When an offer is not an offer

« **on:** December 11, 2011, 09:03:32 pm »

I've just been looking through the offer sent through by a product supplier.
Basically it's 10% off everything this weekend only.
Interesting I thought, I might just give that SPM a go on the back of it, BUT, I'd be better off waiting for a no offer week....why? Because you have to pay £10.50 postage on items below £75 and because the offer makes SPM £71.82 it would be cheaper to pay the full price and not pay postage

« **Reply #1 on:** December 11, 2011, 09:13:44 pm »

or buy some thing else for £3.19p

« **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2011, 09:22:48 pm »

I was thinking the same thing Mike I had to read it twice!

Shaun

« **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2011, 09:25:56 pm »

Just bought some SPM tonight,bought something else I needed and got free delivery.Anything instead of watching this nauseating,cringeworthy X Factor

I hope its good as you have to buy 15kg of the stuff.

« **Reply #4 on:** December 11, 2011, 09:47:11 pm »

Just ordered some SPM and got a smal bottle of Natural Odour Neutraliser.
10% off SPM and the neutraliser was less than half price .
Got frre delivery, so actually i find it a good offer

Andrew

« **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2011, 11:48:29 pm »

when you bought on friday

« **Reply #6 on:** December 12, 2011, 07:42:53 am »

What's spm ?

« **Reply #7 on:** December 12, 2011, 08:13:02 am »

Quote from: PaulKing on December 12, 2011, 07:42:53 am

What's spm ?

http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/solution-s-p-m.html

« **Reply #8 on:** December 12, 2011, 10:28:48 am »

Wayne

If you ring and ask they'll sell you a 5kg tub to
see if you like it.

John

« **Reply #9 on:** December 12, 2011, 05:10:29 pm »

There was a programme on the other week about supermarkets making things to be on offer like large tubs of marg. Turns out two smaller tubs to the same weight were cheaper.... and people were buying the large tub.

« **Reply #10 on:** December 12, 2011, 05:46:35 pm »

Quote from: wynne jones on December 12, 2011, 05:10:29 pm

There was a programme on the other week about supermarkets making things to be on offer like large tubs of marg. Turns out two smaller tubs to the same weight were cheaper.... and people were buying the large tub.

I always look at the price per litre in supermarkets, mainly Carlsberg....

« **Reply #11 on:** December 12, 2011, 06:37:34 pm »

How much is carriage normally on the mainland?

Mark

« **Reply #12 on:** December 12, 2011, 06:59:27 pm »

Quote from: JandS on December 12, 2011, 10:28:48 am

Wayne

If you ring and ask they'll sell you a 5kg tub to
see if you like it.

John

i asked solutions if you could get smaller tubs a few months ago answer was a no . so didnt buy any as was not prepared to spend £70 on something just to try

« **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2011, 08:09:46 pm »

Quote from: Richard Basey-Fisher on December 12, 2011, 06:59:27 pm

Quote from: JandS on December 12, 2011, 10:28:48 am
Wayne

If you ring and ask they'll sell you a 5kg tub to
see if you like it.

John

i asked solutions if you could get smaller tubs a few months ago answer was a no . so didnt buy any as was not prepared to spend £70 on something just to try

Yer tight fisted farm yacker.....

I would have thought you TM boys see £70 as loose change mate....

« **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2011, 08:23:23 pm »

Quote

Yer tight fisted farm yacker

that a colloquialism where you live Colin ??

« **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2011, 08:40:09 pm »

Just got my 5kg tub today and an ideal job for it at 9.30.
EOT flat, it's in a converted mill where I do about 5 or 6
a month for the owner and they come in all shapes and
sizes. Mingers to not bad at all.

John

« **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2011, 09:30:10 pm »

Might have to try some of this myself and buy a 5k tub..

« **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2011, 09:40:13 pm »

Quote from: Colin Day on December 12, 2011, 08:09:46 pm

Quote from: Richard Basey-Fisher on December 12, 2011, 06:59:27 pm
Quote from: JandS on December 12, 2011, 10:28:48 am
Wayne

If you ring and ask they'll sell you a 5kg tub to
see if you like it.

John

i asked solutions if you could get smaller tubs a few months ago answer was a no . so didnt buy any as was not prepared to spend £70 on something just to try

Yer tight fisted farm yacker.....

I would have thought you TM boys see £70 as loose change mate....

colin i have no idea why you think i am tight i even took the mrs to pizza hut the other night

« **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2011, 10:13:44 pm »

Was that to drop her off for her shift?

Shaun

« **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2011, 10:31:58 pm »

I booked a table the other night.

Dont mind taking her to snooker some times

« **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2011, 10:37:57 pm »

Quote from: Richard Basey-Fisher on December 12, 2011, 09:40:13 pm

Quote from: Colin Day on December 12, 2011, 08:09:46 pm
Quote from: Richard Basey-Fisher on December 12, 2011, 06:59:27 pm
Quote from: JandS on December 12, 2011, 10:28:48 am
Wayne

If you ring and ask they'll sell you a 5kg tub to
see if you like it.

John

i asked solutions if you could get smaller tubs a few months ago answer was a no . so didnt buy any as was not prepared to spend £70 on something just to try

Yer tight fisted farm yacker.....

I would have thought you TM boys see £70 as loose change mate....

colin i have no idea why you think i am tight i even took the mrs to pizza hut the other night

I've worked for farm yackers up in Eaglesfield during the Foot & Mouth. This one yacker receieved a huge cheque for after DEFRA slaughtered all his beasts.... He treated his family to a 12" pizza... I kid you not....

« **Reply #21 on:** December 12, 2011, 10:44:00 pm »

SPM basically a microsplitter with an oxidiser added. Pure clean with energiser added is basically the same.

