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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Perfect Windows on September 10, 2010, 07:53:59 pm
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This is a response to a bundle of threads recently that seem to lack economic common sense.
It seems clear to me that if I ask a price that is accepted most (but not all) of the time, then I've probably got it about right. I've had a handful of people say I charge too much, but it really has been a handful - and bear in mind that in a recent "how much for this job?" thread, I was amongst the most expensive responses. http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=104955.0;all
I think people need a dose of basic economics. If your customer is happy to pay £X for a clean, then you are simply emptying your own pockets if you charge a smaller amount. Now, that amount will vary across the country, but the variations I see are ridiculous. This is all symptomatic of a bigger malaise in our industry. There seems to be a feeling that if we charge what the customer will pay we are, in some way, ripping them off.
There's a guy in my city who charges £7.50 for houses I rate as £19. Who's the mug? I guarantee it's not me. And am I ripping my customers off? Basic economic theory suggest not. It's a free market, so they have alternatives (one of which is to keep their windows dirty). They choose to pay me the amount I charge.
And yet, and yet, I still hear people complain about "ripping off customers" or "not treating customers fairly".
Apologies if this feels like an invitation to an argument. It's meant to clarify basic economic theory and ask why we, as an industry, seem to ignore it.
Vin
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U R right :)
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Your right, but there will always be chancers who think they can work for that £7.50 and good luck to them if they can. There will also always be new starters desperate for the work so will be underpricing.
If you have a full round and don't need the work then why not price that house at £19? If they don't like your price then fine, the next customer will though, and so will the one after that.
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It is the same as the retail/ housing market where an item is only worth what someone will pay for it. I think with this trade it is also what the wc is comfortable to charge, i am not cheap but i am not the most expensive in my area, your £19 house may be a £15 house to me or i may charge £22!
We are all different and all need to earn different amounts for mortgages, repayments, advertising etc.
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A chimney sweep recently charged me £50 for a twenty minute job. Not many sweeps about, I moaned but paid up, that was his price and he got it.
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Charge what you like, dont be influenced by others, some people would spend 1/2 hour to to clean a £15 house, some other window cleaner would charge £5 and do it in 10 mins.
Do the mathes , both ways work.
Customer is happy both ways, one way gets a quality job, second way customer gets cheap job.
Can't see the problem myself.
That's why we have lidl and M&S, both are busy
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A cracking post/topic - hit the nail right on the head
Darran
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I agree with david charge what you want and don't worry about everyone else but if you do go for really high prices don't come on here moaning when you lose a few
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here here Dave. I clean a house wfp takes me 15 mins i charge 7.50 another company cleans next door charges 4.00 but is done in 6 or 7 mins. 2 houses cleaned both customers happy, wheres the problem?? there isnt one!!!
happy cleaning.. :D
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Hi Vin.
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Hi Vin.
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Just saying hi mate ive been working on my talkable difference and referal system.
A lot of the same topics pop up on here and eventually you get your own take even if you don't 'get' all the aspects. A few examples might be JW, daily earnings, simple leaflet or better one, which works best? Hot water or cold, signed van or mondeo, etc etc.
The only thing i'm really sure about is that collectively the forum/body of information has sprung me forward immensely.But this job is getting tougher, and you have to have your best game or you wil get stuffed.
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Charge what you like, dont be influenced by others, some people would spend 1/2 hour to to clean a £15 house, some other window cleaner would charge £5 and do it in 10 mins.
Do the mathes , both ways work.
Customer is happy both ways, one way gets a quality job, second way customer gets cheap job.
Can't see the problem myself.
That's why we have lidl and M&S, both are busy
You're correct. Different levels of service demand different prices and I didn't mean to mistake the two points.
I should have been clearer. To use a favourite economics phrase, all othe things being equal anyone charging less than they could for a given level of service is losing out. In my opinion, plenty of people in our game are doing so.
I do disagree with your point about the time taken being part of the equation; the cost of supply is largely irrelevant, what matters is how much the customer is prepared to pay. I don't see Mercedes saying a car should cost £60,000 because of the time and materials that go into it. No, they charge £60,000 because their customers see that as a reasonable price for what they are getting. The cost of manufacture never comes into it.
Yet, the moment we get gassing, the cost of supply comes up every time in conversations along the lines of "you must be a thief to get £xx per hour" or "I look after my customers by not overcharging". If the customer pays, no-one is stealing from anyone.
Vin
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This isn't on my radar, my figures aren't that different to anyone elses, but i have to work like a dog.Dave earns three times as much and swanns about all day.
