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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: cleewindows on August 18, 2010, 08:16:02 am
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on a commision only basis,im going to pay them £5 for every regular customer on completion of first clean.
want to get someone out 10 hours a week in the evenings and i will also be out knocking too.
does anyone else do this?
i need to pack my full time job in and do the windows full time.
im building a decent round up but must try harder and push it further.
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the rate is to low. If you can get someone to work for that then good luck ;)
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Canvassing should turn up at least one new customer per hour so a fiver plus per hour equates to similar wages paid elsewhere.
However, I would be a bit concerned about the quality of the leads but you have to just work through thatm
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Canvassing should turn up at least one new customer per hour so a fiver plus per hour equates to similar wages paid elsewhere.
However, I would be a bit concerned about the quality of the leads but you have to just work through thatm
Sounds good in theory dun it
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A fiver an hour equates to similiar wages my arse!
That kind of money is only going to attract foreigners. I love reading the money people pay on here but wouldnt dream about working for that rate themselves.
So, anyway, when Jonny foreigner turns up to do your menial canvassing work dont start harping on about 'bloody foreigners nicking all our work' because with those rates you wont get any 'home-grown' staff.
£5.00 an hour at night ??? ??? ??? :o :o
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Its a good idea. Not sure how the comm rates will pan out. Normally comm only jobs are worked out on the product that is being sold of being high value returns in commission rates.
So your canvasser is going to have to do high volume calling.
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A fiver an hour equates to similiar wages my arse!
That kind of money is only going to attract foreigners. I love reading the money people pay on here but wouldnt dream about working for that rate themselves.
So, anyway, when Jonny foreigner turns up to do your menial canvassing work dont start harping on about 'bloody foreigners nicking all our work' because with those rates you wont get any 'home-grown' staff.
£5.00 an hour at night ??? ??? ??? :o :o
well said and very very true,
if I were gonna do such a thing I would go through the job centre and place an ad for a se;f employed canvasser and sign the job centre agreement to say I was gonna pay at least the minimen wage which is what you have to do, but I would pay them £10 per hour for 10 hours a week work.
if they didn'tr get you work in the 1st week then I lose £100 and not use them again, however an experienced canvasser ( doesn't matter what area of canvassing ) would bring in work in the first week.
as far as I'm concerned if you treat people with respect and pay a far rate for their services they will DELIVER, pay them a miserly wage and treat them like dirt and you get what you get.
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Fiver a custy.get 4 custys a hour 20 quid not Fiver a hour
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Fiver a custy.get 4 custys a hour 20 quid not Fiver a hour
if you found someone that could get 4 an hour every hour i would pay them 40-60 quid an hour no worries
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Fiver a custy.get 4 custys a hour 20 quid not Fiver a hour
Clee what happens if they work 4 5 or 6 hours and blank, would they get nothing?
And if you are still on the sick and think 4 custards an hour is possible, would it not pay you to get the work.
Lee
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I pay mine 1.25x 4 weekly work and 1x 8 weekly, averages £100 a time, If I offered him £5 a job he would tell me where to go and I would lose him to a competitor.....
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we pay them price of first cleane. eg £10 HOUSE THEY GET £10 IF THEY PICK UP £80 pounds worth of then they get £80 only after first clean is done
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i pay 0.7 x price of clean but i push my guys to price high
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I'm not on the sick anymore else I would be knocking doors.
If they don't get work they don't get paid.
Fiver a custy.get 4 custys a hour 20 quid not Fiver a hour
Clee what happens if they work 4 5 or 6 hours and blank, would they get nothing?
And if you are still on the sick and think 4 custards an hour is possible, would it not pay you to get the work.
Lee
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I am not sure about this as I am completly new to this and planning my cancassing carefully would it not be better to do it yourself but knocking each door, Ithink it is harder to say no to someone face to face as opposed to a simple leaflet through the door the canvassing will take a great deal longer but maybe someone can clarify the success rate of signed up customers as opposed to a simple leaflet drop especially in an area you know they have no Window Cleaner.
