[Steven Butler]

Your a proper b e l l end arent u !!!!
Said before..nowt good to say shhhhh
 

[Robin Ray]

What about the prochem natural range if they detergents from natural sources are they similar too?

[CleanerCarpets]

best go run and tell Nick again eh   

[creighton foyle]

Geoff,
Is this a forum?....yep....
Why have i posted this.....??
Cus i can!

Cus chalky,s paying you ? ( you asked the question ! )

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Steven, Colloidal micelles technology is one of this centuries most promising advances in environmental science, micelles based cleaning solutions are safe to use on any surface that's washable with water, a micelle is 1/80,000th times finer than a strand of human hair so they clean at the molecular level making this technology very safe and effective, when cleaning carpets,upholstery,leather, there is no need to use an acid rinse afterwards unlike many high alkaline based chemicals where the manufacturers recommend you need to use an acid rinse. if you google colloidal micelles technology you will find plenty of useful information. Regards Tadgh

[Mike Halliday]

I have a theory about micelles cleaners....

I think the reason they are so hit & miss with some people is because the low dilution rates make them very susceptible to be effected by water contaminants.

imagine if you had a bottle of cordial that was super strong and you needed a very little amount to make a drink if you used a dirty glass or water that was not clean it would effect the taste.

 I think it's the same with micelles, because you are using such a very small amount it can be adversely effective but hard water or container contaminants..... Rather than attacking the dirt the chemical attacks the dissolved solid in the water or the chemical left if the spray bottle.

Micelles don't know the difference betreen the carpet or the solution it works as it's sat in the sprayer.

[Richard Cole]

It just seems to good to be true it clears odours and dilutes to 120/1 , its non toxic,no residue no enzymes .

I agree Neil. I could not get on with it at all until I tried it at the full dilution. As soon as I used it at 1: 120 instead of about 1: 80, the results were far better.

Have you got the right way round Garry? surely 1:80 would be stronger than 1: 120, say in a typical 6lt sprayer at 1:80 it would be 75ml and at 1: 120 it would be 50ml

[Simon Gerrard]

M Power is unique in that it is the worst pre-spray I have ever used, especially after all the hype there was around it.
SPM on the other hand is superb across a wide range of soils, I find.

Simon

[*Hector*]

It just seems to good to be true it clears odours and dilutes to 120/1 , its non toxic,no residue no enzymes .

I agree Neil. I could not get on with it at all until I tried it at the full dilution. As soon as I used it at 1: 120 instead of about 1: 80, the results were far better.

Have you got the right way round Garry? surely 1:80 would be stronger than 1: 120, say in a typical 6lt sprayer at 1:80 it would be 75ml and at 1: 120 it would be 50ml

Yes Richard, Gary has got it right...

Logic says that the stronger the mix the better it will work...

However.....

With colloidals they need the water suspension to have room to vibrate and do the job, therefore the less water they have (stronger mix) the less room to move and do the work..

This is where a lot of people go wrong when they try Mpower or Bio Clean..
Stick to the instructions and it does work..... very well..... 

[david_green]

Interesting post Mike.
Do you think colloids would work better with pure water?

[stuart_clark]

I once used m power in a pub on blacktop ! It worked quite well in removing it, but I mixed it quite hot and at a ratio of about 60 to 1 and through the brush of my Chemstractor


Stuart

[garry22]

Have you got the right way round Garry? surely 1:80 would be stronger than 1: 120, say in a typical 6lt sprayer at 1:80 it would be 75ml and at 1: 120 it would be 50ml Smiley

Stronger but lESS effective (unless use on carpets that are already damp). As Hector said, the active ingredients need more room to move.

Imagine if you have twenty people in a small room and you tell them to run into each other at speed. They will have restricted movement. If you put the same amount into a gymnasium, they can race around at speed, really crashing into things. That's effectively, how the colloids work. using M-Power at 120 made a huge difference to me.

Simon, I take your point but it's horses for courses. I would imagine that for the work you do then SPM or even Shockwave would be a more appropriate Solutions product.

[tim handley]

suprised to hear mpower did a job on black top to be honest???  good on certain jobs, i use it a fair bit, but mingers need a bit more oomph in my (limited) experience......
one thing ive found m power good for is applying on certain organic stains which ive struggled with and leaving it do do the job. example  trying to clean a heavily urine stained mattress, i did my best, it looked much much better but still had some staining visible which i just couldnt shift. before leaving i misted m power all over it and left, taking five rugs with me to clean at home. three days later, returning the rugs, i went to have a look see at the mattress to make sure it had dried ok, and was suprised to see all remnants of the soiling were totally gone, it was spot on!!!!    learnt something that day................  quite intrested in the nemesis as you can buy it in 1l rather than stumping up for a 5l tub which aint cheap!!!, and at 1 to 120 dilution, a litre will do a fair few jobs...............

[Mike Halliday]

Interesting post Mike.
Do you think colloids would work better with pure water?

A clue to that answer would be what do the suppliers dilute the concentrate with. They will buy it as a super concentrate then dilute it to the solution we buy. If they dilute it with pure water then maybe if we did the same we might get a longer lasting solution or one that works better.

Another analogy of how micelles work and why weaker dilutions might be better.....

Imagine you wanted serving at a busy bar if you were alone you would push your way to the bar but if there was 100 of you it would be harder to get to the bar as you would be competing agrainst everyone else,  the same with micelles, they need to reach the dirt, having more of them just gets in each others way ...

[Paul Moss]

NAND in this bar Mike would micelles order larger or bitter 

[benny d]

M Power is unique in that it is the worst pre-spray I have ever used, especially after all the hype there was around it.
SPM on the other hand is superb across a wide range of soils, I find.

I totally agree with Simon. I have used SPM for 2 years and find it is a great pre-spray. I have used MPower, but never delighted with the results. I use the correct amount per litre, but seeing the water, I think that if I had used SPM there would be even more dirt.
I do use it on urine stains, vomit etc as I believe it helps. I do love Pre Spray Gold on "posher" carpets though.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

It seems M Power works well if you are prepared to work it in, I,e agitate so that it comes into contact with the dirt buy as a general pre-spray is perhaps too variable to be successful.

In other words the  big agitators get better results. ( Make of that what you will)

A bench mark I use is what the washing powder manufacturers use, after all they have R&D budgets a million times greater than cleaning suppliers.

Ask yourself why Persil don't have a  micelle washing powder.

Cheers

Doug

[Neil Jones]

Doug apparently it doesn't need agitation like a micro splitter.

I think m power is good on odours and blood. I also use it on wool but it has to be in great condition, more of a maintenance clean, the ones we all love.

[Robin Ray]

It seems a lot of people have tried really hard to eventually get it to work, when there are a lot of products out there which just work.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Since colloidal micelle cleaners differ from other cleaning compounds by functioning on a molecular level its important to keep an open mind and find out as much information as you can before you decide if this technology is right for you and the cleaning service you provide for your clients. These cleaning agents are both highly effective and non-toxic, they can be employed in countless settings, whether your objective is to clean,eliminate odors,degrease, micelle cleaners will get the job done all without negatively impacting the Environment.
colloidal micelles are used around the world in industries such as Agricultural,Horticulture,Boat and Marine,oil spill recovery,food service,facilities maintenance,institutional,hospitality,janitorial, and the list goes on, colloidal micelle cleaners are made from natural ingredients and will break down soils,urine,blood,vomit,odors, and much more, yet they are safe to use on any surface thats washable with water. These powerful tiny little workhorses have transformed cleaning and i would recommend anyone to contact a local janitorial supplier provided they have experience in micelles technology to find out the full facts.