[Xtremely Clean]

Hi everyone, I am just starting up and im confused about which system to go for, a hwe or a system like dry fusion, I want to clean both domestic and commercial, please could you give me any pro's and con's for both systems.

Thanks

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

46 posts and you havnt got any gear yet ?

[Xtremely Clean]

yes but that will be 45 posts on window cleaning as that's the business I have atm but want to start carpet cleaning as im sick of the weather dictating whether I go to work or not 

Which machine do you use  Susan?

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

are ok well if its a can of worms you want you have asked the question

like most fourms people have there own ways and own gear so its going to be mostly on you and what you want to do ect ect

how much money do you want to spend or have you got that is what i need to know ponitless anyone talking about gear you cant afford


do you want to buy new gear or secondhand again you get more for your buck secondhand , are you looking to do a good job i.e. make it part of your income or will it be an add on to the windows

i an running truckmounts so maybe i little to big to start with however saying that if you have the cash and can afford for it to not earn right away then go t.m. forget porty there hard work

[Xtremely Clean]

I will be running it alongside an oven cleaning business as well, I've had enough of windows now , I like to do the best job I can I couldn't take money off a customer if I didn't do a good job  , I've got up to 5k to spend but wouldn't have enough space for a tm. 

[Kinver_Clean]

I I had 5G to spend I would be looking at a Jaguar or Airflex.
Depends on whether you want it to look pretty or do the business.
I know which I would have but then I'm an ugly bu88er.

[Billy Russell]

To be fair, i've seen alot of this, where everybody says the jag is better and then the others jump on and say the storm is better blah blah blah, but has anybody tried them side by side, how much of a difference is there? they both have there pro's and con's, but would be nice to hear views from people that have used both in real situations, Don't really bother me to be honest, Just playing devils advocate i suppose

[derek west]

i would say it doesn't matter. airflex or jaguar. neither will out do each other, you will get exactly the same excellent results from either machine. and here endeth the airflex jaguar debate.

[Richard Basey-Fisher]

they both suck they both squirt they are both plastic with 2 big vacs    both from good companies with good customer service but they are still not a tm       ( i will get my coat )

[Xtremely Clean]

Which is best out of hwe and a system like dry fusion?

[markpowell]

HWE 100,000 %

[Richard Basey-Fisher]

my advice would get a hwe machine then get a rotary which you can then use for lm cleaning anf even pre spray agitation a rotary is prob one of the most versatile pieces of kit you can own but cannot replace hwe  imo

[Richard Basey-Fisher]

each system can achieve good results in situations where it could be the best choice of method . 

what i was trying to suggest is that why not have both  because at the end of the day you can pick up a decent rotary for peanuts with the right brush and pads it can double up as a scrubber for hard floors and even agitate pre spray in.

[Xtremely Clean]

Cheers for your replies, im still a bit confused as to why hwe is better but I gather that's what you all believe, I was looking at dry fusion as I think I would stand out from the crowd but now im not so sure lol.

[Xtremely Clean]

Cheers Richard, makes sense to have both, do you know where I could get a decent rotary?

Thanks

[*Hector*]

As someone who only LM cleans, IMO dry fusion is a lot of money for the same sort of system... A bog standard rotary some decent pads and the right chems you can do just as good a job with LM as you can with dry fusion.

I got my first rotary for £80 of flea bay.

[derek west]

my wife cleans her hair once a fortnight, (dirty girl ) she uses the shower. occassionally when she hasn't got time she uses this dry spray, its all right, makes her hair look okay but doesn't last, so to sum up. using water cleans things, everything else is just maintenance.

and for those that can't see my point.

if a carpet is dirty it needs cleaning with hot water extraction, if its been cleaned you can then maintain it for as long as you dare wth dry fusion, or if you can see through the hype, a rotary bonnet system. some may disagree and i'm okay with that. but thats my take on your question.

[Xtremely Clean]

As someone who only LM cleans, IMO dry fusion is a lot of money for the same sort of system... A bog standard rotary some decent pads and the right chems you can do just as good a job with LM as you can with dry fusion.

