Hilton

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Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« on: May 13, 2011, 11:22:59 am »
Has anyone come across this new beast of a Carpet Cleaning machine yet.

Said to be the most powerful ever built.

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 12:30:54 pm »
Looks good

But how much in UK

Is that drop in Heater any good

Thought they had a Methane in line system

andi wilson

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 12:58:26 pm »
Anyone got a link?


C A Payne

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 04:52:21 pm »
its a scorpion painted grey :-\

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 05:25:42 pm »
Is Ed selling them direct  What is shipping cost?

Only has two motors ?

Does Ed stand by nearly 90% water recovery




Mike Halliday

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 06:06:32 pm »
did they get the name right? looking at it 'Cross American lada 1.2' would be more appropriate :D :D

Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

AJB

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 08:53:31 pm »
Funny how for years Scorpions have been sold on the understanding that water lift
is un-important, only CFMs matter.
Now there's a machine with decent water lift it now suddenly counts.

And what are these (Twin Ultra-Tech Wind Tunnel Vac Motors ). Surely they must
be in series to claim so much water lift. Thats over 19" Hg, blows most truck mounts
on suction.
www.ajbcarpetcleaning.co.uk
At the end of the day a Satisfied Customer is all that counts, They'll come back and so will their friends!!!

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2011, 08:57:39 pm »
Nice to see another new piece of kit on the Market.

Interested to find out what the UK spec will be.

clinton

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2011, 09:47:15 pm »
Think it might be modified for the uk market.

prob more on the supliers forum that nick runs.

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2011, 09:55:46 pm »
Looks like it pulls healthy amps at 120v

john martin

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2011, 10:05:21 pm »
could be wrong but those figures are perhaps accurate for either parallel or series ... but not both that high in the one configuration   

Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2011, 11:05:28 pm »
I don't understand the sublties of machines.

I thought this thread was about a big cat that wasn't in a very good mood. ;)

With apologies I'm off to bed.

Rog
Diplomacy: the art of letting other people have your way

John Milnes

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2011, 11:07:05 pm »
Cross American Jaguar?

Jaguar implies something really special, omnipitant or above the rest.

Even the vac motors have been elevateted to the realm of something wonderous and that us mere mortals should be in awe of.

A bit like owning Eurofighter Typhoon but shaped like a plastic box. ;D

My goodness, you have to have a larf...it's just another carpet cleaning machine ::)

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2011, 12:28:20 am »
Got confused

Looks like World Of Clean has opened a store in USA hence price in dollars

brencarpetman

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2011, 10:55:44 am »
Been looking at the Shazaam: Goliath Quad Vac - 4/2Vacs - 500 psi recently.
Nice machine but think the Jag looks little bit better spec wise, also I prefer the name 8) what i find interesting is that the jag says it has 298 cfm and the Shazaam Goliath says 200 cfm, the jag says 263 water lift whereas the Shazaam Goliath 170 water lift, yet the Shazaam Goliath claims this machine offers the ability to clean 200 ft from the machine with full productivity whereas the jag with apparent better spec suction wise, says you can clean at 100',....and beyond (150') even without our exclusive Power Booster System capable of cleaning even further with ease. Someones telling porkies!!
Must admit though I do like both machines but there is a big difference in price probably cos one is 120 volts whereas the other is 220-240 volts.
Dont quite know if the jag is autofill though, because I think what they are saying with the Goliath is that because you have constant feed of pressure to the pump maintains more pressure, never knew that.

Bren
Go on da Leeds

Doug Holloway

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2011, 12:20:20 pm »
Hi Guys

I think this is a good example of BS baffling science.

Anyone who uses portables and TM's knows the TM is far more powerful because they see it with their own eyes.

The idea that you can call a portable in a van a TM is just marketing bull.

Cheers

Doug

Fintan_Coll

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2011, 08:45:25 pm »
The auto feed defoamer system is something I never saw before Bren, brilliant idea. However ,I wonder what kind of after sales back up you would get over here with those machines.

brencarpetman

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2011, 10:04:29 am »
Hi Fintan, that is a good idea alright, nice machine overall, but I'd say you would have to forget about backup, cost a fortune to ship anything from here that's heavier than a stamp!!
I think you would just have to take a punt on it and hope there built as well as they say they are.

Bren.
Go on da Leeds

Fintan_Coll

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2011, 10:21:50 am »
Yeah, I guess so.

Simon Gerrard

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2011, 10:35:51 am »
How many power csables are going to be required to run the thing?

Simon

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2011, 10:38:55 am »
It appears it is on sale in UK 8 sold


So is this better than the 3 Vac Scorpian

clinton

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2011, 01:54:41 pm »
A good few have been sold and ordered too i hear.


