[JamesTurnbull]

lol i may be young but no way am i naive,

lol

those vans are mine im doing fine thanks dont think there end up on ebay any time soon pmsl.

 I think theres more like than 4 or 5 ionics vans  in frome

i was never under any faulse impression that having them would get me more work.

I was never sold a territory, i dont need anyone to tell me where im allowed to clean windows as i am my own boss.

Anyone buying an ionics van or diy, can fail at this, but having professional tools has paid off in my case anyway.
Ive built my customer base in a matter of months tbh not many people care how you clean the windows resi as long as you do a good job, but for commercial the system is impressive to look at and really sells it self .
it looks good for them to have us parked outside cleaning their windows.
I was recently in a car crash and if i had an unsecured ton of water hurling at me i would be finished.I very nearly was anyway. I paid the extra for the crash testing alone i am happy to do so.
i hate all this ionics bashing

well said mate.

sadly this forum has quite a few so called w/cs who dislike anyone spending money on a well made system and fitted safely with your safety in mind.         when their not knocking Ionics they are usually knocking their own customers for wanting to leave a clean for a month    same ols moaning people over and over

never mind its the weekend        and I'm working saturday with my Ionics pro 5 thermapure  and that has picked me work up 

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I bet it was your logo mate, like my ionics one, people jsut look at it and want me to clean there window, do you find the same??? lol 

[bluez]

Im thinking of sueing Toyota as my next door neighbour has just bought one and at least 5 others on my street have them as well. Have Toyota no shame? Where is their integrity?


Come on lad get a grip!!

[stephen s]

lol i may be young but no way am i naive,

lol

those vans are mine im doing fine thanks dont think there end up on ebay any time soon pmsl.

 I think theres more like than 4 or 5 ionics vans  in frome

i was never under any faulse impression that having them would get me more work.

I was never sold a territory, i dont need anyone to tell me where im allowed to clean windows as i am my own boss.

Anyone buying an ionics van or diy, can fail at this, but having professional tools has paid off in my case anyway.
Ive built my customer base in a matter of months tbh not many people care how you clean the windows resi as long as you do a good job, but for commercial the system is impressive to look at and really sells it self .
it looks good for them to have us parked outside cleaning their windows.
I was recently in a car crash and if i had an unsecured ton of water hurling at me i would be finished.I very nearly was anyway. I paid the extra for the crash testing alone i am happy to do so.
i hate all this ionics bashing

well said mate.

sadly this forum has quite a few so called w/cs who dislike anyone spending money on a well made system and fitted safely with your safety in mind.         when their not knocking Ionics they are usually knocking their own customers for wanting to leave a clean for a month    same ols moaning people over and over

never mind its the weekend        and I'm working saturday with my Ionics pro 5 thermapure  and that has picked me work up 

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I bet it was your logo mate, like my ionics one, people jsut look at it and want me to clean there window, do you find the same??? lol 

Ive actually been asked to open a new supermarket because of my Ionics system and I'm finding women are starting to throw their knickers at me 

[kevin James]

Im thinking of sueing Toyota as my next door neighbour has just bought one and at least 5 others on my street have them as well. Have Toyota no shame? Where is their integrity?


Come on lad get a grip!!

are all these toyotas being used as taxi's?
Then the case is comparable.

Else you're drivelling.

[Clive McDonald]

The guys obviously built this up in his own mind, the idea firstly that it is some kind of franchise, and secondly that people in it have been suckered.

The ionics people i have seen all do well.The difference is only a few thousand.

The same goes for his quad system, he's built it up in his own mind that people like myself (square signwritten white van people) lack the imagination or bravery to do what he has done.I think a van is easier, and i would be wary of customers perceptions of me.

I have never really 'got' the quad bike, or Matt's vw van, but felt a little mean saying so.Without being cruel if ionics wanted a humourous poster depicting DIY efforts in a negative compare and contrast way with one of their pro systems they needn't look much further than the hottie.

 

[kevin James]

Well, the only way to tell which business models are succesful is the passage of time.

The recession is not over yet, unemployment levels are said to peak this year. This means more folks trying to support their families anyway they can. Window cleaning is one of the easiest ways & ladders are not illegal. Any system which requires charging a custie way more than the ladder guys doesn't make economic sense for new entrants, without a good customer base. My point is it's irresponsible to sell, sell, sell without helping the newbie see all the diffuculities ahead. Such as too many businesses with the same marketing tool.

You may not see the point of the quad but 800 custies around here do. And there's nothing to beat it fir parking in Bath.

Kevin   
 

[matt]

I have never really 'got' the quad bike, or Matt's vw van, but felt a little mean saying so.
 

my VW van is a campervan ( a caravan with its own engine ), whats not to get  ?? ? ? ? its a van that gets me from a - b - c and i can camp in it, forget the fact that its over 50 years old, forget the fact thats it's Iconic ( yes i spelt it right )

whats not to get ? ? ? , take a drive in spring time, 1 out of 10 vehicles on the road seem to be a caravan or campervan, seriously, you must have added my name to get me drawn into this discussion

Kevins hottie looks like a fun vehicle, i am sure people around frome know him as the quad window cleaner, Slumpy, you have been an about building a brand name and getting known, Kevin has done this, he is the quad window cleaner

[AuRavelling79]

Slumps - on another post you complimented me on my writing style - your last post has succinctly and superbly put the case for the way you have done things wfp. I'm genuinely impressed.

Kevin - you have just as succinctly put the case for your way of doing things too. And I'm just as impressed with that too.

And matt's contribution ticks those boxes too.

There are several ways to skin a cat I believe and while I have a leaning towards the DiY approach I also run my system  from what was 3 years ago a new van with an SLX at the sharp end.