The mercedes example is that they have managed to add value beyond a car. To match your favourite economic phrase with one of Dave's he once described himself as being 'reassuringly expensive'.
The variables are price, volume and quality.
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Vin why you bothered? if others were doing it wrong they will not last in the business so all the better for you, but if they don't fail then they are doing something right, either way just do what you want to do and ignore the stuff you don't like on forums. pick out the info you like and use it
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I think thats what i was trying to say.I got tired of saying hot was better, electric was better, slx was better, 400 is better than 200.No one cares.
It is a good thing to think out loud.
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Vin why you bothered? if others were doing it wrong they will not last in the business so all the better for you, but if they don't fail then they are doing something right, either way just do what you want to do and ignore the stuff you don't like on forums. pick out the info you like and use it
Stu, as always, talks sense.
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I think thats what i was trying to say.I got tired of saying hot was better, electric was better, slx was better, 400 is better than 200.No one cares.
It is a good thing to think out loud.
a lot of people read between the lines and pick out the best from posters well thats what I do, I was advised years ago to listen to all advice given and take the bits that I liked and use them and keep the bits i didnt like at the back of my mind in case it did not work my way, he also said I was free to disregard that bit of advice ;D
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This is a response to a bundle of threads recently that seem to lack economic common sense.
Its horrible when everyone doesn't agree with you or listen to what you say and just do their own thing anyway, isn't it? Just type out the industry standard rates for us and we'll abide by them. And send to hell anyoe who undercuts !!
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This is a response to a bundle of threads recently that seem to lack economic common sense.
Its horrible when everyone doesn't agree with you or listen to what you say and just do their own thing anyway, isn't it? Just type out the industry standard rates for us and we'll abide by them. And send to hell anyoe who undercuts !!
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you might be joking mike but that is exactly how i feel. The really nice guys on here work for peanuts, and when you try to give them a leg up they get resentful.
When i read things like i've been a wc fifteen years and i'm saving up for a system, or and i'm going to get rid of all the rubbish.They could do the job for a hundred years, they'd still be skint.
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So what`s the basic economics lesson?
You mean supply and demand? You went all around the houses for that didn`t you ::).
And in a crude way too.
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you might be joking mike but that is exactly how i feel. The really nice guys on here work for peanuts, and when you try to give them a leg up they get resentful.
When i read things like i've been a wc fifteen years and i'm saving up for a system, or and i'm going to get rid of all the rubbish.They could do the job for a hundred years, they'd still be skint.
Make no bones about it, a lot of window cleaners customer skills and buisness acumen goes no further than the mantra...."keep other window cleaners out of my area by telling them i've been here for years" and thats the extent of what they know and how they retain their buisness. A lot cannot charge more . simply because of the level of service they provide. I am now WFP and expanding rapidly. Where i am based is heavily 'patched' so its not without its day to day problems! I had yet another fat fella in a T shirt with a red face come and tell me i'm pinching all his work. The stupid fat numpty can't work out why people are dumping him and he's charged a fiver for years and i'm charging £13 for the same job. He thinks its me at fault !!! Its nowt to do with poor him !!! Save the economics lessons for someone who might need them. Where i am no one needs economics lessons, they work on the principle of keep the competition away and charge the most the custy will pay or tolerate for the service you provide, which in my case they seem to be paying no more than a fiver !!! At present anyway.
Bad day? Yeah !!!
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Charge what you like, dont be influenced by others, some people would spend 1/2 hour to to clean a £15 house, some other window cleaner would charge £5 and do it in 10 mins.
Do the mathes , both ways work.
Customer is happy both ways, one way gets a quality job, second way customer gets cheap job.
Can't see the problem myself.
That's why we have lidl and M&S, both are busy
You're correct. Different levels of service demand different prices and I didn't mean to mistake the two points.
I should have been clearer. To use a favourite economics phrase, all othe things being equal anyone charging less than they could for a given level of service is losing out. In my opinion, plenty of people in our game are doing so.
I do disagree with your point about the time taken being part of the equation; the cost of supply is largely irrelevant, what matters is how much the customer is prepared to pay. I don't see Mercedes saying a car should cost £60,000 because of the time and materials that go into it. No, they charge £60,000 because their customers see that as a reasonable price for what they are getting. The cost of manufacture never comes into it.
Yet, the moment we get gassing, the cost of supply comes up every time in conversations along the lines of "you must be a thief to get £xx per hour" or "I look after my customers by not overcharging". If the customer pays, no-one is stealing from anyone.