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Clee windows, you wont get anyone who's any good on that deal. At the rates your talking you're wasting your time.
Gaining good paying work costs money. Oh and if you can find a canvasser who will get you 3/4 jobs an hour on a regular basis he/she's worth £30 minimum an hour plus commision on the clean.
But good luck,
Mark
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yeah to be fair thats more like it pal,thats probably what i should be looking at.
atleast that way you lose nothing,after the first month your quids in.
Do you pay them nothing if they get no jobs for you?
How sucessfull are they?
how many people do you have working for you?
how much work to they pick up for you on average per hour?
cheers m8
we pay them price of first cleane. eg £10 HOUSE THEY GET £10 IF THEY PICK UP £80 pounds worth of then they get £80 only after first clean is done
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If you pay someone the equivalant of 1st clean then there prices should be quite good, if they where getting £5 a job the chances are they will be really cheap just to earn money, so a house worth £15 a month might get quoted at £6 just so they earn as they wouldnt care what you earn but if they no there getting a minimum of 1st clean a £15 job could turn into a £20 job as they will earn more....
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Fiver a custy.get 4 custys a hour 20 quid not Fiver a hour
Youve edited your original post.
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im going to pay for first cleans
i never said fiver a hour i said fiver a job now im thinking i will pay for first cleans.so if they make £50 worth of work for every 4 week cleans in 2 hours i will pay £50 on completion of first cleans
Fiver a custy.get 4 custys a hour 20 quid not Fiver a hour
Youve edited your original post.
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why r u not knocking your self clee?
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dont have the time or enthusiasim im afraid but will go out and knock with my worker for a few hours
when my daughter is back at school my mrs will be knocking doors for me and i will be paying her as she is very good at it!
why r u not knocking your self clee?
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Im a telesales freelancer, have been for 10 years
Its conversion rates and value of the product, I charge an hourly rate and do not do comm only jobs.
You cant call this kind of job on comm only the call volume is too high and the value is too low
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dont have the time or enthusiasim im afraid but will go out and knock with my worker for a few hours
when my daughter is back at school my mrs will be knocking doors for me and i will be paying her as she is very good at it!
why r u not knocking your self clee?
i wouldnt bother advertising for a knocker just get misses to do it then. if you dont knock your self then you are not in control of your destiny
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It can be done if structured properly.
Paying a telesales person yes, but the product value is too low to make any money out of.
Because the person is going to have to know how to quote over the phone.
You HAVE to pay an hourly rate, the value is too low on a commission basis.
Its high volume calling and hitting lucky
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kate1
what the average hourly charge for this, say commercial work
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A good deal seems to be 50% of the 1st clean and 20/25% of the second clean on completion. It eases it on your own pocket and gives an incentive for them to get repeat buisness.
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so what do you think would be right then?£6 ph plus half of every first clean?
Im a telesales freelancer, have been for 10 years
Its conversion rates and value of the product, I charge an hourly rate and do not do comm only jobs.
You cant call this kind of job on comm only the call volume is too high and the value is too low
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2 weeks till she can do it so want to start right away pal and if goes well will have 2 people knocking so double the work.
dont have the time or enthusiasim im afraid but will go out and knock with my worker for a few hours
when my daughter is back at school my mrs will be knocking doors for me and i will be paying her as she is very good at it!
why r u not knocking your self clee?
i wouldnt bother advertising for a knocker just get misses to do it then. if you dont knock your self then you are not in control of your destiny
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How long have you been going clee?
I was wondering as you say your still part time cleaning and full time employed.
How long has taken you to get however many custys.
cheers
Darren
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end of march m8
upto 70 custys but for june n july was doing lots of driveway cleans
picking up custys regular when out so not doing too bad!
How long have you been going clee?
I was wondering as you say your still part time cleaning and full time employed.
How long has taken you to get however many custys.
cheers
Darren
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thats good mate....
