What price for this house?

« **on:** April 30, 2006, 03:48:50 pm »

hi what would u price this house at

« **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2006, 03:57:22 pm »

Well the back is way to high and dangerous for a ladder and I wouldn’t put a ladder on the front glass panel, as for price I would say 60 pounds

« **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2006, 04:00:36 pm »

1 more pic and has got an other 2 windows on each side of house and is in west sussex i think i have under priced i just want some feed back thanx.

« **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2006, 04:30:35 pm »

Prob £50 WFP, wouldn't touch it with ladders.

« **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2006, 05:08:23 pm »

For a start...

1) do not leave ladders against the glass!!
2) do not use ladders on windows that height!!
3) do not use ladders on decking without safety device or someone footing!!
4) the multi panel glass feature could not be safely cleaned at all ...

TOO HIGH / WHERE WOULD YOU PITCH LADDER FROM WITH STAIRWAY / WHERE WOULD YOU POSITION HEAD OF LADDER.

5) WFP is the only way here
6) £40 with WFP

Them ladders look like DIY ladders...if they are, any insurance clain would be invalidated...seriously mate...change the way you are working...that job has DANGER written all over it for a ladder user!!

« **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2006, 05:44:57 pm »

I would definatly use WFP.
With all those windows in close proximity, you could fly through them.

If it was in my area(South- East Wales), I'd say about £40.(thats not including the balconies mind you)

« **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2006, 06:37:44 pm »

Just wondering how people would tackle the lower part of the panes of glass on the balcony if it had to be done from the ground. Inside access would be a help but I'm wondering if there's a pole attachment that is something like a 135 degree bend with some width with the brush attached upside down. Might be tricky with some systems but doable on something like an Omnipole if the correct attachment exists.

« **Reply #7 on:** April 30, 2006, 06:42:25 pm »

If you are just working of ladders I would definitely say at least £60, as some of those windows are high and look quite dodgy to get to.

On the other if WFP I would charge £40-£45 because as already said you will fly through it with the windows being so close together.

« **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2006, 06:43:42 pm »

If there is reliable access from inside to do the balcony doors then maybe £80 for the first clean and £60 thereafter. If the access is poor though and you need to cobble together some fancy stuff for the pole then maybe add £20 to that. Sometimes it's hard to say until you've tried a job.

« **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2006, 06:45:23 pm »

Quote from: The Shiner on April 30, 2006, 06:43:42 pm

If there is reliable access from inside to do the balcony doors then maybe £80 for the first clean and £60 thereafter. If the access is poor though and you need to cobble together some fancy stuff for the pole then maybe add £20 to that. Sometimes it's hard to say until you've tried a job.

Come to think of it, you will need access to the balconies as I imagine that both sides of the glass panels on the balcony will need cleaning. I wouldn't touch the job by ladder.

« **Reply #10 on:** April 30, 2006, 07:12:41 pm »

£45 - £50 WFP

Wouldn't use ladders on this.

Craig

« **Reply #11 on:** April 30, 2006, 07:13:19 pm »

Quote from: borg on April 30, 2006, 03:48:50 pm

hi what would u price this house at

What have you quoted for this house? I would say £50 with poles I think if its possible to go through house to do balconys would be preferable.

« **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2006, 07:22:41 pm »

After i've had another look, i would wfp everything, except for the balconies, and the windows on the other side of the balconies. These i would do trad. Obviously to get onto the balconies i would use a ladder(unless i could get access from inside the house).
With the balconies i would price it as £50

« **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2006, 07:56:18 pm »

I would charge £60 with WFP and the balconies i would use a ladder otherwise i could see there being a problem with access.

Paul

« **Reply #14 on:** April 30, 2006, 08:10:42 pm »

I would wfp - and on the balconies (if inaccessible from the inside) tie the ladders off with a tight bungee cord.

£60 sounds right, maybe £50 after first clean if monthly.

« **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2006, 08:17:47 pm »

wfp easy 50

brett

« **Reply #16 on:** April 30, 2006, 08:19:49 pm »

I was thinking £65 with wfp would need to use ladders to get to some windows at the back on the balcony, £65.

« **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2006, 08:24:32 pm »

wfp £50
no way with ladders.

macc

« **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2006, 08:26:57 pm »

hey macc,

If you didnt use ladders, how would you get to the windows on the other side of the balconies if they weren't in?

Richy

« **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2006, 09:14:10 pm »

I've just done a quick risk assesment using your pics for reference.

Unless you can get access from the inside and have WFP don't touch it. That place is a minefield of deathtraps.