Steve Chapman

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2011, 04:34:22 pm »
Is it just me or is this possibly the worst looking machine ever ?

Its just a grey box with a handle on top, they obviously spent all the money on performance and none on design  :-\

Steve

derek west

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2011, 04:54:27 pm »
does it double as a portable home brewing kit ;D

JandS

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2011, 05:52:01 pm »
Another porty with no heater, why?

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Billy Russell

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2011, 05:59:20 pm »
I was hoping it would double up as a ironing board!!!!!!!!!  ;D

derek west

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2011, 06:08:19 pm »
I was hoping it would double up as a ironing board!!!!!!!!!  ;D

i think they do an attachment billy. ;D

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2011, 06:18:00 pm »
Another porty with no heater, why?

John

because you don't need heat to rinse out m/s or Mpower I believe.

Colin Day

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2011, 06:20:07 pm »
Another porty with no heater, why?

John

because you don't need heat to rinse out m/s or Mpower I believe.

That is true... Although I do use heat as it is available on my machine, even though I use Mpower....

Fintan_Coll

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2011, 06:39:30 pm »
Mine should arrive in the next day or two. Don't know what it will be like for home brewing or ironing as I am only buying it to clean carpets and upholstery.

derek west

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2011, 06:51:34 pm »
Mine should arrive in the next day or two. Don't know what it will be like for home brewing or ironing as I am only buying it to clean carpets and upholstery.
its called diversification to maximise potential on ones assets fintan, everybodies doing it, billy provides an ironing service with every carpet clean and i provide the interval refreshments.

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2011, 07:21:16 pm »
Horide looking thing. Just get an AirFlex and be done with it.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2011, 07:31:00 pm »
Derek also provides entertainment with pole dancing on the banister rail and joke telling in the comedy club under the stairs.

Shaun

Mike Halliday

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2011, 07:37:56 pm »
i'm sure performance wise this machine is one of the best.

but they do them selves no favours with the marketing hype,

Without a doubt, this is: "The Rolls-Royce of the Industry".

The most advanced new technology system we have ever developed and available in the market by anyone's standard

why make such wild claims ::) ::)

why is this better than a scorpion?
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

jasonl

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2011, 07:41:19 pm »
Or on the American site ................All new    what? colour?

I will still get one though
I clean carpets
I dry Buildings

Billy Russell

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2011, 09:17:07 pm »
Derek also provides entertainment with pole dancing on the banister rail and joke telling in the comedy club under the stairs.

Shaun


Ha Ha Ha!!!!   ;D ;D  Thats so true!

james roffey

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2011, 10:49:56 pm »
Hi Guys

I think this is a good example of BS baffling science.

Anyone who uses portables and TM's knows the TM is far more powerful because they see it with their own eyes.

The idea that you can call a portable in a van a TM is just marketing bull.

Cheers

Doug


I think my portable is as good as any truckmount, until i get myself a truckmount that is  ;D

james roffey

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2011, 10:53:54 pm »
Horide looking thing. Just get an AirFlex and be done with it.

Nice if you can have a powerful machine and it looks the business too, i understand that the power etc is the most important thing but why not have both  ???

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2011, 12:34:17 am »
That what I mean MIke this is a typical Solutions Launch

At present this Machine is less than the Scorpian so why buy a Scorpiam

Is it really the next level

I have watched Eds U Tube stuff going on about my what a lot of pipe

Oh what a luck of suck as the vac stays tight on the ceiling  tell me what machine would not

Why in the States do they use the propane in line heater and not here

Ed 10 years ago I defended you against Major what not

Come on Ed tell us why this is a good if not excellent machine

I do not want bull Nicks instance on this or that John Boltons on that

Just plain straight facts Ed

Nick please send 10 % of all sales revenue to Forum Admin ;D ;D ;D


Doug Holloway

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2011, 07:50:36 am »
Hi Guys

The reason it doesn't have a heater could be that there is not enough power left to allow one to be used or they may prefer machiners without heaters.

The MPower thing is a bit of red herring, it came after the machine with no heater.

As I said before all portables are a compromise, the Alltec triple vac can only be used as triple vac if the heater is off.

The reasons TM's are better is that you have have high heat, high water pressure and high vacuum all at the same time.

You can still get excellent results with portables although I would never buy one without heat.