I got my first rotary for £80 of flea bay.

Cheers hector 

[Xtremely Clean]

my wife cleans her hair once a fortnight, (dirty girl ) she uses the shower. occassionally when she hasn't got time she uses this dry spray, its all right, makes her hair look okay but doesn't last, so to sum up. using water cleans things, everything else is just maintenance.

and for those that can't see my point.

if a carpet is dirty it needs cleaning with hot water extraction, if its been cleaned you can then maintain it for as long as you dare wth dry fusion, or if you can see through the hype, a rotary bonnet system. some may disagree and i'm okay with that. but thats my take on your question.

Cheers Derek makes sense

[Kinver_Clean]

When your shirt is dirty, do you spray some stuff on it and give it a wipe, or do you wash it and then give it a good rinse???

[*Hector*]

come on Trev.... that is the oldest analogy in the industry and is totally irrelevant now..... 

[Jamie Pearson]

When your shirt is dirty, do you spray some stuff on it and give it a wipe, or do you wash it and then give it a good rinse???

I throw it away and buy another one. After all I am a scientologist and don't believe it he use of detergents.

[Len Gribble]

Clarkey

These ant a bad machines (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mytee-Speedster-Carpet-Cleaning-Machine-2-x-New-Vacuums-New-2-jet-Wand-/140809309833?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20c8e38e89) or (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Carpet-Cleaning-Machine-Airflex-Pro-/271037276909?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item3f1b14a2ed)

For LM (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cleanfix-Dual-Speed-Floor-polishing-scrubber-carpet-cleaning-machine-/280941130415?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item41696572af)
It’s worth £150 to £200 max

Nothing will replace hwe apart from logistics and costs of doing the job


Think Hector over paid for his , mine cost £20quid plus £5quid for some hammerite following weekend made £3k

Think you will be quid’s in for some type of training and marketing

[john martin]

  above speedster not bad  , but  ...

  highest heater iv seen on a speedster is 2000w ..

  For not much more u could get a new Altec elite 100 with 3000w  , independent stacks , warranty .

  As for the Jag  , aren't the owners getting cranky with no heater , crappy body and a weedy 9 HG   

 What about the  Enforcer with cool design , choice of two onboard heaters and 17.5 HG     
   

 
 

[neil 47]

what cleans carpets . not a hwe machine, or a rotary the most important thing is the solution , next the vacuum
cleaner , then the agitation. rotary all day long for me , haven't used the hwe machine for months(on full jobs , but have on very greasy areas on odd occasions)  the customers are happy we get repeats recommendations .
 
its you lot that have the problem we offer both, 99% go for lm just did a full college 3 of us in 3 days never in this world could we have done that with hwe and it looks great

did a reception area 4 months ago stains all over went back last week still looks good , its all in your own tiny little minds the bigger your investment in hwe machines the more you deny it , it took me years but have seen the light thanks to roger , keep on sucking lads .

Just bought another rotary this week


Neil

[Richard Cole]

what cleans carpets . not a hwe machine, or a rotary the most important thing is the solution , next the vacuum
cleaner , then the agitation. rotary all day long for me , haven't used the hwe machine for months(on full jobs , but have on very greasy areas on odd occasions)  the customers are happy we get repeats recommendations .
 
its you lot that have the problem we offer both, 99% go for lm just did a full college 3 of us in 3 days never in this world could we have done that with hwe and it looks great

did a reception area 4 months ago stains all over went back last week still looks good , its all in your own tiny little minds the bigger your investment in hwe machines the more you deny it , it took me years but have seen the light thanks to roger , keep on sucking lads .

Just bought another rotary this week


Neil

What rotary do you use Neil?

[Xtremely Clean]

what cleans carpets . not a hwe machine, or a rotary the most important thing is the solution , next the vacuum
cleaner , then the agitation. rotary all day long for me , haven't used the hwe machine for months(on full jobs , but have on very greasy areas on odd occasions)  the customers are happy we get repeats recommendations .
 
its you lot that have the problem we offer both, 99% go for lm just did a full college 3 of us in 3 days never in this world could we have done that with hwe and it looks great

did a reception area 4 months ago stains all over went back last week still looks good , its all in your own tiny little minds the bigger your investment in hwe machines the more you deny it , it took me years but have seen the light thanks to roger , keep on sucking lads .