If you can get inside access and have WFP then min £60.
Cheers

Andrew

« **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2006, 11:03:00 pm »

I would be the same as Andrew, maybe £55-60.

Whatever you would charge with ladders you should also charge for WFP.

If you lop off £££ because you are quicker with WFP all you are doing is cutting down your ppotential earnings for the job.
And you still have to negociate those balconies, which for safety's sake should only be with access from the inside....NOT climbing up and over the balconies off a ladder!""!
With balconies like this using WFP is still straight forward.
Simply pinch off the flow, leave pole exended above balcony.
Gain access, whip off brush, clip on smaller pole and clean as normal.
And just reposition the pole so you can get it off the next balcony.

Or of course just do them trad.

But, if you did have WFP don't drop the price because you do so.

It is vital that we don't start dropping prices because we are quicker with WFP.

We have also invested a lot of money in our systems, and running these systems takes up more of our down time too.
And of course running expenses have to be considered.

After spending money on an expensive system you want to earn more and not just earn the same as before.

Any of you that make the change to WFP make sure you keep your prices the same as before.

A job like this one is where you make your money, but whats the point if you slash £10 or £15 off the price $:-\$

Ian

« **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2006, 11:15:15 pm »

i dont do it my self i have help what size WFP would i need i put my 3 t ladder up on top and do 2 of the 3 and then move across and the over 1 of the ones in middle of bulding.
and steve the ladders are not diy they cost me a lot and are heavy.

« **Reply #22 on:** May 01, 2006, 06:51:03 pm »

I only use ladders but i wouldn't touch it, its a Death trap waiting to happen, maybe not the first time, but the place for ladders isn't on this one, leave it to the lads with wfp
Good Luck

PS good advice from Ian don't undercut the wfp, we will all be doing it that way one day, I know i will.

« **Reply #23 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:04:12 pm »

A sound piece of advice dont do windows were a cross appears [check the window near your ladder] and dont do a sport were an ambulance is waiting at the bottom of the hill, tells you somethinng doesnt it?

gaza

« **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:48:01 pm »

n 1 gaz never saw that lol

« **Reply #25 on:** May 01, 2006, 08:08:13 pm »

£75 - not a penny less!

All WFP.

« **Reply #26 on:** May 01, 2006, 10:10:22 pm »

. . . . its a Death trap waiting to happen, maybe not the first time, but the place for ladders isn't on this one, leave it to the lads with wfp . . . .

very good advice. just because you have an opportunity to quote and get this work dont let pride and the chance of another buck or two overcome the need for safety first!

JohnL

« **Reply #27 on:** May 01, 2006, 10:21:52 pm »

Quote from: gaza on May 01, 2006, 07:04:12 pm

A sound piece of advice dont do windows were a cross appears [check the window near your ladder] and dont do a sport were an ambulance is waiting at the bottom of the hill, tells you somethinng doesnt it?

gaza

Next you'll be telling us that you only clean windows at night Gaz. Any sprigs of garlic hanging up there too?

« **Reply #28 on:** May 02, 2006, 10:29:37 pm »

nice little easy job to clean off ladders

« **Reply #29 on:** May 02, 2006, 11:34:21 pm »

no it is not...

« **Reply #30 on:** May 02, 2006, 11:47:24 pm »

Ladders and wooden decking!

Disaster waiting to happen already seen one lad lose 6 teeth when his ladders slipped on some wet decking! and he was using a ROJAK at the time

« **Reply #31 on:** May 02, 2006, 11:58:48 pm »

£35(ish) and a great earner, you conning, ladder-fearing sods. :

Who said £75?!!!

That's 45 mins max!
Must be a seriously slow job with a pole.....

« **Reply #32 on:** May 03, 2006, 12:16:55 am »

Squeaky, we are professionals mate, proper equipment to pay for, not just a bucket & ladder & we off.

only a joke? macc.

« **Reply #33 on:** May 03, 2006, 12:49:08 am »

£35

There are 30 windows in the long strip alone!

You really do under-sell yourself squeaky $:-\$

« **Reply #34 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:32:34 am »

My oh my, What a downright ugly, characterless house! And it looks like the same next door. Probably an estate of them. Fancy paying all that money just to live in a bigger box.

« **Reply #35 on:** May 03, 2006, 03:00:07 pm »

Squeeky

would you seriously do that off a ladder ?

Before i went wfp i would have not done the 3rd floor, no way

Dave

« **Reply #36 on:** May 03, 2006, 03:41:27 pm »

i just wonder why everyone is quoting wfp clean as cheaper than off ladders.
you pitch it as more expensive because they get a better clean, plus all frames get cleaned and because we use no deterjent they stay clean for 2 months as aposed to just a month.