I am upto 17 so long way to go until i leave my job lol......gutted
When do you have the time to fit 70 in m8
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you have job too m8?
try the same as me m8,employ someone to knock.
if i was just a window cleaner i would be out knocking every evening but i work nights 4 nights a week so just dont feel like knocking when i know i have to go work.
thats good mate....
I am upto 17 so long way to go until i leave my job lol......gutted
When do you have the time to fit 70 in m8
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i work monday to thursday night.
so i have friday saturday sunday monday and a few in the week but never work sundays unless i get busy
mondays i do about 12 in the morning and saturdays work till dinner!
but hoping to get to over 200 and then at 250 start thinking about doing the windows full time!
thats good mate....
I am upto 17 so long way to go until i leave my job lol......gutted
When do you have the time to fit 70 in m8
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I am going to do it slightly differently as i work 7.30-5.00 mon - fri.
I want to get to 80 then get a part time job and with the spare time get out there to hit 200 to full time clean please.please...... ;D ;D
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Cleewindows, pay one good canvasser decent money, with two muppets you'll just double the ammount of aggravation. You want to grow, but you dont want to pay. Maybe look for a more realistic method of growing customers.
So you want a canvasser to go out and knock, find you good priced work , say a small semi at £15 done 4 weekly ie £180 a year. And you will pay £7.50 after youve cleaned it, then another £3.75 a month later?? Who with half a brain would stand for that?
But good luck.
Mark
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fair point, good luck with it
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get your advert going for a canvasser m8.
where abouts in the country are you pal?
good luck m8,much better working for yourself isnt it.
i will be aiming at areas im getting a few in.im putting a advert in the paper this week too to try and get a few more custys as i did advertise a few months ago and picked a couple up,one of them was ok but 4 miles away,went there last week and got her 4 neighbours too as they have sacked there window cleaner so the £9 is now £45 which isnt bad and done in hour n a half.
I am going to do it slightly differently as i work 7.30-5.00 mon - fri.
I want to get to 80 then get a part time job and with the spare time get out there to hit 200 to full time clean please.please...... ;D ;D
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my mrs will be doing it in 2 weeks but if i find someone good and reliable i dont mind paying them well aswell as the mrs.
im looking at paying full first clean.
im sure people will snap my hands off for the job.
will make them wear uniform aswell.
Cleewindows, pay one good canvasser decent money, with two muppets you'll just double the ammount of aggravation. You want to grow, but you dont want to pay. Maybe look for a more realistic method of growing customers.
So you want a canvasser to go out and knock, find you good priced work , say a small semi at £15 done 4 weekly ie £180 a year. And you will pay £7.50 after youve cleaned it, then another £3.75 a month later?? Who with half a brain would stand for that?
But good luck.
Mark
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cleewindows>>>>>>>>>>>>if you aint got the enthusiaism to knock on some doors for your own benefit you should be doing a nine till 5 in a factory pal. and to offer a fiver, are you for real. stupid man >:( >:(
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who u calling stupid man?trouble maker!
;D ;D ;D
cleewindows>>>>>>>>>>>>if you aint got the enthusiaism to knock on some doors for your own benefit you should be doing a nine till 5 in a factory pal. and to offer a fiver, are you for real. stupid man >:( >:(
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so what do you think would be right then?£6 ph plus half of every first clean?
Im a telesales freelancer, have been for 10 years
Its conversion rates and value of the product, I charge an hourly rate and do not do comm only jobs.
You cant call this kind of job on comm only the call volume is too high and the value is too low
You have to pay at least the minimum wage per hour or you are breaking the law.
You have to have employers insurance, and pay their tax and N.I. too.
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no im paying on a self employed basis
down to them to declare it and pay tax and natonal insurance
so what do you think would be right then?£6 ph plus half of every first clean?
Im a telesales freelancer, have been for 10 years
Its conversion rates and value of the product, I charge an hourly rate and do not do comm only jobs.
You cant call this kind of job on comm only the call volume is too high and the value is too low
You have to pay at least the minimum wage per hour or you are breaking the law.
