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david willis

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FWC Blog
« on: October 14, 2009, 10:56:02 am »
I would like to thank Karl Robinson for his time at the show and for showcasing our stand/services on his blogspot www.robinson-solutions.blogspot.com

I have linked it in for all to see and will welcome any feedback/suggestions for our new passport, we are launching the product at Windex 2010 and feel it is going to meet every window cleaner/companies and clients needs.

http://www.cleaning43.com/latest-news/latest-news-article.php?latestNewsID=726

The new passport website is www.competencychecker.com , we have used a ex NVQ candidate as an example, type in Hewett or progress


drwindows

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009, 11:38:06 am »
Am i correct in saying that the NVQ doesnt actually teach you anything, its just an assessment of your skills?

tomy jackson

Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 11:54:36 am »
it teches you on all sorts of things but it dont show you how to clean your windows thay assume you all redy kow how

david willis

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2009, 11:55:40 am »
You will find that usually this is the case and the reason for this is the training provider is cutting corners

We deliver 3 training days which the training is totally based on window cleaning and not how to clean a window!....the training is very informative and we haven't had one person attend so far and go away not benefiting or learning something new, ask people from the forum who have attended.

Once the training is complete we then carry out some on-site assessments and on the basis the candidate is meeting the standard we apply for their level 2 qualification.


drwindows

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2009, 11:59:22 am »
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You will find that usually this is the case and the reason for this is the training provider is cutting corners

We deliver 3 training days which the training is totally based on window cleaning and not how to clean a window!....the training is very informative and we haven't had one person attend so far and go away not benefiting or learning something new, ask people from the forum who have attended.

Once the training is complete we then carry out some on-site assessments and on the basis the candidate is meeting the standard we apply for their level 2 qualification.

So, have you ever been a window cleaner then?

david willis

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2009, 12:03:48 pm »
it teches you on all sorts of things but it dont show you how to clean your windows thay assume you all redy kow how

This is correct in some ways and thank you for your input (from a previous attending candidate), we have had a couple of candidates who did not know how to use the squeege properly due to them doing just WFP work, we did help them with this and offered them some further practical training.

Also due to alot of candidates not having the basic certification for Ladders, WFP (not a requirement) and they wanted to add this to their training portfolio we have held some successful 1 day courses which covered the two above items and also helped them in the completion of their NVQ, especially when they struggled to find a suitable venue for the assessment

drwindows

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2009, 12:08:39 pm »
since you have ignored my question, i'll ask it again. 
What actual experience of being a window cleaner do you have?

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the training is totally based on window cleaning and not how to clean a window!

So its not actually training for window cleaning then?

tomy jackson

Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 12:10:02 pm »
and because thay dont tech you how im still on port holes  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

david willis

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2009, 12:11:36 pm »
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You will find that usually this is the case and the reason for this is the training provider is cutting corners

We deliver 3 training days which the training is totally based on window cleaning and not how to clean a window!....the training is very informative and we haven't had one person attend so far and go away not benefiting or learning something new, ask people from the forum who have attended.

Once the training is complete we then carry out some on-site assessments and on the basis the candidate is meeting the standard we apply for their level 2 qualification.

So, have you ever been a window cleaner then?

That is a good question and one we always ask other training providers

Hope the following answers your question sufficiently please see the link to our head trainer/assessor

http://www.cleaning43.com/latest-news/latest-news-article.php?latestNewsID=677

drwindows

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2009, 12:19:56 pm »
So you were working for a window cleaning company in 1975.  How many years of actual window cleaning, (I mean YOU actually cleaning the windows yourself, not some management position) have you done?

And, since WFP wasnt around in 1975, how many years of expericence of using WFP for window cleaning do you personally have?

And, i still dont understand what the training is?  If you dont teach how to clean windows, what do you teach?

tomy jackson

Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2009, 12:28:38 pm »
i think your unjustly haveing a go its not abute cleaning windows it how to do it safly ,if you wont to lern how to window clean thers cors for that

drwindows

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2009, 12:32:32 pm »
Im not having a go, i just dont understand!

david willis

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2009, 12:37:56 pm »
Easiest way is to ring our office and speak to me 01205 769032, all questions can be answered


Moderator David@stives

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2009, 12:38:52 pm »
Easiest way would be to answer the question ?