« **Reply #22 on:** December 12, 2011, 10:50:37 pm »

Quote from: John Kelly on December 12, 2011, 10:44:00 pm

SPM basically a microsplitter with an oxidiser added. Pure clean with energiser added is basically the same.

Based on that what are the comparitive costs?
There can't be much difference kg for kg

« **Reply #23 on:** December 12, 2011, 11:01:28 pm »

Haven't worked it out Neil. Oxidisers are nothing new and have been around for years. They were frowned on a few years back as optical brighteners. Coming back into their own now basically on the back of Oxyfresh which is the biggest selling franchise in the states at the moment. They are basically an encapsulation company using an oxidiser in their solution.
There are a number of products on the market which do this including Chemspec Energiser, Craftex Energybrite and Prochem Oxybrite. These are especially effective if added as a booster to bonneting solution.

« **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:22:06 am »

Yeah I thought they were going to ban optical brighteners at one point or was I dreaming.

« **Reply #25 on:** December 13, 2011, 08:20:05 am »

Quote from: John Kelly on December 12, 2011, 10:44:00 pm

SPM basically a microsplitter with an oxidiser added. Pure clean with energiser added is basically the same.

But it's just as easy to buy SPM.....

« **Reply #26 on:** December 13, 2011, 11:26:30 am »

Don't oxidisers go off when exposed to air? A 15kg tub would last me a year would it stll be at full strength after such a long exposure?

And does'nt it take away my choose to Whether to add an oxidiser or not. If I went on a training course and told the instructor I use oxidiser on everything, even before I see the job I mix an oxidiser with my pre spray..... What would they say?

And why chose to sell it only in 15kg containers, when most pre sprays are sold in 5kg tubs, is it a bit like the companies who only sell supermarket advertising on 3 yr contracts? They know if they sold it in smaller amounts they wouldn't come back, so need to sell as much as possible

« **Reply #27 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:00:46 pm »

Quote from: Mike Halliday on December 13, 2011, 11:26:30 am

Don't oxidisers go off when exposed to air? A 15kg tub would last me a year would it stll be at full strength after such a long exposure?

And does'nt it take away my choose to Whether to add an oxidiser or not. If I went on a training course and told the instructor I use oxidiser on everything, even before I see the job I mix an oxidiser with my pre spray..... What would they say?

And why chose to sell it only in 15kg containers, when most pre sprays are sold in 5kg tubs, is it a bit like the companies who only sell supermarket advertising on 3 yr contracts? They know if they sold it in smaller amounts they wouldn't come back, so need to sell as much as possible

I've had mine since August and I'm half way through it, I'm not particularly busy or anything....

« **Reply #28 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:16:20 pm »

I!ve got a 5 kg tub of pure clean that is nearly empty and i've had it since august, I don,t use it on everything, I like to choose the most appropriate pre spray for the job so a tub of SMP would last me about a year.

It would interesting to know if oxidisers do have an effective shelf life and if they lose there effectiveness once mixed like oxidisers do. I Mix my M/S in a 5gl pump up sprayer and use it as it's needed, would SMP be ok or would it become less effective as it sat in my sprayer?

« **Reply #29 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:49:23 pm »

it would lose it's effectiveness after 24 hours Mike, however if you were to add a little oxydiser fresh the next morning it would probably re-boost it.....

So I read on the other channel yesterday..

« **Reply #30 on:** December 13, 2011, 02:03:20 pm »

I have a 5 litre concentrated mix in my in-line sprayer. (250grams per 5 ltrs, spray set at 4/1) I'm still happy with the results I get 3-5 days later...

« **Reply #31 on:** December 13, 2011, 02:16:47 pm »

You can get a 5kg tub if you ring.
15kg is a lot to lose if you have an accident.
I dropped a half full double clean on the garage
floor when I unloaded for my holidays.
Picked it up 3 week later and the bottom had
cracked where I dropped it, and heavy rain had
seeped under garage door and the tub was sat
in it. Set solid.
I cried over 2.5kg..........15kg would have been
suicide.
Also too big to lug around.

John

« **Reply #32 on:** December 13, 2011, 03:47:32 pm »

The worst thing about SPM is I've got a lot of other stuff knocking around I don't use anymore.

« **Reply #33 on:** December 13, 2011, 04:43:47 pm »

Hi Guys

Just a note of caution that an oxidiser is effectively a bleach and may lighten colours.

I would certainly not use oxidisers as routine, fine if that is what you are trying to achieve but not for coloured carpets.

Cheers

Doug

« **Reply #34 on:** December 13, 2011, 07:58:30 pm »

My wife soaked a white shirt in oxidiser in the absence of liquid bleach a couple of nights ago. What I found interesting was the following morning the bucket had a surprising amount of activity with hundreds of mini explosions taking place.

« **Reply #35 on:** December 13, 2011, 10:11:19 pm »

Quote from: robert meldrum on December 13, 2011, 07:58:30 pm

My wife soaked a white shirt in oxidiser in the absence of liquid bleach a couple of nights ago. What I found interesting was the following morning the bucket had a surprising amount of activity with hundreds of mini explosions taking place.

You need to get out more Robert.

« **Reply #36 on:** December 13, 2011, 10:35:54 pm »

Quote from: wynne jones on December 13, 2011, 03:47:32 pm

The worst thing about SPM is I've got a lot of other stuff knocking around I don't use anymore.

Do you mean that you're using SPM in place of a few other chems, or you don't want to order some because you've got half empty tubs of other miracle cures?

« **Reply #37 on:** December 13, 2011, 11:04:24 pm »

I've got a full tub of PB I was going to use until I broke the bank balance (Sarcasm) and bought a 15kg tub of SPM...

I simply haven't bothered even opening the PB since.....