Cheers

Doug


Simon@arenaclean

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2011, 10:29:49 pm »
The future for portables is reducing the wattage of motors without comprimisng performance... Our machines are running 1500 watt motors, reduce that wattage signifcantly and you're on your  way

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2011, 10:46:05 pm »
I guess the next machine will have 3 big vac motors of the Jag but then you are getting into a serious electric bill ;D

Shaun


clinton

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2011, 09:01:15 am »
We had the the 4 vac from alltec about ten years ago and that worked on the lower wattage too..

Didnt take off mind ;D

Simon@arenaclean

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2011, 09:17:05 pm »
 ;D
The 4 vac Alltec was an absolute monster, far too big and far too heavy. That's why at present we need to compromise. I believe Shaun is getting close, 3 low wattage high performance vacs allowing 3 vacs & pump, heat exchanger on the other cable. The problem is still heat loss over a long solution hose run though assuming you're upto 120C. Once we get here it will getting on for well over £3500 inc, that's getting on for 2nd hand TM money which would be the way I would go.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2011, 09:49:18 pm »
If you have a Heat X you can place it anywhere in the pipe line so nearer to the property if you wish, as for a 2nd hand TM for £3500 you usually have to spend and keep spending on them at that market price.

I think the next generation may go into using vac blowers like the Banes but it would need serious modifications Dave Ingram was making one for himself with a slow start and increasing the revs of the blower to add more vac and installing a 400psi pump.

Shaun

Simon@arenaclean

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2011, 12:03:02 am »
It follows that a good inline heater nearer the wand would be more efficent, I was assuming the heat would be on board (like the Ninja) so there would be only 2 cables on the machine. I know little of blowers but I have met Dave, be interesting to know how he is progressing, Ditto TM's. I was just reflecting on prices and how redundant spending a higher than average sum on a portable when what we are trying to do is create a 'portable TM' allowing for lower perfomance between a TM & portable, when a TM fits the bill perfectly. My naivety aside on 2nd hand TM prices.

I only purchased the Airflex Turbo because a TM was not practicle for my commercial customers, noise and access the biggest problems. Moving forward a TM as I get older becomes more appealing, a Prowler will do.

clinton

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2011, 08:07:33 am »
I remember the millenium was based on the old elite(bob slay) a long and heavy machine,more like the first generation of portable van mounted set up.. ;D

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2011, 06:12:37 pm »
If a single plug porti was to be made with the power of a TM and the easy of dismounting from the van I would get one even if it were £6k.

Shaun

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2011, 06:34:05 pm »
How far off is a porty to a TM preformance wise??

If the porty has 600psi pump, three vacs and an inline heater (90 degrees) and the TM being a lower end of the market one.

And be honest! lol

clinton

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2011, 09:28:38 pm »
Shaun You remember that machine that brian had then the millenium dont you  :)

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2011, 10:04:00 pm »
If you are a carpet Cleaner why do you need a 800psi pump

Why do you need a truck mount to clean a suite

Apart from having water ready to go same applies to average lounge carpets

If its for hard floors would not a second hand industrial pressure washer be better

Joe H

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2011, 07:45:33 am »
If you are a carpet Cleaner why do you need a 800psi pump
Why do you need a truck mount to clean a suite
Apart from having water ready to go same applies to average lounge carpets
If its for hard floors would not a second hand industrial pressure washer be better

What size van do you have Ian?
have you got room for a second hand industrial pressure washer?
Advantages in having one unit that will do the jobs you want it to do ie carpets and hard floors

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2011, 12:52:48 am »
I have a trailer

Joe H

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2011, 07:52:17 am »

Joe H

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2011, 08:07:54 am »
How far off is a porty to a TM preformance wise??

If the porty has 600psi pump, three vacs and an inline heater (90 degrees) and the TM being a lower end of the market one.

And be honest! lol

In my experience, and I have/had both a 3 vac Scorpion and a 15hp Prowler (and at the same time), the Prowler wins, and so it should as it is twice the price of the Scorpion.
Having said that, the performance of the Scorpion is pretty amazing and I am more then satisfied it is capable of doing exceptional clean in the hands of a good operator.

and I know the heat/no heat discussion will continue to go on re portables, but it is not good for high heat to go through the pump on a portable. On the Prowler, the heat exchanger was AFTER the pump for the same reason.
So its logic (and sensible design), IMO to put the heat maker (anything in excess of say 60degree) after the pump on a portable.
The inline heaters are not efficient at producing high heat at 300psi and above, in a short time and sustaining it. Having an inline heater within say 25' of the wand is probably the best compromise but even so wont match the high heat of a TM.
If you using detergents you need the heat much more then if you using microsplitters or colloidals (MPower/Nemesis), thats my opinion anyway.
What cleaning fluids each of us use, and whether we prefer heat or not (or warm) is up to individuals.

