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Pristine Clean

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Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« on: January 10, 2010, 09:42:39 am »
I was looking at truckmounts on the web and found this article located here

http://www.ecofriendlycarpetcare.com/truckmount-vs-portable-carpet-cleaning-machines.html

I have copied and pasted it below, your opinions please. As I have purchased a new van and I was considering going TM/Prowler but may just upgrade my porty. Cheers

Dave


Truck Mounted Carpet Cleaning Myths

Many people believe that a truck mounted carpet cleaning system is the only way to get their carpets clean, but this is simply untrue. In fact, truck mounted systems are one of the noisiest and most wasteful ways to clean your carpets. Unlike portable systems, which are brought into the home, a truck mounted system is much larger, and sits in front of your house. The machine will be running the whole time your carpet is being cleaned, disturbing your neighbors. Plus, steam cleaning using a truck mounted system uses many gallons of water, leaving your carpets wet and susceptible to mold.

Though many people believe that a truck mounted system will have a higher vacuum power, this is not usually the case. Though it’s important to compare the systems you are considering, in many cases portable units are capable of the same suction power. In fact, truck mounted systems lose a lot of their vacuum power in the hoses between the truck and your carpeting. The vacuum power must be measured at the wand, not at the source, in order to be directly comparable. Power at the wand is directly correlated with the efficiency of carpet cleaning and water recovery, but many times a portable system will be comparable to a truck mounted system in this respect.

Many people are fooled by the price and size of a truck mounted unit, believing that because of this, it must be better than a smaller machine. This is simply not true! Bigger is not always better, and in fact, one study found that truck mounted and portable hot water extraction carpet cleaners effectively remove an average of 97 percent of residue and soil. In a recent technical bulletin, Shaw Industries, the world's largest carpet manufacturer, "recommends the hot water extraction system, which research indicates provides the best capability for cleaning,” whether using a truck mounted or portable system.

Many truck mounted cleaning systems are very high pressure, usually capable of over 1,000 PSI. Many people believe that the higher the PSI, the better the cleaning will be. Actually, this high pressure can actually damage your carpets, shortening their lifespan. A system of 300-400 PSI, available with most portable units, is actually much safer for your carpets, and will be plenty aggressive.

Some companies using truck mounted systems will argue that the heat used by the system, which can reach over 200 degrees, causes the carpet to dry quickly. However, carpet cleaned with such a system can take over a day for the 20-40 gallons of water left in the carpet of a typical home to dry. This water sitting deep within your carpet provides ample opportunity for mold to grow. The rugs and carpets are left wet for far too long. In contrast, other methods, such as low moisture carpet cleaning using a portable unit, are just as effective as a truck mounted unit and use much less water.

Some truck mounted systems can exceed the temperature of water that is safe for your carpets, which can cause damage. Plus, some truck mounted carpet cleaning companies use this additional capacity to heat hot water to dilute the cleaning solution more. The hotter water may mean that the truck-mounted system operator is trying to get by with using as little cleaning solution as possible.

Portable carpet cleaners using a low-moisture method are much better for the environment than these truck-mounted systems, using much less water and contributing less to pollution. Plus, you won’t bother your neighbors with a heavy truck running in your driveway for hours on end. When using a truck mounted system you’ll have to bring the hoses in and leave a door or window open. In short, truck mounted carpet cleaners waste water and contribute to air, water, and noise pollution.


Let Me Cut To The Chase


No matter which carpet cleaning company you choose or the methods they use, they will always claim that their process reigns supreme. That's just the way it is. It's business, it's competition, and to each his own. Either way it's good for the consumer and ultimately benefits the local economy. Do truck mounted systems do a good job? Yes, if it used by a trained professional from a reputable company you should love the results. Are portable systems comparable and will it do the same job just as good or better? Absolutely! You won't believe how fresh and clean your carpets look and smell! The only difference between portables and the competition is that we are the most eco-friendly and healthy choice for your home.

