[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

who says wfp is 100% safe? :

the possibilities to meet your demise are still there:

touch an electrical overhead wire with the pole and zapp your dead

trip over the hose and into the path of a bus and smash your dead

walk backwards to get the lower half of the windows and fall into the canal and splash your dead. (maybe )

and there are ways of killing others too with the thing, drop the pole on someones head and kaboom they are dead.

(yep i just watched one of the old batman shows )

but thats the point.....its still safer than ladders in the RIGHT hands....untrained folk are just as a liability with the wfp as the guys on the ladders untrained.

who would you rather have work for you.....the untrained wfp guy or the fully trained ladder guy?

wfp is the way forward for any dangerous heights and angles, no doubt/no dispute, and most of my work is wfp due to that reason, however ladders still have a place in the workplace in my opinion.

[idealrob]

who says wfp is 100% safe? :

the possibilities to meet your demise are still there:

touch an electrical overhead wire with the pole and zapp your dead

trip over the hose and into the path of a bus and smash your dead

walk backwards to get the lower half of the windows and fall into the canal and splash your dead. (maybe )

and there are ways of killing others too with the thing, drop the pole on someones head and kaboom they are dead.

(yep i just watched one of the old batman shows )

but thats the point.....its still safer than ladders in the RIGHT hands....untrained folk are just as a liability with the wfp as the guys on the ladders untrained.

who would you rather have work for you.....the untrained wfp guy or the fully trained ladder guy?

wfp is the way forward for any dangerous heights and angles, no doubt/no dispute, and most of my work is wfp due to that reason, however ladders still have a place in the workplace in my opinion.

Not saying and never will that WFP is the answer, it H & S, risk assesment, job method statments, thats what decides how safely we work. Thats why there are more ladder falls than being zapped by power cables, falling into a canal whilst WFP or WFP and jumping in front of a bus, please if I am wrong on statistics, give us the facts.
Ladders are great, as long a rick assesment, like wfp is done , if using a ladder have a ladder log and inspection method, is secured according to WAHR and is the correct ladder and not a domestic one etc. But just dreaming really, 99% dont bother with any of above.
We just got a large contract for Mars (Mars Bars Pension offices) been doing the work for 35 years on site for other contactor, but still had to prove competency,

idealrob

[Dave Willis]

Mrs was chatting today to the wife of the guy in the first post who smashed his arms. He's had them pinned and has an open wound on one. Apparently the damage is really bad.

Best bit though was he was painting his fascias ...................... he lives in a bungalow!

[idealrob]

Admire you dave, but wasting your breath, this lot dont beleive it will ever happen to them, or those that do beleive are too frightened to reply sensibly, or just say nothing and answer on stupid posts

idealrob

[Dave Willis]

Rob, I'm not having a go at anyone - just making conversation really. I use ladders now and again but try to avoid them if I can. I had a real fear of them three years ago but find myself up one once or trwice a week and often access garage roves  too. I don't worry so much now, which might be a bad thing. Just amazed how many ladder accidents there are when the subject comes up.

[Nathanael Jones]

The whole ladders being compared to driving thing is annoying me.

If a car was invented where it was impossible to crash,.. it was easy to use and very affordable, even if it did require a little re-training,... after 10 years of its production how many ppl would still be driving those old fashioned "crashable" cars???

WFP isn't the be all and end all of window cleaning, but it removes a big risk. If you can remove a risk and don't simply because you're set in your ways or stubborn, then you really need to get your head checked!

[bwoofie]

Hi guys, Hate to see that people have sustained injuries from ladder falls, it really does affect lives! but, and this is a big but? ladders are safe if used correctly! its as simple as that, if you want to avoid nasty accidents then try wfp, its up to you, dont blame a bit of aluminium if you slip trip or fall, its the fault of the operator everytime, get some training, stay safe.

[ivesonswc]

  your right but alot of people will not agree with you on here  :

[Nathanael Jones]

ladders are safe if used correctly! its as simple as that

True,.. but in the real world where you're climbing a ladder 100 times a day 5 days a week 48 weeks of the year can you really say that you use your ladder correctly on EVERY climb? Chances are at least once a week you will setup your ladder in an awkward spot, or simply no be paying enough attention.

[idealrob]

http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/faqs/heightreg.htm#do


found this on HSE website

idealrob

[idealrob]

http://www.lrbconsulting.co.uk/news_article_name/cleanerfalls.aspx

idealrob

[jsm]

we had a window cleaner in wrexham come of a ladder last month - broke his back, he;s been up them 20 years.

its just a numbers game - YOU will fall of them one day ,, i have from gutter height , lucky i had a sloping porch to slide off !! --  and yes i still use them and wfp ..