I am at present wary of DiY'ing hot water as I don't want to do a "Casey Jones"   - but I'd certainly employ a qualified plumber to oversee an adaption of what I've got.

Going back to the original question - Are Ionics in legal danger? No, I don't think so.

[matt]

lol i may be young but no way am i naive,

lol

those vans are mine im doing fine thanks dont think there end up on ebay any time soon pmsl.

 I think theres more like than 4 or 5 ionics vans  in frome

i was never under any faulse impression that having them would get me more work.

I was never sold a territory, i dont need anyone to tell me where im allowed to clean windows as i am my own boss.

Anyone buying an ionics van or diy, can fail at this, but having professional tools has paid off in my case anyway.
Ive built my customer base in a matter of months tbh not many people care how you clean the windows resi as long as you do a good job, but for commercial the system is impressive to look at and really sells it self .
it looks good for them to have us parked outside cleaning their windows.
I was recently in a car crash and if i had an unsecured ton of water hurling at me i would be finished.I very nearly was anyway. I paid the extra for the crash testing alone i am happy to do so.
i hate all this ionics bashing

well said mate.

sadly this forum has quite a few so called w/cs who dislike anyone spending money on a well made system and fitted safely with your safety in mind.         when their not knocking Ionics they are usually knocking their own customers for wanting to leave a clean for a month    same ols moaning people over and over

so if you dont spend money on a well made system, your just a "so called w/cs "  : :

it might be news to you, but you can clean windows with a 30 quid ladder and a sqeegee and mop ( total spend 50 quid ), infact many do

but they cannot be real window cleaners as they havent spent alot of money  : :

you seem to think because you have spent money you are a real window cleaner and others are not , it doesnt work like that i am afraid

[Clive McDonald]

800 custies is good, that's more than me, you have a degree of individuality and imagination that your customers must find okay.I'm sure that many of them reading this would side entirely with you.

The cost of the system for a business like yours is not a significant factor.You could afford ionics if you wanted to.

Like you I am worried about start ups and the poor economic outlook too.You've taken and stick with the cheapo route and it's paid off for you. i like to invest more and work less hard, but for all i know you may well out earn me and the ionics boys (i don't have an ionics).

Matt agree with you.But does that mean ionics lads are mugs still?

Yes i do go on about building a brand and he has done that very well as you point out, the quad window cleaner is good.The cheapo, crack pot jackpot inventor side is bad.- in brand terms that is.

Agree with Malc too.

[kevin James]

Slumps,

wot do you think to the website?

Lifeonaledge.co.uk?

Kevin.

[AuRavelling79]

Slumps,

wot do you think to the website?

Lifeonaledge.co.uk?

Kevin.

I love it!

I think the picture of the Bristol Assembly Hall under commercial is stretching a point! How about "We'll clean your church for you!" - err perhaps not! 

[kevin James]

Aaahhg,

but malc, only a few of us would know it was the assembly hall!
 
Sides it's a good picture of our youngest elder (25)

kevin

[Clive McDonald]

Ahhh, that was a bit of a surprise.It wasn't what i was expecting at all.Yes i was impressed by all aspects of this.

You've taken the wind out of my sails a bit because you've pretty much ace'd every area where i might have put you right.

My own website compared to this is far more of a white van website and my website is the weakest part of my business.

I have to admitt this is branding at a very high level- it never occurred to me that it could be done so well.I have a few ideas too, but i don't like to share them on here.

I still think you are wrong about ionics but other that very well thought through.

[kevin James]

Thanks slumps.

 Respect.

Kevin.

[AuRavelling79]

Aaahhg,

but malc, only a few of us would know it was the assembly hall!
 
Sides it's a good picture of our youngest elder (25)

kevin

Busted! 

25! Good grief! I've got older mayonnaise in my fridge! 

Was his appointment due to:-

A) David Hudson's parthian shot to raise the numbers?

B) Kevin Franklin's in a "bring on the youngsters cuz Shakespeare was only 18 when he got married" frame of mind.

 

[darren73]

good website kevin,nice bike as well-do you get much work doing greenhouses/polytunnels-seems like a good add-on

[bluez]

Kevin,
Neither Ionics or toyota sell money making schemes they sell wc equipment / cars and they are businesses that is their job.

You started this post under the heading Ionics in legal Danger, and then you outlined that by selling to multiple customers in the one area that they were damaging their brand. They dont care about the end users ability to drive or clean windows they care about selling their product.

My analogy is a fair reflection of your misguided assumption.

[idealrob]

Kevin, you go on about ionics etc, the fact of the matter is your quad & trailer doesnt look like a profesional company, looks amaturish imo. I think that its a risk to the public and a health & safety danger, ionics are thatcham crash tested and and as JW we know life is sacred, thats why we bought ionics one, and as other quoted you put Bristol assembly hall on your website as a commercial, if its the lad in a cardigan, it looks very professional. lol

what do you think of the safety of the public and others how may hurt themselves close by,  by your decking boards, any warning of the hot pipes etc. i could go on.

idealrob

[stephen s]

Well, the only way to tell which business models are succesful is the passage of time.

The recession is not over yet, unemployment levels are said to peak this year. This means more folks trying to support their families anyway they can. Window cleaning is one of the easiest ways & ladders are not illegal. Any system which requires charging a custie way more than the ladder guys doesn't make economic sense for new entrants, without a good customer base. My point is it's irresponsible to sell, sell, sell without helping the newbie see all the diffuculities ahead. Such as too many businesses with the same marketing tool.

You may not see the point of the quad but 800 custies around here do. And there's nothing to beat it fir parking in Bath.

Kevin   
























your funny