Yes and maybe wfp system is slower but only for the first time clean. after that its much easier and not breaking the law.
I would charge that job $65 but for the first time clean to get all initial dirt of frames 50% more.
$95, then $60 every two months.
And i've never had complaints about being to expensive.

« **Reply #37 on:** May 03, 2006, 04:22:52 pm »

Quote from: david@St-Ives on May 03, 2006, 03:00:07 pm

Squeeky

would you seriously do that off a ladder ?

Before i went wfp i would have not done the 3rd floor, no way

Dave

Lol! Might have done a while back, but probably not now. $:-\$
To be honest it's not that high, and it's on flat even ground.

I'd just quote for everything except the top ones and I'd be £25 cheaper.
So it's up to them if they want to pay someone another £25 for two windows.....

So, I'd expect to still get it.

Rog.

« **Reply #38 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:03:39 pm »

Mr Squeaky
you often refer to the wfp "bullies", but surely you should comment more accurately on topics like this, I'm surprised

, you usually make more sense.
Where would you put the ladders for the front staircase gallery windows?

I think you shouldn't bother commenting on this one, I wouldn't attempt it trad. This type of job is for wfp.

People who own a house like this don't want the job half done.
do the lot, including both sides of those balcony panels, and the blue decor panels if they are pvc.

You may expect to get it, but when it is explained properly you probably wouldn't.

£70 for a professional job done safely. (every 8 weeks if need be)

Or £35 for half the job done by a risk taker

Sorry mate, you'd be welcome to it at that price.

« **Reply #39 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:24:26 pm »

I wouldn't call missing two windows "half the job".
Backflip would do it anyway.

Wfp'ers would have to miss a whole lot more by not being able to get up onto the balconies, and as you put it "people like that" wouldn't want to let you in through the house.

They'd probably also be fussy, so that's a point for the squeegee too.
I'd happily charge less, as I don't need to up my price to justify equipment.

To say "leave it to wfp" is just another "we're better than you" dig.
How were they done before may I ask?

?

« **Reply #40 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:36:05 pm »

Hi Squeaky - how's life?

Is it true you're going to call yourself "20th Century window cleaning"?

As in pricing and methods..........

« **Reply #41 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:39:09 pm »

I was thinking of getting some wooden ladders and a bike, and using a chamois in a dirty bucket.

How about 19th Century Window Cleaning?

« **Reply #42 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:40:13 pm »

As in pricing and methods..........

Quote

I like that Malc!

« **Reply #43 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:46:14 pm »

Still, at least I don't have a fetish for fat Brazilian footballers.....

« **Reply #44 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:48:20 pm »

That's the spirit Squeaks! and why not take a six year old with you to climb up inside and clean the chimneys?

I must write 50 times......

Do not prod the squeakmeister
Do not prod the squeakmeister
Do not prod the squeakmeister
Do not etc etc etc

« **Reply #45 on:** May 03, 2006, 06:00:57 pm »

Quote from: Squeaky Clean. on May 03, 2006, 05:24:26 pm

To say "leave it to wfp" is just another "we're better than you" dig.

you've just got a complex. "Horses for courses", I use trad methods whenever the job calls for it, it's not a dig.
A wise man can admit his limitations and accept the advice of others as help, not criticism.

Do you know the story of The King's New Clothes?

« **Reply #46 on:** May 03, 2006, 06:08:20 pm »

Quote from: Malc(G)old on May 03, 2006, 05:48:20 pm

That's the spirit Squeaks! and why not take a six year old with you to climb up inside and clean the chimneys?

She's busy down't mine.

Pj, fair enough, I just said I could reach more windows.
I just can't be arsed with arguing.
Strange considering my orange hair.....

Since when did this descend into chat?
Oops, my fault.

« **Reply #47 on:** May 03, 2006, 07:34:41 pm »

hey squeeky r there any other other proffesional window cleaners on this site or do they just dance round their poles on mayday

« **Reply #48 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:11:39 pm »

is a labourer who mixes cement with a cement mixer UN-professional..? or a flagger who cuts flags with an angle grinder..?
They could both do it the old and hard way but they have decided to move on in the never ending pursuit of doing the same thing quicker and easier...it`s a natural trait in all humans.

« **Reply #49 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:20:04 pm »

They also have electric screwdrivers and drills these days

« **Reply #50 on:** May 04, 2006, 12:04:20 am »

. . whats electric?

JohnL