Vin
You’re wrong about the Mercedes car analogy; there is a huge difference between time & materials with a lot of similar products.
The cost of supply is relevant to a window cleaner, for example if your overheads are £400 a month and you service 100 customers each month the cost of service for each customer is £4 so there’s little point in having customers for less than £10 each. Likewise if you have 200 customers a month the cost is then £2 to service each customer, but now you have to factor in the total time element for the extra hundred customers so again there’s no point in charging less than £10. This is just simple division dealing with cost of sales, now all the other elements have to be included to reach your figure that you will be happy with.
I think one of the main issues with pricing is the delusional element of thinking £x amount of money is a lot because it’s often compared with the hourly rate of having a regular job.
Making the comparison with having a job is an accurate way to determine your minimum pricing, as long as you include everything otherwise its pointless.
Ewan, you're something of an enigma. I've never known someone to get such high prices for work and complete it so fast. I'm looking forward to you bringing a book out. I'll be your first customer.
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It's called 'leaving money on the table' if a customer expects to pay £20 and you charge £10 you leave the other £10 on the table rather than your pocket.
The secret is to find customers who have a higher valuation of your time.
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How do you actually know how much a customer is prepared to pay? Does anyone do a supply and demand curve?
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Mikecam Join the FWC if you haven’t already; I don’t see how anybody can complain legitimately about the trade and some of the people who work in it legally or illegally if you don’t even support your own trade association. You can present yourself and your business well, but that’s only for your benefit.
My prices aren’t outrageous; I just think a few on here charge to little, if they can go to the trouble of doing there numbers the price is fair, to the outsider i.e. the public or customers the numbers will appear high. But the window cleaner has a better grasp of what he’s doing, doesn’t he!
I'm a member mate and to be honest i would of been better off making up a logo saying the "United Kingdom Window Cleaners Association Member" and it would carry as much kudos. And i'm not saying your prices are outrageous either. I charge typically at least double any trad cleaners near me and have no probs getting work, either theirs or brand new buisness. Typically i find people are prepared to pay for a service, and the service they do NOT WANT is some one who turns up when they like and knocks for cash when they like. I take a bit longer on my jobs than what appears you do , from your posts, but like you i do get a premium. I ring 'em the day before and all that bollox too !!
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can someone clarify what the basic economic lesson is i.e. perfect windows what is your point? you typed a load on what you charge but what is your point and why is everyone else wrong, I am not disagreeing with you but I would like to know how you came up with your policy and what is the thinking behind it
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can someone clarify what the basic economic lesson is i.e. perfect windows what is your point? you typed a load on what you charge but what is your point and why is everyone else wrong, I am not disagreeing with you but I would like to know how you came up with your policy and what is the thinking behind it
Economics really all boils down to supply and demand; but that is a very broad area :-\.
People are getting a bit snobby about it, saying they know how much to charge. But do they?
For example- a £20 job,but the customer may be willing to pay more than that. Just because they are charging more than someone else doesn`t mean they have achieved the optimum price.
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can someone clarify what the basic economic lesson is i.e. perfect windows what is your point? you typed a load on what you charge but what is your point and why is everyone else wrong, I am not disagreeing with you but I would like to know how you came up with your policy and what is the thinking behind it
Economics really all boils down to supply and demand; but that is a very broad area :-\.
People are getting a bit snobby about it, saying they know how much to charge. But do they?
For example- a £20 job,but the customer may be willing to pay more than that. Just because they are charging more than someone else doesn`t mean they have achieved the optimum price.
yes i know that mate, I am just wondering why perfect windows feels the need to tell us all about it, he started this thread and I would like his insight into why he is right, not that I disagree by the way, I just want to know what his special rule of basic economics is
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stu e is after all PERFECT WINDOWS
i think theres a clue ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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can someone clarify what the basic economic lesson is i.e. perfect windows what is your point? you typed a load on what you charge but what is your point and why is everyone else wrong, I am not disagreeing with you but I would like to know how you came up with your policy and what is the thinking behind it
Economics really all boils down to supply and demand; but that is a very broad area :-\.
People are getting a bit snobby about it, saying they know how much to charge. But do they?
For example- a £20 job,but the customer may be willing to pay more than that. Just because they are charging more than someone else doesn`t mean they have achieved the optimum price.
yes i know that mate, I am just wondering why perfect windows feels the need to tell us all about it, he started this thread and I would like his insight into why he is right, not that I disagree by the way, I just want to know what his special rule of basic economics is
Yeah, I know what you mean;what was the lesson? And no mention of the 2 key words of basic economics.