You have to have employers insurance, and pay their tax and N.I. too.
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cleewindows>>>>>>>>>>>>if you aint got the enthusiaism to knock on some doors for your own benefit you should be doing a nine till 5 in a factory pal. and to offer a fiver, are you for real. stupid man >:( >:(
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i know m8 he is a troll!
cleewindows>>>>>>>>>>>>if you aint got the enthusiaism to knock on some doors for your own benefit you should be doing a nine till 5 in a factory pal. and to offer a fiver, are you for real. stupid man >:( >:(
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cleewindows>>>>>>>>>>>>if you aint got the enthusiaism to knock on some doors for your own benefit you should be doing a nine till 5 in a factory pal. and to offer a fiver, are you for real. stupid man >:( >:(
Leights
Remember what I said before on another topic??
Very aggressive posts ;)
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lol bob, u really are besotted with my cousin
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also cleewindows i hope you got employers insurance and will be paying the stamp, ??
its a big thing with me, im a law abiding citizen, i hope you are to
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not had time to read all posts but i have been thinking about this recently and thought about this way of doing it
they get £6.50 an hour regardless, if they hit £100 new work they get £30 extra straight away as this would be there minimum target for ten hours = one new job at £10 avg an hour
then if they hit over that then between 100 - 250 give them 50 % of first clean (charging double on them so they are getting equivalent of one clean , and they are motivated to charge double to get more) then over 250 in a week give them 100 % of first clean on everything over 250 ....
we used to work ona similar basis at npower it incentivices good quality work and good volume
but you need a proper sales person or at least someone you can train in to that otherwise your wasting yuor time and theres
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Agree with Leights above.
How do you sort out tax & insurance if you are already employed ???
Bob
ps Leights, is ur cousin female? :)
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Same as anyone who is self employed
Agree with Leights above.
How do you sort out tax & insurance if you are already employed ???
Bob
ps Leights, is ur cousin female? :)
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bob,just looked at your web site, not bad .
how much was that backpack you get there?
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no im paying on a self employed basis
down to them to declare it and pay tax and natonal insurance
What is there other job?? as surely they wont be earning enough to sustain themselves from just your canvassing.
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bob,just looked at your web site, not bad .
how much was that backpack you get there?
eerrr What backpack? Do you mean the trolley? It was made by Andrew Mc cann.
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r right cool thanks bob.
that sounded very aggresive by the way ;D ;D
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rolmao ;D
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basically cash in hand
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basically cash in hand
:o shocking a window cleaner encouraging benefit fraud. That will make the canvasser a cowboy and not to be trusted ::)
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So you want a canvasser to go out and knock, find you good priced work , say a small semi at £15 done 4 weekly ie £180 a year. And you will pay £7.50 after youve cleaned it, then another £3.75 a month later?? Who with half a brain would stand for that?
Someone who won't /can't climb a ladder or fork out for a wfp van system or just wants a bit of suit your self/hours work?Someone looking to earn an extra few quid for their hols, etc etc
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Just my humble opinion
I would pay an hourly rate, with targets and bonuses.
Structured scheme - as I said the product that you are selling is not enough high value to be comm only. However if based around a certain amount of new business - you have to offer an incentive as in all sales jobs, otherwise no motivation to do well.
Im no expert in this industry with regards to conversion rates, and how many calls you would have to make to get a booking, you can only judge this if you have done the cold calling yourself.
You could for example, X amount of new business £15, and so forth. (thats just a speculative bonus)
Heres a site thats looking for people, however I dont think that they will have much luck with comm only
http://www.peopleperhour.com/
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i think you should do it yourself clee.your just starting out and i think you and your missus(if shes clued up with what to charge)should be knocking every weekend!
i dont think you can expect a good solid round without putting the work in yourself.meet your potential customers and put a face to your business and dont rely on others to build your business for you!YOU know what you want to charge!YOU know whether to take on the job!YOU dont pay anyone and keep the money from first cleans yourself.