Many carpet cleaners will lead you to believe that because their equipment is so expensive that it must be superior. They also don't tell you that the price of their equipment includes the vehicle that their equipment is mounted in. Not that it really matters, they do a fine job. Although it is a false claim that it is the only way to get spectacular results.

Let me be clear, that most portable systems are not a "quick dry carpet cleaning method" however, it is quicker and more eco-friendly no matter how you slice it. They usually are not "cut-rate" cleaning companies. However, we do agree that you need to stay away from the splash and dash "cut-rate" cleaners that may be lurking around just to make a quick buck.

Most companies would like you to believe (in defense of their truck mount systems) that a quick drying process requires a more aggressive rubbing and scrubbing which could damage your carpets. This is the furthest thing from the truth. Do a simple search and you will quickly realize that this claim is contradicted by virtually every industry leader in the field, the EPA, and double blind scientific studies from numerous respectable institutions. The only place you hear or see this type of claim is on carpet cleaning forums and blogs by truck mounted system business owners.

To see how these companies contradict themselves you will notice that they tout these big fancy and powerful rotary extractor machines. Now look at their own description of this machine where they themselves describe it's aggressive scrubbing action, it doesn't take much to notice the contradiction of claims. Our system is all about hot water extraction with a heavy emphasis on rinsing just the same as truck mounts...except we don't waste the precious resource of water, pollute the environment, take a risk with your health and indoor air quality, or annoy your neighbors with loud noise for hours on end. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Seeing is believing!
"You have to except that some days you are the statue and other days you are a pigeon"

Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2010, 10:07:01 am »
Even as a porty user I would quibble with some of the statements in that article.

Stand by for more comments.

Helmets on everybody!!!!!!
Diplomacy: the art of letting other people have your way

clinton

Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2010, 10:10:17 am »
Same as roger really ;D

Take cover :D

Peter Sweeney

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2010, 10:11:30 am »
Ha ha Roger

This forum wowuld'nt be what it is without its quarterly TM v Porty debate. Like you say though, helmets on.

Or you could just kill it by saying horses for courses.

Pete

Pristine Clean

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2010, 10:17:25 am »
What about the "The vacuum power must be measured at the wand"

Would a TM win in power with the 150 feet hose or more compared a a porty hose of say 50 feet if measured at the wand?
When compared to an uptodate porty.

This is not a debate, I am trying to get real facts.

How would you measure the power? Is there a tool for this?

Dave
"You have to except that some days you are the statue and other days you are a pigeon"

Colin Day

Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2010, 10:20:25 am »
What a load of rubbish..... As a Porty user myself, I fear that whoever wrote that report is probably jealous and a little bit mental ;D

Peter Sweeney

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2010, 10:26:00 am »
Dave

When the weather clears a bit and I'm around Maidstone I'll come to you and show you.

I have a small to medium TM (23hp) and a Ninja 400. You can try both and see for yourself.

Pete

Joe H

Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2010, 11:08:07 am »
Obviously written by someone who uses a portable and this is his sales pitch.  A lot of his negatives in his spiel are actually positives - always 2 sides to a story.

I have one of the smaller truckmounts - a Prowler 15hp - and one of the most powerful portables available on the UK market - a 3 vac Scorpion.

I am very happy to use both, and do - horses for courses as Pete said.

One costs twice as much as the other. A couple of years ago I was asking is one really worth twice as much as the other.

All I am going to say is...... you keep in touch with Pete and take him up on his offer and try his Ninja and his TM.
Anyone else near a cleaner with a good portable and a TM I suggest you make contact and ask can you see the difference yourself.
I'm north Cheshire - between Manchester and Liverpool - anyone?