How many of us really know what the best price to charge is? When we`re talking economics that is ::).
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i guess two types of customer those that want a pucker job and willing to pay a fair price for that and those that just want cheap job trouble is those cheapy customers still expect a pucker job.
im starting out in recent months and havent got a compact round (expect that will take years) and learning everyday how to price more accurately for myself. i find i feel resentful if i do a job i undercharge on (not dilebarately) i use the pound a window guide but when you have windows that are awkward to get to or have fancy trim that is a dirt trap it all adds time, like when switcihng from everyday pole to longer one more downtime to complete the job. i like to charge a min of ten pound a property i do a good job and believe im always worth more than i charge. i think ten pound min for any property anywhere in the country should base min coz its worth it in this day and age i remember as a kid 30 years ago wcers trad charging 2/3/4 quid i remember me mum getting money for the windy. withtimes as they are, costs as they are and cost of living - i mean a house 30 years ago was a damn site cheaper than now even in this current downturn isnt it realistic for people to accept at least ten quid as the going min rate for window cleaning whether trad or wfp.
i quoted a guy the other day for his windows the the conny windows and the conny roof - large conny - i said a tenner for the conny windows and 30 quid for roof and 15 for his windows - trust me guys the conny had a load of glass as had an apex and all glass. - he looked shocked at the price - i tried to be witty but after a poor night canvassing a must of snapped my reply cos he looked surprised - i said what were you expecting 3.50 ? havent got the job but woudnt have wanted it for any less either even starting out as i am - i dont wanna play the desperate game as wasting time on an underpaid job when i could be canvassing for better work you know what i mean...
sorry to have wafled on here., just thought id share in this thread. i am however loving this trade apart form the aching at times - especially today when i done a couple of houses late in the day and the son of my customer actually shouted to his mum from upstairs mum have you seen how clean these windows are... and another today was equally impressed with her 1st clean - have to admit leafletted the road on the 1st clean walked back to van and thought - ive done an awesome job there and they outshone all the other windows in the cul-de-sac. job satisfaction lol.
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mike i think youl be best joining the guild m8
lot cheaper n a lot better ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i guess two types of customer those that want a pucker job and willing to pay a fair price for that and those that just want cheap job trouble is those cheapy customers still expect a pucker job.
im starting out in recent months and havent got a compact round (expect that will take years) and learning everyday how to price more accurately for myself. i find i feel resentful if i do a job i undercharge on (not dilebarately) i use the pound a window guide but when you have windows that are awkward to get to or have fancy trim that is a dirt trap it all adds time, like when switcihng from everyday pole to longer one more downtime to complete the job. i like to charge a min of ten pound a property i do a good job and believe im always worth more than i charge. i think ten pound min for any property anywhere in the country should base min coz its worth it in this day and age i remember as a kid 30 years ago wcers trad charging 2/3/4 quid i remember me mum getting money for the windy. withtimes as they are, costs as they are and cost of living - i mean a house 30 years ago was a damn site cheaper than now even in this current downturn isnt it realistic for people to accept at least ten quid as the going min rate for window cleaning whether trad or wfp.
i quoted a guy the other day for his windows the the conny windows and the conny roof - large conny - i said a tenner for the conny windows and 30 quid for roof and 15 for his windows - trust me guys the conny had a load of glass as had an apex and all glass. - he looked shocked at the price - i tried to be witty but after a poor night canvassing a must of snapped my reply cos he looked surprised - i said what were you expecting 3.50 ? havent got the job but woudnt have wanted it for any less either even starting out as i am - i dont wanna play the desperate game as wasting time on an underpaid job when i could be canvassing for better work you know what i mean...
sorry to have wafled on here., just thought id share in this thread. i am however loving this trade apart form the aching at times - especially today when i done a couple of houses late in the day and the son of my customer actually shouted to his mum from upstairs mum have you seen how clean these windows are... and another today was equally impressed with her 1st clean - have to admit leafletted the road on the 1st clean walked back to van and thought - ive done an awesome job there and they outshone all the other windows in the cul-de-sac. job satisfaction lol.
jings that was a read ;) well done and good luck with the future
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i guess two types of customer those that want a pucker job and willing to pay a fair price for that and those that just want cheap job trouble is those cheapy customers still expect a pucker job.