personally i think your starting off on the wrong foot.i went canvassing every weekend for 6 months when i started 16 years ago as well as working for another windy and playing drums in 2 gigging bands!! ;D ;D.
dazmond
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its a weak way out, getting someone to do your dirty work for you.
its raining today guess what im doing after my gutter clean??? knocking
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have you not got enough work leights? ;) ;D ;D ;D
i dont go looking for work unless its a new custy in a new area i dont clean in then i do canvass the ones next to it.
since ive got wfp im getting more and more add ons from my regular custies.i have 340 custies at present.one man band.im enjoying it most days though!!
dazmond
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like i say m8 i work 4 nights a week,saturday i clean windows all day.
its the school holidays so my wife has my 5 year old daughter
sundays i spend with my daughter
we have no family around us to look after my daughter.
i will pay someone and if there good they can keep going!
id love to have the time to knock doors but truth of the matter is i don't!
Leights i pay tax n national insurance aswell as liability insurances!
i have had a few apply for the jobs i have going so hopefully jobs will fly in!
i think you should do it yourself clee.your just starting out and i think you and your missus(if shes clued up with what to charge)should be knocking every weekend!
i dont think you can expect a good solid round without putting the work in yourself.meet your potential customers and put a face to your business and dont rely on others to build your business for you!YOU know what you want to charge!YOU know whether to take on the job!YOU dont pay anyone and keep the money from first cleans yourself.
personally i think your starting off on the wrong foot.i went canvassing every weekend for 6 months when i started 16 years ago as well as working for another windy and playing drums in 2 gigging bands!! ;D ;D.
dazmond
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cleewindows
What is your other job?
bob
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So you want a canvasser to go out and knock, find you good priced work , say a small semi at £15 done 4 weekly ie £180 a year. And you will pay £7.50 after youve cleaned it, then another £3.75 a month later?? Who with half a brain would stand for that?
Someone who won't /can't climb a ladder or fork out for a wfp van system or just wants a bit of suit your self/hours work?Someone looking to earn an extra few quid for their hols, etc etc
Someone who doesnt give a monkeys then basically, if they arent hungry then your wasting your time 9 times out of ten. Sounds like someone who may work just when they feel like it, and when theyve knocked for an hour and got nothing go home. You want canvassers who want to earn money, they will keep knocking when everyone else has gone home. And more importantly , they will make you some money.
Good luck.
Mark
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yea i got enough work, my moto is,
alan suger dinn get rich by fininshing at 4pm lol.
340 is good ammounti wont say how many i have, but if i had over 2300 i would still knock every day
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340 is good ammounti
Could someone translate that please?
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340 is good ammounti
Could someone translate that please?
Could be customers
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340 for 2 vans?
thats not very many custys!
yea i got enough work, my moto is,
alan suger dinn get rich by fininshing at 4pm lol.
340 is good ammounti wont say how many i have, but if i had over 2300 i would still knock every day
Its dazmond that has 340 not leights, keep up
clee what hours do you work
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i work 10 pm till 6 am nights but travel 1 hour to work! :(
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i work 10 pm till 6 am nights but travel 1 hour to work! :(
so sleep 7.30 till 3.30 have a bite and knock 4 till 7pm and keep of the forum until at least 8pm and tell us how well you did knocking ;) its hard to get motivated when you have the safety of a job trust me if you lost it you would knock like a madman
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1 i have a crook back and neck at the moment from my accident!
2 i have family things to do
3 mondays and fridays have my daughter all day with my mrs at work during holiday time
4 i dont like knocking doors much
5 i would rather pay people to do it for me.
6 if i wasnt working nights i would be knocking doors everyday!But im not going to pack my job in until my claim comes through and will sell my shares and have some money behind me aswell as a much bigger round by then,about next march or may!!
i work 10 pm till 6 am nights but travel 1 hour to work! :(
so sleep 7.30 till 3.30 have a bite and knock 4 till 7pm and keep of the forum until at least 8pm and tell us how well you did knocking ;) its hard to get motivated when you have the safety of a job trust me if you lost it you would knock like a madman
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clee if you ve got a bad neck and back already then full time window cleaning WFP will probably make it worse mate.
remember P.R WINDOW CLEANING?he had to pack in because of his back
dazmond
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1 i have a crook back and neck at the moment from my accident!