Just bought another rotary this week


Neil

Cheers Neil, do you think the dry fusion is over rated at nearly 4k, do you have a hot rotary or a normal one, cheers.

[*Hector*]

I would say dry fusion is well over-rated.... You can do just as good a job with ordinary LM... If you want heat then pour a small amount of boiling water from the kettle on the pad just prior to padding.

[neil 47]

We have 2 taski rangers , havnt used dry fusion but why pay thousands when u can get a good rotary for under £400

there is solutions that stain block without heat , pour hot water on your pad if needed.

the SOULION,CHEMICAL does the work hwe only rinse's thats it I have used hwe side by side on lots of jobs with only a 10% visible difference in appearance , its not worth the hassle, or money.

the benefits out weigh the !0%  its the future

[creighton foyle]

i'm with neil on this one and even though i use a dry fusion machine and find it very good i also use a host with equally good results.
I did have an airflex which i bought new and it was an excellent machine but as i only used it four times in 18 months i sold it. if you are thinking of a hwe machine look at the suppliers reputation as well as the machine , matt at cleansmart has got a good name as has rob at altec, as for the other machine that looks like a plastic box on pram wheels you either love it or hate it.

when i did the ncca training course they reckon 80% of the dry soil comes out of the carpet when you vac so the other 20% is mostly the visible dirt you can see on the carpet surface so as i usually manage to get rid of this through bonneting or using the host the customer is left satisfied that they have a clean carpet.

do i think bonneting cleans better than hwe ? definately not

do i care ? nope

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

see a can of worms 

 

[Xtremely Clean]

see a can of worms 

 

lol

[*Hector*]

[Len Gribble]

clarkey

We use LM (numatic not twin speed) on all of our void work (you wana see the state of them) not one complaint and they like to complain . A good vacuum is needed we use dart.

As for DF ok if your contract buys it  (do have concerns re heater with the rubber belt ok with domestics/small commercial short bursts. On the plus side think they pass you work) normal rotary is good enough, post bonnets also help drying (a bit more friction) and get more dirt out.

Don’t forget the OP machines (don’t see them on ebay)

[Xtremely Clean]

Thanks len

[Phillip Mold]

Why can't we all adopt the same policy to these questions................


Please search previous posts?

[Xtremely Clean]

Why can't we all adopt the same policy to these questions................


Please search previous posts?

Why?

[richie]

Both LM and HWE have a place in carpet cleaning.  I have had awesome results with both.  LM will clean carpets however it has limitations.  Theres no way to deep clean using LM.  By saying that i am not knocking it just purely it has limitations.  HWE on the other hand is perfect for 97% of jobs from carpets that already look clean down to pubs and clubs that are covered in black top.

[Kinver_Clean]

I have done acres LM. While the rinse water gets pretty mucky and needs frequent changing it is never the same as the non splashing treacle like stuff got out of commercial carpets using CWE ( I don't use hot water )
Using LM the carpet looks clean and is on the surface but deep down......

[*Hector*]

Rinse water Trev?? 

such an outdated way to LM clean.... 

Using LM the carpet looks clean and is on the surface

What is the customer going to pay you for??

It is no good saying "sorry mrs custard, I know your carpet does not look as clean as Hector did it, but it is clean all the way down....."

She will say bring back Hector at least the carpet looked as though it had been cleaned..   

and are you saying that your mate Nicks chems will not clean all the way down??   

[Kinver_Clean]

I never use it on domestics, only short loop pile tiles.
A pad will not get the crud from the bottom of the loop no matter how long you pad it or what spray you use.
I use microfibre pads that rinse while the others are being used- can do a job with 2 pads but I use 4.
Only one wash load when I get home.
The worst job was the rail engineers at New Street Station in Brum- thick oily trackside trodden in yuk.
And yes Nick's stuff does do the business.