im starting out in recent months and havent got a compact round (expect that will take years) and learning everyday how to price more accurately for myself. i find i feel resentful if i do a job i undercharge on (not dilebarately) i use the pound a window guide but when you have windows that are awkward to get to or have fancy trim that is a dirt trap it all adds time, like when switcihng from everyday pole to longer one more downtime to complete the job. i like to charge a min of ten pound a property i do a good job and believe im always worth more than i charge. i think ten pound min for any property anywhere in the country should base min coz its worth it in this day and age i remember as a kid 30 years ago wcers trad charging 2/3/4 quid i remember me mum getting money for the windy. withtimes as they are, costs as they are and cost of living - i mean a house 30 years ago was a damn site cheaper than now even in this current downturn isnt it realistic for people to accept at least ten quid as the going min rate for window cleaning whether trad or wfp.
i quoted a guy the other day for his windows the the conny windows and the conny roof - large conny - i said a tenner for the conny windows and 30 quid for roof and 15 for his windows - trust me guys the conny had a load of glass as had an apex and all glass. - he looked shocked at the price - i tried to be witty but after a poor night canvassing a must of snapped my reply cos he looked surprised - i said what were you expecting 3.50 ? havent got the job but woudnt have wanted it for any less either even starting out as i am - i dont wanna play the desperate game as wasting time on an underpaid job when i could be canvassing for better work you know what i mean...
sorry to have wafled on here., just thought id share in this thread. i am however loving this trade apart form the aching at times - especially today when i done a couple of houses late in the day and the son of my customer actually shouted to his mum from upstairs mum have you seen how clean these windows are... and another today was equally impressed with her 1st clean - have to admit leafletted the road on the 1st clean walked back to van and thought - ive done an awesome job there and they outshone all the other windows in the cul-de-sac. job satisfaction lol.
Some good points; but you may have to foresake a compact round, especially if you charge well. That`s not always a bad thing though.
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i find once yr 1st cleans r done which slow u done
no end n u xplain wfp rite then everythings plain sailing
easy peasy end of
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i guess two types of customer those that want a pucker job and willing to pay a fair price for that and those that just want cheap job trouble is those cheapy customers still expect a pucker job.
im starting out in recent months and havent got a compact round (expect that will take years) and learning everyday how to price more accurately for myself. i find i feel resentful if i do a job i undercharge on (not dilebarately) i use the pound a window guide but when you have windows that are awkward to get to or have fancy trim that is a dirt trap it all adds time, like when switcihng from everyday pole to longer one more downtime to complete the job. i like to charge a min of ten pound a property i do a good job and believe im always worth more than i charge. i think ten pound min for any property anywhere in the country should base min coz its worth it in this day and age i remember as a kid 30 years ago wcers trad charging 2/3/4 quid i remember me mum getting money for the windy. withtimes as they are, costs as they are and cost of living - i mean a house 30 years ago was a damn site cheaper than now even in this current downturn isnt it realistic for people to accept at least ten quid as the going min rate for window cleaning whether trad or wfp.
i quoted a guy the other day for his windows the the conny windows and the conny roof - large conny - i said a tenner for the conny windows and 30 quid for roof and 15 for his windows - trust me guys the conny had a load of glass as had an apex and all glass. - he looked shocked at the price - i tried to be witty but after a poor night canvassing a must of snapped my reply cos he looked surprised - i said what were you expecting 3.50 ? havent got the job but woudnt have wanted it for any less either even starting out as i am - i dont wanna play the desperate game as wasting time on an underpaid job when i could be canvassing for better work you know what i mean...
sorry to have wafled on here., just thought id share in this thread. i am however loving this trade apart form the aching at times - especially today when i done a couple of houses late in the day and the son of my customer actually shouted to his mum from upstairs mum have you seen how clean these windows are... and another today was equally impressed with her 1st clean - have to admit leafletted the road on the 1st clean walked back to van and thought - ive done an awesome job there and they outshone all the other windows in the cul-de-sac. job satisfaction lol.
Some good points; but you may have to foresake a compact round, especially if you charge well. That`s not always a bad thing though.
well now we get to the point that we already knew a good compact round can be priced cheaper but if your market is driving around doing higher priced work then fair enough, I have both on my books and I like it that way
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There`s a lot in favour of a compact round but if you`re starting out I wouldn`t price lower just because it`s next door or close by.
Unless you have little choice.
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gee nxt doors talk to each ova u no
n will want to no y you charging more etc ;D
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gee nxt doors talk to each ova u no
n will want to no y you charging more etc ;D
True, I said don`t price lower.
Next door was just an example.
