[richie]

I understand that it is a 'non profit orgainisation' so there's your answer really? doesnt seem like they are in it for themselves.

I think that some people think that because they are saying its a non profit making organisation this means they will not be earning money from it.  Just because it 'non profit making' does not mean they will not be earning from it.

I do hope that they can raise awareness to the consumer, If CLEAN does manage this then it will not just benefit people who have signed upto CLEAN but CCs outside of the organisation would also feel the benefits.

Richie.

[Joe H]

Do you still have to attend 45 minute talk before taking exam

Is exam under strict exam conditions, as NCCA send their one through post

Ian - I dont think NCCA do send the exam thro the post to you.
You do the 2 day course - a Fri and Sat (so doe not intrude in to the working week to much) and you sit the exam at the end of the 2 day. Its all based on what the course has covered.

I hear and dont know if its true, but if you fail they do allow you to do a retest thro the post - whether its a full paper or just a part paper on what you failed on I dont know.
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I think the NCCA is about £2oo +vat.

Clean will be £35 for the exam, then £200.
If you go to the CCDO location (Stoke) on the Saturday you get the exam free
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Seems a lot of questions are being asked when the CLEAN website answers most of them.

[Barry Livingstone]

Just looks like another JOLLY up for you boys in the south if you ask me.......seeing there passing about work on the south .........NOthing near the NORTH.......JUST LIKE THE NCCA....

I was told when i was a lad that the NCCA wasnt worth it....but then what do i know no Only been at this 10 years...

[Colin Day]

Just looks like another JOLLY up for you boys in the south if you ask me.......seeing there passing about work on the south .........NOthing near the NORTH.......JUST LIKE THE NCCA....

I was told when i was a lad that the NCCA wasnt worth it....but then what do i know no Only been at this 10 years...

So join and become the ambassador for the North! Simple really, ask the organisers if you could work something out.... They're very helpful you know?

[derek west]

stoke on trent southerners eh! i'll be there.

[gwrightson]

In my book stoke on trent is southern Derick 

whilst your on here Derick perhaps you may be able to answer one of my quetions i keep asking, some questions have been answered ,and some skirted around but,

Does somebody who has taken numerous courses and already passed exams and has a number of years experience still have to go on a course and take an exam?
Thats is all i wish to know, well for now any way

i understand the membership has to be paid ect.etc. i understand their are costs involved , but I have yet not seen an answer to this question, it,s simple enough isnt it ?

Geoff

[derek west]

don't see why not geoff, its there organisation so to be a member you should fit there criteria, i'll be at the ccdo if they'll sell me a ticket or 2 so i guess i'll take the exam while i'm there. thats if i'm allowed without actually joining till ive made my mind up.

[richy27]

In my book stoke on trent is southern Derick 

whilst your on here Derick perhaps you may be able to answer one of my quetions i keep asking, some questions have been answered ,and some skirted around but,

Does somebody who has taken numerous courses and already passed exams and has a number of years experience still have to go on a course and take an exam?
Thats is all i wish to know, well for now any way



i understand the membership has to be paid ect.etc. i understand their are costs involved , but I have yet not seen an answer to this question, it,s simple enough isnt it ?

Geoff

Geoff dont think you will get a straight answer to that question on here unless answered by one of the directors of clean seems a sensible question. I guess if people can prove they have attended acredited courses within a certain time frame. Within any oraganisation there needs to be a certain level of clarification of skill level and to be honest i cant see to problem with attending a course if cheap enough and sitting a simple exam. where i would have a problem iis if it involved continually dong training days within an organisation. I always paln to do some sort of course each year in something eg last year i did the LTT 4 day course i do believe in on going training but this is something i like to control myself.

Direct your question to clean i would you will have your answer i am sure.

[Neil Williams]

Ian - I dont think NCCA do send the exam thro the post to you.

You're right they don't, because I tried that avenue and they weren't having it.....their loss basically.

As for the rest of the comments coming through, why are same few banging on about what's not right for them. Fine you don't like the idea then don't join. How about some positive posts on what they are/might be doing for the industry.
As already mentioned carpet cleaning is an unregulated industry, and we're all guilty of moaning and whinging at the £8 a room outfits that are basically giving the carpet cleaning industry a bad name. These guys want to change the public perseption which will help us real pros. So give them some backing eh?
I'm not going into the details but already one job has come my way that will pay for membership, exam fees, hotel accom and one almighty pee up with change left over. Not a bad start is it?

[gwrightson]

Ian - I dont think NCCA do send the exam thro the post to you.

You're right they don't, because I tried that avenue and they weren't having it.....their loss basically.

As for the rest of the comments coming through, why are same few banging on about what's not right for them. Fine you don't like the idea then don't join. How about some positive posts on what they are/might be doing for the industry.
As already mentioned carpet cleaning is an unregulated industry, and we're all guilty of moaning and whinging at the £8 a room outfits that are basically giving the carpet cleaning industry a bad name. These guys want to change the public perseption which will help us real pros. So give them some backing eh?
I'm not going into the details but already one job has come my way that will pay for membership, exam fees, hotel accom and one almighty pee up with change left over. Not a bad start is it?

So already you have some work from them, well done.

