business advisor at our local council offices as she has just qualified as a holistic massage therapist and wants to start up her own business. The Advisor told her that he is one of 20 advisors who volunteer their services FREE OF CHARGE to help people like my wife. They employ just one person to do the admin and pay her £13K per annum. The government pay the wage.
He told my wife the department is being threatened with been closed down to save money!!!
Doesn't the Government realise that if someone sets up a business the tax man will get more income, possible more jobs will be created if the the person employs AND it frees up a job where my wife would have previously occupied!
And to top it all off...........This is on Camerons doorstep. We live in Witney Oxfordshire and DC is our MP!!

[Paul Coleman]

Well Cameron is talking out of his arse because he will be removing child benefit from some of my best customers.  I wonder how some of them will be making up the shortfall (do we really need a window cleaner dear?).

[p1w1]

Well Cameron is talking out of his arse because he will be removing child benefit from some of my best customers.  I wonder how some of them will be making up the shortfall (do we really need a window cleaner dear?).

i think thats crap without getting into politics if someone is earning over i think its 44k then they dont need child benifit..

[cozy]

Well Cameron is talking out of his arse because he will be removing child benefit from some of my best customers.  I wonder how some of them will be making up the shortfall (do we really need a window cleaner dear?).

i think thats crap without getting into politics if someone is earning over i think its 44k then they dont need child benifit..

I agree, if you earn let's say 24000 a year, how do you feel about supporting someone on 44K ? I heard some woman complaing that they wont be able to put away the child benifit for their children for when they reach 18 !!!  UK is the only country in Europe that doesn't stop unemployment benifits when you rufuse work!!

If someone doesn't change something soon, you will have 1 working family supporting 2 families. Where does the money come from? Why do some of you work hard all month and take home less than someone who is unemployed but has more than 4 kids?

Time to look at the benifit state. Too many people think they are intitled to a comfortablre life at the cost of workers. How can the system be fair if people who don't want to work, can still afford to go out on the pop at weekends and smoke? How is it OK to allow people on benifits to take drugs?

Finally, some bloke stands up and says, if you wont work, you wont get benifits, better hope he does what he says.

Glad I no longer live in UK at the moment. Nothing wrong with the people, but the benifit state is choking you to death.

Added later, who cares if the 44K brigade cancel their WC? Stuff them, replace with 2 smaller custies.

End of rant

[Clive McDonald]

Patroitism is the lat refuge of the scoundrel.

We won't give benefite to people who refuse work.There is no work.Industry has got up and left the uk.

We are in the service industry (window cleaners) and we do not create wealth.That's just a fact, and it's disingenuos of cameron to say we do.Wealth is made by getting coal out of the ground, and building cars.

He says we must all start a business, but that's only because there are no jobs.What business? His implicit suggestion, is yes, window cleaning.

Brilliant, if the numptie worked for me i'd clip is ear and tell him to keep his gob shut.

[cozy]

Good point Clive, but you know what he meant.  Wealth isn't only created in such ways, see Ray Crock (McDonalds ) Look how big you could build your firm. You would creat wealth. What you need is a fair system, and not loads of freeloaders.

[Sean Dyer]

Service industries create wealth for the govt in taxes paid and jobs created which also pay tax and ni

he doesnt care if your shining a window or extracting coal/diamonds/gold

[cozy]

Exactly. Canada's wealth is mostly built on small to medium biz. If someone who was on 44K cancelled me because they couldn't afford a WC any more, I would happily go and replace them . Why is it a benifit anyway? why isn't it called "Hand out"?

[Perfect Windows]

Wealth is made by getting coal out of the ground, and building cars.

It's rare that I'm so categorical, but that's utter tosh, I'm afraid.

Turn iron ore and other raw materials into a car.  According to you, that builds wealth.  Turn chicken, flour and veg into a pie and serve it in a restaurant.  That's a service, so according to you doomsayers, that doesn't.  What's the difference? Before you point out that the car lasts, what about the manufacture of, say, straws?  Just as disposable as a chicken pie, but one's manufacturing, one's service.

Build a lathe.  That's manufacturing and hence, presumably, worthwhile.  Build the software to run the lathe.  That's a service, so probably not worth a fig in your view of the world.

If people like you ran the country we'd still be subsidising a tea-clipper building industry.  You're so wedded to "manufacturing good, service bad" that you can't see the wood for the trees.

Vin

[Dave Willis]

What quality goods do we manufacture?

[Moderator David@stives]

Gordon Brown wants said in a speech, that we were becoming a nation of Window Cleaners

[Dave Willis]

Didn't really answer my question Ewan. We seem to assemble several things that are manufactured abroad but I don't see a huge amount of quality manufacturing round my way. Several small industries going down the pan but nothing outstanding on my local industrial estate.
I was in the Print industry for over thirty years before all that went tits up. All the machinery was German. The Chinese beat us on price, the Italians beat us on quality and the management generally beat us into a demoralised mess.

[Nameless Drudge]

Its capitalism thats gone tits up and they dont know how to fix it yet as its never had to be fixed before on a massive scale.
Superinflation would shrink all the debts but completely screw up all the foundations.This is one big mess thats not been encountered before. As i see it, only a global war,a massive shrinking of the population and the victors starting from scratch gives an end result. I can see a cancellation of all debt as being the way out but then thats what would probably trigger the war. I often find myself wondering what might be the safest bit of the planet to be living in.

Its no wonder the JW movement is finding their numbers increasing as they believe armageddon is nigh and are looking forward to it as on judgement day they start eternal blissful life,the rest of us just cease. I am happy taking my chances as i dont fancy cleaning windows for ever and ever and ever.

[Perfect Windows]

Bizarre but true fact: we are the sixth biggest manufacturing nation in the world.

They asked a bundle of "experts" on Radio 4 to guess recently and they were guessing 20th - 40th.

Stop being so pessimistic, and rejoice that you live in a country as wonderful as ours is.

And before you mock, go and live somewhere else for a while and you'll see how good it is in the UK.

Vin