Terry_Burrows

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2009, 01:12:04 pm »
 ;D hand bags at dawn :o
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david willis

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2009, 02:12:44 pm »
So you were working for a window cleaning company in 1975.  How many years of actual window cleaning, (I mean YOU actually cleaning the windows yourself, not some management position) have you done?

And, since WFP wasnt around in 1975, how many years of expericence of using WFP for window cleaning do you personally have?

And, i still dont understand what the training is?  If you dont teach how to clean windows, what do you teach?
RE Trainer reference Andrew Willis
Started window cleaning in 1975 for the Great International Window Cleaning Company
Commercial Window Cleaning
On the tools from 75 – 85
Work included all types of high level window cleaning in mobile elevated work platform, use of Spiders, Bosun chairs, all types of suspended access equipment, was part of a specialist access unit at the time working on a lot of London’s most prestigest properties. During this time acquired training and certification on all areas. 85-90 Lead hand, Supervisor responsible for setting up and controlling new contracts including carrying out risk assessments (2 years before) MHSWR-92 came into force, 90-2000 Management and Director Positions
Career summary

Window Cleaner
Window Cleaning Supervisor
Window Cleaning Management
Daily Office Cleaning Management 
General Manager Suspended Access and High Level Window Cleaning
Company Director Suspended Access and High Level Window Cleaning
Developing a unique system for removing calcium staining from glass

Qualification include
June 1991 City and Guilds 764 1 Cleaning/Science
Feb 1991 BICS Operators Proficiency 1, 2, and 3
June 1991 BICS Appointed Assessor
June 1992 City and Guilds 764 2 Cleaning/Science
Lincs Tec June 1997 Skills Certificate for Development Programme Small Business & Auditing              LM August 2000 Health and Safety Course
C I E H June 2001 Basic Health and Safety Certificate
2003 Working at Height & PPE Inspection course
2003 Fall Arrest Inspection course                                                                 
Various courses working at height awareness and self rescue                                                                        various training for operating mobile elevated work platforms                                                                                     
 2004 Grimsby College NEBOSH Level 3 Certificate in Occupational Health and Safety
2005 Water fed pole course
January 2009 City and Guilds National Vocational A1 Assessor Qualification
Workplace Law 2009 Emergency First Aid   
Water fed pole training CPD refreshed July 2009

Current occupation
Consultant Access and High Level Window Cleaning

Your comment re Water fed pole you are quite correct about practical experience is lacking as poles were not around at the time 

However the trainer is more than qualified to assess the correct controls in setting up a works area and that the operative is operating the pole correctly

IMPACT43 training covers and focuses on
 
Health and safety and being able to identify risk and put controls in place
This includes examples of case law and what happening in the industry when someone gets it wrong
Working at height
The assessments are part of a candidate demonstrating they have the competency to meet the standards set by City and Guilds

On this basis over 300 window cleaners have benefited from this 100% funded training and assessment with the end result being proof of competency (certificate) there is more information on www.training43.com
 
Fortunately some users of this forum have started to put some real commitment into supporting things like the NVQ and developing our industry instead of just picking at the bones of everything. 

As I have taken some time to answer your question perhaps you could supply us with evidence of your competency and training commitments to date.

david willis

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2009, 02:15:12 pm »
;D hand bags at dawn :o

Nice interview on talk sport

Moderator David@stives

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2009, 02:18:34 pm »
Andrew

Good answer


Archer

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2009, 02:26:47 pm »


 ;D ;D ;D

drwindows

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Re: FWC Blog
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2009, 02:41:20 pm »
So just to be clear then, the last time you did any hands-on window cleaning was 24 years ago, and you never used waterfed poles, ever.

No offense, but on that basis I think it could be me teaching you, not the other way around.

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As I have taken some time to answer your question perhaps you could supply us with evidence of your competency and training commitments to date.

LOL new to this forum game aren't you?  I dont have to provide you with anything, since I am not spamming a forum trying to make out that I can train window cleaners when I dont even know how to use waterfed poles.