Mike Halliday

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2010, 11:16:50 am »
this sentence in the middle says it all

No matter which carpet cleaning company you choose or the methods they use, they will always claim that their process reigns supreme

in a long winded way his full write up says this.

 like Joe says he uses a portable so is selling what he uses. I think it is an excellent piece of copy-writing and if I used a portable I would print it off and learn it word for word

I have a very philosophical outlook on things like this, he is a carpet cleaner just like us trying to feed his family, he has to say what will bring in work to put food on the table.

Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2010, 11:26:15 am »
I think the term "trained operator" is the most relevant point here. No matter if TM or porty an untrained operator is of no use to anyone.
Whilst on a training course a while ago I did as some suggest have a go with a TM. The "suck" is phenomenal (spell checked) even compared to a triple vac. The article suggest's the use of 1000psi to clean carpets; how many are daft enough to do that?
I have to say I aspire to a TM eventually, but only for the speed. We will all have seen the end result of a poorly used TM or Porty, the difference being the poorly trained operator useing the machine.

Adi

Doug Holloway

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2010, 11:36:50 am »
Hi Guys

As soon as I looked at the length of the article I knew it would be full of unscientific bull ::)

The sad thing from his point of view is as well as a tenuous grip on carpet cleaning, very few customers would read something as long and boring.

As Pete has suggested the best way to see the difference is by spending a few hours with a TM user.

Cheers
Doug

Mark Lawrence

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2010, 12:00:16 pm »
What a load of tosh ::)

He dam well knows he's talking rubbish but like has already been said, just using it for marketing.

The only thing is though he is trying to make out it is scientific and whoever reads it could actually believe the high level of bull >:(

This will damage TM users in his area which is a bit underhand, I feel he should be concentrating on just the benefits of his own system (which is just as effective) - which is surely more ethical.

I would love one of his custys to catch him out by his claims - now that would be funny ;D

Mark

p.s. he promotes using LM. So he's a muck spreader then :) Wow that really is going to clean better than anything then isnt it ::)

Derek_Walker

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2010, 12:19:31 pm »
Peronally I would not use this negative type of advertising, better to concentrate on the benefits of the system you have. Also I use a combination of different types of machinery to clean carpets depending on conditions, ease of use etc. So to knock any other system would be shooting myself in the foot.
As far as truckmount power is concerned, come on, there is no comparison, truckmount wins hands down.
If you want to buy a truckmount, do not buy it because you want to get a better clean, a porty will give you the same result but take slightly longer.
 Look at the type of work you undertake and see if having a truckmount will benefit your business not just because you aspire to having one.
Having a helper with you will speed up your work rate when using a porty.

Colin Day

Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2010, 12:26:36 pm »
Spot on Derek, negative promoting comes accross as desparate!

Ken Wainwright

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2010, 12:37:27 pm »
Spheroids :-X

The Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

carpetworx

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2010, 12:46:14 pm »
What a load of cods wallup.

paul moss

Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2010, 12:54:41 pm »
Really not worth commenting on. ;D

Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2010, 01:02:23 pm »
Spheroids :-X

The Ken

At a complete tangent Ken's comment reminded me of a lovely story about WS Churchill.

A report was sent into his office and in the margin (obviously thinking the report was worthless) one of his young thrusting secretaries, in trying to be clever, had written "round objects".

When the report came out of Winston's office he had added a further comment below:

"Yes. But who is "Round" and why does he "Object"?      ;D ;D
Diplomacy: the art of letting other people have your way

Simon@arenaclean

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2010, 01:06:21 pm »
20 to 40 gallons water left in the carpet, what a muppet! A new portable was right for my business in 2009, it suits my situation and my customer base and was needed, otherwise it would of been a TM.

nevil

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Re: Is this true? Misconseptions of Truckmounts
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2010, 01:14:34 pm »
It reminds me of Mikes comment on heaters or lack of them. The people that claim they are not so great are the ones that don't have them. Another coincidence.

The guy doesn't seem to realize there's  difference between airflow and air pressure/vacuum level. Or understand the relationship between the two.