[Simon Gerrard]

We've been using Hydramaster's new Knock Out 2 part stain remover and it is seriously good on wine stains, provided no one has put vanish or other stain removing products on it.

Simon

[Jason Ryan]

How much for it, is it just wine stains or others also??

Cheers
J

[Simon Gerrard]

Coffee, Wine & dye but particularly effective on wine. It's around £27 + vat, I think.

Simon

[Karl Wildey]

similar stuff to chem spec, but not only cheaper but a with mixing bottle, I like the idea and will get some

[craigp]

Simon have you spotted Hydramaster's error on the mix bottle the colour does not co-odinate ie. the blue you think should go in the blue and black in black, but the blue solution A and but the mix bottle Blue solution B.

Numbs Nuts gonna have to tell them, because it nearly made me top into the wrong ones

Craig

[craigp]

See what I mean..

It is good stuff, I posted a topic a year or so ago saying the same, gets red wine off wool 100% !! but only if its a regular customer whom knows better than to attempt themselfs in which case they set it and it does not work.

[derek west]

trouble with hydramaster spotter bottles, (the ones in the kit anyway) the printed plastic labels come off on your hands, really annoying.
is it the same for all spotter bottles.
derek

[Mike Halliday]

Are  you not just paying for the convenience of an expensive mixer bottle, after all this is just a bleaching agent with an Ammonia Accelerator, you can do this yourself with the base chemicals.

Mike

[Karl Wildey]

At that price and considering what we charge per hour it aint worth the hassle

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

The big advantage of mixing your own bleaching agents is that you have a fresh soution, which will be more effective.

It also helps you to build upo knowledge of oxidising and reducing.

Cheers

Doug

[Simon Gerrard]

Leave it to the professionals, I say.
We all complain about people hiring DIY machines, isn't that just the same, amateurs doing a professionals job?

Simon

[Mike Halliday]

most of the 'professionals' actually sell these products separately so as Doug said you can mix it fresh as you need it   plus the base chemicals have other uses

I guess HMs thinks its customers are a bit thick and cannot be trusted to mix it properly, so sell this product

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Simon, it depends on how knowledgeable about stain removal you wish to become.

For many they are quite happy to use off the shelf products, others like to become more expert and to understand what is going on, thereby making it more likely they will remove the stain.

There are of course risks with mixing chemicals if you don't understand what you are doing.

Cheers

Doug

[Simon Gerrard]

Doug,
Which is why you should leave it to the professionals.
I remember doing an NCCA spotting course with Derek Bolton and because the NCCA wouldn't recommend any proprietary product, he took us through a whole day of using raw chemicals of one description or another and made the whole subject mind bogglingly complicated and spent very little time teaching the practical steps in spot and stain removal, which I thought was a joke.

Suggesting that people, some of whom have very little experience, play around with various chemicals and mix their own is in my view irresponsible and potentially calamitous. There are a whole catalogue of specially developed, tried and tested products on the market today that will remove practically every type of stain from a carpet, so why take unnecessary risks, seems a bit silly to me.

Simon

[Joe H]

To a great extent I am in agreement with Simon - I, personally, would much rather reach for a product in a bottle that has been tried and tested by others.  By far the simple way.

However, I appreciate some like to dabble themselves into the make up and as long as this is done in a controlled situation ie not on the custys carpet or upholstery.  When sufficient "practice has made perfect" then you can go onto doing the custys jobs.

[derek west]

i totally agree with simon, which is unbelievable when ya think about it

i don't consider myself thick just cos i pay extra for the finished product in a bottle from hydramaster.

derek

[Glynn]

The reason for the twin spray bottle isn't because HM thinks were all to thick to mix it correctly it's so the two ingredients don't have to be mixed because they have a shelf life once they are mixed, so having a spray bottle that draws from two  containers and mixes at the head prevents it going off.
Personally I think it's an excellent idea.

[Simon Gerrard]

Derek,

I'm going to frame that reply

Simon

[derek west]

 
be worth something in a couple years that will.
derek

[Simon Gerrard]

What do you mean in a couple of years, it's worth something now. A fly past of the Red Arrows at the very least.

Simon