[Bryan_Dolby]

Hi

Meeting with the HSE very soon

Please tell me any problems  you think we should be talking about

Balconies
Window cleaners using ladders when R/A WAHR says you should be using WFP
Ladders not been securded to the building
Incorrect use of trailing hose pipes

These issues have allready been sent in by members

Bryan

[Moderator David@stives]

Balconies and flat roofs are the biggest problem for me, if you read the hse website , they say short duration we can use different control measures.

It would be good if the HSE can give a real life worked example of a couple of windows being cleaned on a flat roof at maximum allowable height and what control measures should be put in place.

The same for balconies, what id=s the definitave height when we cant climb over something and when we can what are the control measures.

[lozsing]

Incorrect use of trailing hose pipes

What does this mean?

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Lozsing I think it regards keeping the hose on the ground and as straight and flat as possible, not looped into a "birds nest" as this would be easier for people to trip over.



Matt

[daz1977]

i dont think it was a members only question,  he asked what people wanted to ask HSE,  if he didnt we would all be moaning that the HSE doesn know what a window cleaner really does and are bringing out stupid rules,  at least we have someone who can get a meeting with the HSE and get our point over, weather we are members or not

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Bryan is just asking for feedback on how the Federation can adjust and improve.
Saying the FWC is useless is an invalid point without stating how the Federation can be improved!!





Matt

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Bryan is wanting everyday window cleaners to raise any issues with regards to HSE as he will put this to them.

Sorry for previous post, I had forgotten which topic I was in.




Matt

[drwindows]

david @ st ives, this was not a flippant comment at all, but quite a serious one.

I do not believe that the FWC is any good, its as simple as that.  From what I can gather (though bryan dolby very pointedly DID NOT answer this question when i asked it before) they have about 1000 members, and therefore are nothing but a minor group who cant claim to represent anything.

Just for the record bryan, since you are not ignoring me this time, how many members do you have?  Simple question; lets see if you answer.

Bryan you said:

We do not represent you

But your website says that one of the aims of the FWC is to:
"Represent the Industry with government and municipal bodies."

It does not say "to represent members" is says to represent THE INDUSTRY.  IE window cleaners as a whole.  So actually you ARE trying to represent me, whether I am a member or not.  This is what I object to.

You seem to know everthing about the window cleaning industry
can you tell me how long you have been window cleaning  
what W/C qualifications have you got
Industry experience

Do you use ladders or WFP

You remind me of that willis fella who came on here claiming to be the king of the industry when he actually knew nothing about waterfed poles and had never ever used them before.  I am a window cleaner of about 3 years or so, i dont claim to know "all about the industry " at all, but I can spot a rubbishy, old fashioned association when I see one, I've seen them before in other industries.  I am not claiming to represent anybody, unlike you.

I just dont think its right that my so-called interests are represented by the FWC who I think are useless.  How do I know you really will represent my interests?  How do I know, for example, that you wont try to force through a law that requires all window cleaners to members of the FWC?

Nothing flippant about that.

And just so you know I havent forgotten, how many members has the FWC got?  See if you answer.

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

hi Matt, ru a member?

Not yet but hopefully within the next couple of weeks I will be.



Matt

[Frankybadboy]

hi Matt, ru a member?

Not yet but hopefully within the next couple of weeks I will be.



Matt

matt pull your finger out then it could be this week

[paul rulton]

hi Matt, ru a member?

Not yet but hopefully within the next couple of weeks I will be.
Matt

thanks Matt   think im gonna leave this thread alone & talk 2Craig at POLARBRITE
n c wot he thinks :

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

lol @ Franky, I might do mate




Matt

[Moderator David@stives]

Drwindows

all we have established in 20 replies is that you dont want representing,

llets just see wht everyone else suggests

[Frankybadboy]

 

lol @ Franky, I might do mate




Matt

[mci services]

ok here goes

can you ask if it is acceptable to use ladders when cleaning first floor windows using the safest method possible from a ladder when using wfp would mean you are soaking the non customers window down stairs

is it acceptable to clean from a ladder when the windows are poorly maintained and fragile and using wfp could result in breakages and damage to the glass

as well as the points you already have

oh one more if ladders are used is a A frame (pointer) acceptable with only three points of contact and not certified to en131 or whatever the certification is

hope you get some decent answers from the HSE good luck

ps franky stop biting

[Nathanael Jones]

Bryan,

There seems to be a lot of different attitudes to what the work at height directive means for our industry. I don't want a HSE version of the ladders vs wfp debate,.. but perhaps some serious clarification on what the regulations mean in the real world to us.
What is "reasonably practicable" with regards to ladder use. Is "wfp costs too much" something that would make ladders a "reasonably practicable" option?
What is "Short duration" work on a ladder,.. eg a window might only take 2 minutes to clean, but if you're up and down the ladder 6 hours of the day repeating the same task, how is it viewed?

Real clarification, real answers, no excused & no loopholes,... and all with a good dash of common sense,... if you can do that I'll buy you a pint at the next Windex!

[bluez]

Industry comparisons, it feels to me as if the wc industry is being very heavily regulated by the hse, not in comparison to say construction but if it is compared to painting and decorating there seems to be a major imbalance.

Perhaps this is just my perception and that if I was a painting contractor I would feel different, but I would be interested if there is a different approach being taken by the HSE to different industries and the levels of enforcment.

Oh and I would be interested to know how many members the fwc has  

[Bryan_Dolby]

Nat

I will try

Bryan

[daz1977]

i would like to know regarding tanks in vans if they have any plans to stop diy sets up and make you have a crash tested system, as if this happens this might have a bigger impact than the use of ladders reg

[Moderator David@stives]

I have deleted a lot of posts, I want the answers to be relevent, not tit for tat,