[derek west]

just had a call from robert saunders and the hard floor course has been cancelled due to low numbers, absolutely gutted and feel totally let down. poo happens eh!

 

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Thats a bummer Derek as its a good course, I know Kev Loomes was going on it as well.

[davep]

Was going to go but bit far  :

[derek west]

on the good side though, apparantly we can get on the next course for half price, i'll let ya know how that turns out. meanwhile, i'm looking for another course before mi april if anyone knows of any, let me know

[will_turton]

yes

[Phild]

What do you want to learn about specifically on hard floors Derek? I only ask as we are putting some training / demo stuff on in May and it can be customised to the attendees. A bit of a hike from Cheshire to Tyneside but it's at the weekend so your not losing earnings and .......... it's free ;-)

[derek west]

hi phil
couldn't say specifically as i haven't a clue but in general i'd like to be able to identify different surfaces, know what surfaces pose a danger and how to avoid creating a problem, what chems to use for each surface i come across, not only to get the dirt out but other problems like moss or oil stains, and others. i'm guessing theres porous and non porous surfaces so obviously some could absorb certain chems which may or may not cause problems, i don't know really, just want to have confidence in knowing what i'm talking about when doing the survey, so identification is paramount. how to strip and reseal, how to apply anti mould (if there is such a thing)
think i'm making it up now,

flooring i think i will be cleaning are altro (obviously) or safety flooring, floor tiles and wall tiles, patio's ie... flagging, indian stone (got one of them to clean when i'm ready, with a moss problem) decking, concrete (that one with patterns imprinted in it told u i aint got a clue) then theres the flooring with the letter z innit, terrazine or something like that, or is it mezzanine, now do you see why i need a course. plus theres lino's and probably a million other types of flooring out there.
fck me, i'm writing a novel here. anyway you get the gist.

ps.... no wheres to far if i learn something that can make money

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Derek have you tried these

www.tiledoctor.co.uk/

I was going on it and booked then had to cancel because something came up, they call the guy Russell.

Shaun

[derek west]

shaun

russell eh! must have a paper bag on his head. the school yard ones are the best.

cheers for that just emailed them.

[elliott cleaning]

Hard Floor Course cancelled due to lack of interest    It always amazes me when I speak to fellow carpet cleaners, how few even consider adding hard floor cleaning to their repertoire.  Although initially a carpet & upholstery cleaner, more than thirty percent of my turnover now comes from hard surfaces.  Do I need to spend money on advertising this - no - most of the houses I clean have a certain amount of hard floors - either wet or dry mopped regularly by the maid or the house owner.  It takes me ten minutes at the end of a carpet clean to show them what their hard floor should look like and the business is mine.   Walk into half the commercial premises in this country & you will find that their reception area is hard floor.  This is their front to the public & should look prestine.  What do they do with it? - they let their commercial daily cleaners give it a wet mop & every now and again a burnish if applicable.  all done in about 15 minutes.  No wonder all they are doing is moving the dirt around.
Pick the type of hard flooring you want to start with & work on that - the capital outlay then isn't so large - and build from there to other types of hard surfaces

And what's more - cleaning carpets & upholstery day in & day out gets incredibly boring

[derek west]

Pick the type of hard flooring you want to start with & work on that - the capital outlay then isn't so large - and build from there to other types of hard surfaces

or go for it all guns blazing

either way is good.

[elliott cleaning]

or go for it all guns blazing

Yep - your right Derek - just found that whenever I shot the client - I never got paid

[derek west]

or go for it all guns blazing

Yep - your right Derek - just found that whenever I shot the client - I never got paid

well if you gonna shoot em ya might as well rob the fkrs while your there, it'd be rude not too

[collins ReVive Stoneworks]

if you wanna get into tile & grout

i would reccomend woodbridge very highly they have a purpose built unit with several types of flooring to practise and get yer hands on

they also do grout re-coloring and sealing

these are the people that put together www.cleantileandgrout.co.uk

as for tile doctor you will be wasting money and there chems are aqua mix on a private lable.........

listen Derek as for plastic floors contarct cleaners have been doing these for years
nothing that new here although a trip to the flooring show might be worth it to look at other products and recomended treatments

look i am not knocking these schools but you only really learn by expereince
no one can train you how to clean floors, there are many situations when chemistry just will not cut it...

unless of course you want to use strippers that will melt yer gloves, melt plastic brushes and wear a mask that protects from nasty volatile odours Keithknows that...

hard floors are easy, no really...... you stressing over nowt....

[derek west]

totally agree karl. i'm pretty sure any one can clean hardfloor.

the course is to give me confidence when quoting.

make me sound like i know what i'm doing, that way i get the job then i ring you and ask whats the best method

tiledoctor looks good but not for me, its all tile and grout including re tiling and grouting, i just want to clean. its £350 plus vat for 2 day course which includes 1 night hotel accomodation if anyones interested.

[collins ReVive Stoneworks]

Hi Derek

you quite right i was just trying to save you a heep of money

i know cos, i done the same

still did not learn that much till i got stuck in and tested things....

good luck though bud and at half price i think you are onto a winner there...

[Griffus]

On the hard floor jobs we've worked on I have always been able to establish the floor type via the customer (thus far they've always been commercial and records available).

May be we've just been lucky.

As soon as I know manufacturer and type I contact said manufacturer and discuss the best way to progress. Whether just cleaning or stripping and resealing for me it is a must to use only chemicals as specifically recommended by the flooring manufacturer.

In my opinion it is also essential to get a good contact at chemical manufacturers as and when you use their products and discuss each individual job and approach.

Hard floor cleaning can be a good earner but it is essential to be mindful of the potential pitfalls and potential for litigation should things go wrong.

Research, research and then research!

[Ricky M]

Derek have you tried these

www.tiledoctor.co.uk/

I was going on it and booked then had to cancel because something came up, they call the guy Russell.

Shaun

just a bit of feed back on this course:
this course is not supposed be the best according to the feed back I got from some 1 who went on it late last year. he give me lots of reasons not to book it .

[Joe H]

Tiledoctor seems to be some sort of "franchise" though to what degree I dont know.
I enquired about the training and was told they train those who can cover a certain geographical area, but if that area already has someone in place then they wont train anyone else for it.
Cheshire Lancashire Merseyside already taken so no training for me.
So I will get myself trained elsewhere and be in competition, and they dont get product purchases.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Ricky I asked a few otheres about this course and a lot do think it's good but like anything it depends on who you ask, the school near you in Newcastle sounds good but the course never materialised may be worth asking Pete BTW DEREK there's hard floor exhibits at the CCDO Sunday 11th April and the guy who runs the course is there doing them.

Shaun