Simon@arenaclean

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2011, 10:02:20 am »
Most manufacture's will put any internal heat system after the pump, Ninja, perfect heat etc. Standard 3KW aside that heat the soulution tank. As I said a portable is a compromise but a powerful tripple vac, good pump and in-line heat nearer the wand is the best we can do at the moments. Very low watt vacs on one cable with heat on the other would work but there is the heat loss on long hose runs. If working with cold water, and you want heat, getting the water temp up before it hits an in-line heater even at 30C would help a lot. I still find regardless of what I use even MS or Nemisis hot water rinsing is preferable to cold, maybe it's all in my mind and it makes no difference, but i'm not convinced;D

Get one of those hot pressure washers we were discussing on the other tread :)

Doug Holloway

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2011, 10:41:07 am »
Hi Guys

There are good reasons for not putting hot water through pumps as has been stated but there is a very good reason for using hot water, it works better!

The molecules have more energy and therefore move faster, a lot of grease is melted by hotter water, surafce tension is reduced etc etc etc

I like portables with heat as they woerk better, others may prefer in line but as has been stated it is very difficult to actually increase the temperature by much if highish flow rates are required.

Cheers

Doug

Matt Lindus

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2011, 01:27:37 pm »
Oh my, what a crock of something. Imagine what shade of red you would go If a friend or family member saw you making a living with this converted bin mans cart.

Its tupperware, but not as we know it. Its a god awfull machine.


Matt

john martin

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2011, 01:28:52 pm »
Have they arrived yet ? has anyone tested them or compared to the scorpion .... cant see it being more powerfull , although it is cheaper . The lower ampage draw is more of an issue in the states than with us .... did they even have a scorpion spec ?  As far as i know the original recoil was a three vac two stack with one vac in series .... the recoil xps was three parellel but lower watt two stage for third vac . Scorpion 3-3 in parellel ....
As someone said three of the 6.6 in parellel might be a nice machine ....would wonder how much a 6.6 vac unit will cost to buy/replace  , if its 7.2 money that would put me off ....

A electric blower based portable .... i can barely lift some of those blowers , so blower, pump ,motor would be a two man job to haul around ....although a good reliable machine i'd say .  From my experience three three stages parellel had more airflow than an electric blower machine i tried .... and the cost to make significantly less .

john martin

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2011, 02:19:11 pm »
Im sure its discussed on the cleantalk forum ....  but i dont meet their registration requirments or something .....    what are they hiding in there  LOL

Joe H

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2011, 03:17:36 pm »
Im sure its discussed on the cleantalk forum ....  but i dont meet their registration requirments or something .....    what are they hiding in there  LOL

why "dont meet their registration requirments or something "  ?????

I never had a problem registering, but there again I always used my real name and a "proper" email address ie not gmail or hotmail type addresses.

eve on here you havnt disclosed all the info you could and your web site does'nt show up either (not on my computer anyway).


john martin

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2011, 04:20:21 pm »
Its cool Joe ...
I'd say its just something like the Dublin phone code number not recognised or something , not deliberate id say ... I just never came accross a forum with such a registeration processs before or had such issues ... I dont see how they could tell a real name from a fake ... and not sure what a ' proper ' e-mail address is ...   
R.E this forum ... i will update my details later

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2011, 04:44:03 pm »
Why do they not sell the propane Heat Exchanger in Uk

Is it no good

I still do not know if
its better or not better than a Scorpian

What Vac does it use how much is replacement

Same question regarding pump

Fintan_Coll

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2011, 05:37:35 pm »
Don't see how the Dublin phone code ( 01) could make any difference Johnny. Makes no difference to the Donegal (074) code. Like Joe I keep up with the happenings on both forums.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2011, 06:23:54 pm »
Mike H has a beautiful burner bought from Dual Pumps (I think) and I'm sure it cost a lot less but if you look on ebay there are a few burners on there.

Solutions forum is filtered by John Bolton you could always email them.

Shaun

clinton

Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2011, 08:13:05 pm »
Wonder if any uk c cleaners are using burners with portables..

robert meldrum

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2011, 09:14:28 pm »

Electric truckmount with power and smart engineering which are also portable.

SAVAGEtruckmounts@yahoo.com


john martin

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2011, 09:37:59 pm »
I'd say that is just twin 7.2 vacs  as is this one ...
http://www.nordic1.com/


Hello Donegal  ;D

robert meldrum

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Re: Cross American Jaguar 6.6
« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2011, 09:48:31 pm »
They've both been around for some time ...........I understand Savage uses a more powerful vacuum commissioned from Ametech.