Have you already taken the course and sat the exam then?
I f so how you manged to do that already?

and in you assuption of people banging on about what is not right for them, was you reffering to me as one of them? because all I am doing is asking, like i have already stated "not knocking them"

geoff

[Joe H]

Geoff, you used to be a member of the CCDO forum. Do you not have access to it now, cause all the info and lead up to whats happening now is on there, including the link to the CLEAN website.
Add it all together and you see a clearer picture instead of others speculating and maybe getting it wrong.
But yes, no matter what quals you have or how long you been carpet cleaning you have to take the exam at £35 - but its free if you go to Stoke (in the north Midlands) on the Sat before the CCDO day on the Sunday.

[Neil Williams]

Have you already taken the course and sat the exam then?

Not yet but this offer of work was open to everyone. I'll take it along with others thanks to the guys at CLEAN.

and in you assuption of people banging on about what is not right for them, was you reffering to me as one of them?

I'll be honest and say yes.
Having been there and done the setting up of an organisation for window cleaners i know how we felt about what we wanted to create, what people said they wanted us to correct and all the hassle and sniping we had to endure. Like I've said ask questions but let's stop loading them in order to create a scenerio of 'they are benefiting' for themselves, sort of stuff.

[Barry Livingstone]

SO they want to to pay to take an EXAM....and they dont train you before hand? can I get my daughters driving test thats way

Isnt the point of an EXAM to be taken after a traing course has been undertaken???

it looks like its not getting off to the best start....Lots of questions......and not enough info in the web site!!!!!!!!!!!! : :

[Joe H]

Carpet cleaners must be a fickle lot.

One wants to join NCCA, willing to take the exam but not the training.

Another says taking an exam without training is not the right way to go.

To the latter - why not ask the questions on CCDO - I think you are a poster on there, arent you?

[Barry Livingstone]

NO joe am not but my brother is!!! hes looking into it as am  part timer...and he runs the company

[Tony Gill Carpet Smart]

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It is planned to have an hour introduction, followed by a 45 minute exam consisting of 30 questions. The introduction will cover all the topics in the exam.

The test is designed for established cleaner’s, with experience of real life carpet cleaning. It will be of a practical nature and based on how a cleaner would approach a carpet and upholstery cleaning job in a professional manner.

Further courses covering a much more indepth knowledge of the process of cleaning will equip members with the range of skills needed to be an expert cleaner. Attendance on courses will be reflected in the individuals membership grade and inform the public of his or hers range of expertise.

Entry

Established cleaners entry exam following one hour seminar

Further Courses  (Dates Coming Soon!)

Stain removal

Advanced Stain Removal.

Rug  Cleaning. Identification

Low moisture carpet cleaning. Bonnet, Tex. Dry Fusion, Charley Pads etc

Dry carpet cleaning

Upholstery Cleaning

Truckmount servicing and operation inc RX20 and other tools.

Portable  servicing and operation.



Other courses planned will include;

Leather cleaning

Hard floor cleaning and restoration.

Protectors Types, Application, Selling

All courses will have a strong practical emphasis and cover real cleaning situations.Cleaning Learning Excellence Association Network (CLEAN). Registered Address: Unit 2, Old Wheldon Rd, Stoke on Trent, Staffs, ST4 4HW

[derek west]

no odour control course?
tut.

[Tony Gill Carpet Smart]

Derek 

[elliott cleaning]

As a precursor, I believe C.L.E.A.N. is a pretty good initiative.
From what I can see, the association is looking for established cleaners with real life experience in carpet & upholstery cleaning.
Those sort of cleaners will virtually all have undergone relevant training in their time and therefore I can't understand some above bitching about spending £35 to prove they know what's what. After all you can earn more than twice as much as that  before breakfast on any given day.
What would concern me more was the grading levels which are subject to attendance of additional courses.    Regretfully, having been around the block more times than many, I deal with what would be thrown up on these additional courses on a day to day basis.

If under a CLEAN multi operational job I was working one end of a building & another member was cleaning the other side of the building without any knowledge of Advanced Stain Removal - would I want my business' name associated with the total job.

Although there are obviously basic fundamentals for cleaning, there are also many variable approaches to cleaning different materials & surfaces.
To take rugs as an example:   Some believe, where suitable, total immersion is the very best way. In other words sling them in a wash pit, brush, and then bung them in a cetrifuge. I think some behind CLEAN see it this way.    Others regard total immersion only applicable for urine contamination or disaster restoration & to do otherwise does the rug no favour.    Take your pick as to who is right or wrong but the course will be heavily influenced by who is holding the course.

At the end of the day, no short course or exam is going to make a 'professional' carpet cleaner noticably better.   Experience & experimentation is

[robert meldrum]

With a couple of apparently BIG jobs already won a major part of the organisation has proven itself even before the official launch.
Any of you watching the programme about emmigration to Australia  / New Zealand couldn't fail to have noticed that NO MATTER HOW EXPERIENCED OR APPARENTLY KNOWLEDEABLE  people are, they have to prove their abilities beyond all reasonable doubt and even re train before being taken on.
It's the way it should be.....
Would any of you take someone on to service a lucrative contract without thoroughly checking their knowledge and skill ?
I've gone through this process a couple of times and although I achieved " high marks " there was still additional training to do before being let loose, so to speak, on the paying public .............AND there was the annual review to ensure standards were being maintained.
If a uniform standard is to be achieved there has to be a set of criteria.
If you're happy with your business there is no need to join anything, but there are always benefits to be had from a " group "of potential buyers, eg, insurance, phones, van discounts, etc.