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any way I would like the original poster to respond ??? and tell us the the solution but in the mean time i think my wife needs a good seeing to, so bye bye for now
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stus a lucky sod any way g where were we ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Don't worry Stu will be back in a minute or two ;D
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Don't worry Stu will be back in a minute or two ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So what`s the basic economics lesson?
You mean supply and demand? You went all around the houses for that didn`t you ::).
And in a crude way too.
can someone clarify what the basic economic lesson is i.e. perfect windows what is your point? you typed a load on what you charge but what is your point and why is everyone else wrong, I am not disagreeing with you but I would like to know how you came up with your policy and what is the thinking behind it
No, it's not about supply and demand. It's about money left on the table.
I really do not believe that everyone else is wrong: I just gave an example of one person who was leaving money on the table. He's offering a service that isn't quite where I like to feel mine is, but he could (and I'm saying should) be charging more. My feel for his quality of service (utterly subjectively) is at about the £12-£15 range. Thus, I argue that he's leaving between £4.50 and £7.50 on the table. He could charge that and still get the house (IMHO). In terms of the posts to which I was responding, it's a common theme on here that you're in some way ripping off the customer if you charge high prices.
So, back to money left on the table. The way businesses are supposed to detect who is price sensitive is to offer lower prices and put an obstacle in front of saving money. Alternatively, add a small extra service at a high price to get cash out of those happy to pay.
As an example, Starbucks offer both of these. They sell a cheap coffee called a "Short". The obstacle they place in front of you is that it isn't on their price list. You need to know about it and ask for it. Up at the other end of the scale are coffee syrups whose cost price is effectively nil and that are charged to you at a huge premium. Thus they offer a solution for the person to whom money matters a lot and those to whom the price is largely irrelevant. Tesco's solution is to make "value" packaging look awful so that people who can will avoid it. That way, they get more money out of people who will pay not to look cheap.
So, how to prevent leaving money on the table? I consider my gold standard service to be a six-weekly wash, which for a standard semi is £16. So, allowing for four weeks a year of hols for me, that means 8 cleans so £16x8 = £128 a year. I get this amount out of someone who isn't price sensitive. Someone who is more keen on reducing their expenditure can ask me to come quarterly, at £24x4 = £96 a year. The obstacle for them is dirtier windows, so they need to want to save the money. For someone who is utterly dedicated to low price, I will offer twice a year at £32x2 = £64 a year. That isn't on my price list, so they need to request it: larger obstacle. It seems to do the job; I'm not cheap by any means, but most customers find a way to get what they are looking for from me, at much different prices.
No doubt you will think I'm overcomplicating it, but it goes some way towards resolving what's a complex issue.
Hope that clarifies what I was trying to say. "I just think a lot of people are undercharging" might be a good summary. I think I've found a partial solution, but I'm always looking for new ideas on how to get the most from my customers in a way that leaves us both smiling.
Vin
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Ewan regularly posts then deletes them.
Vin
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Is there a particular reason?
Yes, initially he liked to attract attention to himself by being controversial, he isnt actually a window cleaner Aqua, he's a security guard. Most days he comes on here in his coffee break and at night when there isn't so much for him to do at work. I seem to remember him once saying that they only have to patrol the premises he works at every other hour, so he has plenty of time in which to browse around on here.
Now though people have 'sussed' him out he likes to try to gain some sort of notoriety as being the 'guy that deletes his posts' ???
Theres no logic nor rhyme or reason behind him.
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Ok, the thread's now officially been hijacked.
Please start a "Ewan bashing" thread elsewhere.
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Thanks Vin.
Hi Ewan,
I delete them after a short while
Is there a particular reason?
Regarding sales of the Aqua-dapter, I think it's fair to say we weren't really sure exactly what to expect, but it has been going well, we're really busy and all the signs are encouraging. The reviews we've had have been great, so thanks to everyone who has posted on here!
I don't want to hi-jack this thread (any more) though, so I'll leave it there.
Paul
No reason Paul, other than its easier to have a change of opinion.
Good to hear the aqua-dapter is going well, maybe you could explain the ‘economics’ about pricing a product to keep on subject? I know some have questioned the price without the current discount offered. I.e. the cost/time of research & development - tooling manufacturing cost, direct cost/indirect cost, product order size and the size of the market etc
Then maybe explain the margins in relation to the margin/hourly rate a window cleaner will earn. Personally without the discount I thought the price of the aqua-dapter was good, if the market size/sales are smaller then it will go to explain why some products have to be priced higher because there’s little point or incentive for the manufacturer to produce it.
Enough. Thread now locked.