2 i have family things to do
3 mondays and fridays have my daughter all day with my mrs at work during holiday time
4 i dont like knocking doors much
5 i would rather pay people to do it for me.
6 if i wasnt working nights i would be knocking doors everyday!But im not going to pack my job in until my claim comes through and will sell my shares and have some money behind me aswell as a much bigger round by then,about next march or may!!
i work 10 pm till 6 am nights but travel 1 hour to work! :(
so sleep 7.30 till 3.30 have a bite and knock 4 till 7pm and keep of the forum until at least 8pm and tell us how well you did knocking ;) its hard to get motivated when you have the safety of a job trust me if you lost it you would knock like a madman
if you can't work mondays and fridays how you gonna run a business, if you have the kids for the holidays what will you do if you are full time. you have family things to do, when running a business everything comes second until you are established, you only have a bad back back because you are playing the system for a claim, don't deny it you put a post up telling us all about it, you would rather pay someone to do something you can't do, I always went by the ethos of never ask another to do something I would not. work hard play hard mate ;)
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sorry I was being a bit harsh
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to be honest clee i think when u get ur claim and it could take years mine took 4 years to get sort, u will look at buying around rather that building one up, as no disrespect you seem to have every reason not to go knocking
1 i have a crook back and neck at the moment from my accident!
it will only get worse with wc, trust me
2 i have family things to do
we all do
3 mondays and fridays have my daughter all day with my
mrs at work during holiday time
i only work 3 days a week my self as misses going back to college two days a week in sept
4 i dont like knocking doors much
no one does but best way to get work and you get to know the custys
5 i would rather pay people to do it for me.
fair enough but i dont think you will get a lot at what u want to pay
6 if i wasnt working nights i would be knocking doors everyday!But im not going to pack my job in until my claim comes through and will sell my shares and have some money behind me aswell as a much bigger round by then,about next march or may!!
like stu said just do a few hours
i work 10 pm till 6 am nights but travel 1 hour to work! :(
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playing the system?
i had a forklift truck crash into my back at full speed?????
if thats playing the system i would rather i never got hit because its agony so no im not playing the system.
1 i have a crook back and neck at the moment from my accident!
2 i have family things to do
3 mondays and fridays have my daughter all day with my mrs at work during holiday time
4 i dont like knocking doors much
5 i would rather pay people to do it for me.
6 if i wasnt working nights i would be knocking doors everyday!But im not going to pack my job in until my claim comes through and will sell my shares and have some money behind me aswell as a much bigger round by then,about next march or may!!
i work 10 pm till 6 am nights but travel 1 hour to work! :(
so sleep 7.30 till 3.30 have a bite and knock 4 till 7pm and keep of the forum until at least 8pm and tell us how well you did knocking ;) its hard to get motivated when you have the safety of a job trust me if you lost it you would knock like a madman
if you can't work mondays and fridays how you gonna run a business, if you have the kids for the holidays what will you do if you are full time. you have family things to do, when running a business everything comes second until you are established, you only have a bad back back because you are playing the system for a claim, don't deny it you put a post up telling us all about it, you would rather pay someone to do something you can't do, I always went by the ethos of never ask another to do something I would not. work hard play hard mate ;)
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m8 i will get better have muscle and nerve damage.
if it doesnt i will pay someone to do my round and canvass to get 3 or 4 vans on the road,live on profits!
im worker not a quitter and if i had the time to knock i would be and i would get work in by the barrell load!
clee if you ve got a bad neck and back already then full time window cleaning WFP will probably make it worse mate.
remember P.R WINDOW CLEANING?he had to pack in because of his back
dazmond
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Pr Paul Rulton im not saying you are a quitter m8 as i know your a right sound bloke,but his back is disc damage where mine isnt!