[elite mike]

With wfp you could have cleaned 2 houses faster than me on my ladders but by the time you have refilled or moved vehicle i would have caught you up so how can it be so much faster

believe me birdy i used to think like you

then i tried it and after there was no going back

even though i still do a bit trad

there is no doubt  in my mind its much faster

[rosskesava]

I tried wfp for a while and found it to be constant hassle both in terms of complaints and equipment problems. After a few weeks I then had permanent neck ache to add to it all.

The last straw was when I was cleaning the windows of a 1st floor flat and the lady on the ground floor complained about the water on her recently cleaned windows. I offered to go over her windows for nothing as it would take minutes but then the lady on the 1st went nuts because she was then paying for her windows to be cleaned whereas the lady downstairs wasn't.

All I could do was pack my gear up and walk away but as I was collapsing my 6 week old pole one of the clamps snapped. That was the 3rd time and I just decided there and then that wfp was too stressfull and not for me.

So I went back to cleaning windows trad style with a difference. I mainly clean the windows of the super rich. Thank god for gg4.

I was also suprised just how many seriously wealthy people had had their windows cleaned previously using wfp and would only have their windows done trad style in future.

Cheers

[gary999]

I tried wfp for a while and found it to be constant hassle both in terms of complaints and equipment problems. After a few weeks I then had permanent neck ache to add to it all.

The last straw was when I was cleaning the windows of a 1st floor flat and the lady on the ground floor complained about the water on her recently cleaned windows. I offered to go over her windows for nothing as it would take minutes but then the lady on the 1st went nuts because she was then paying for her windows to be cleaned whereas the lady downstairs wasn't.

All I could do was pack my gear up and walk away but as I was collapsing my 6 week old pole one of the clamps snapped. That was the 3rd time and I just decided there and then that wfp was too stressfull and not for me.

So I went back to cleaning windows trad style with a difference. I mainly clean the windows of the super rich. Thank god for gg4.

I was also suprised just how many seriously wealthy people had had their windows cleaned previously using wfp and would only have their windows done trad style in future.

Cheers

the weather mans back

[dave.e]

don,t ya love posts like this  keep them coming lads we will get to the bottom off it soon

[birdymiller]

With wfp you could have cleaned 2 houses faster than me on my ladders but by the time you have refilled or moved vehicle i would have caught you up so how can it be so much faster

believe me birdy i used to think like you

then i tried it and after there was no going back

even though i still do a bit trad

there is no doubt  in my mind its much faster

Ive done both and i must be a very fast trad cleaner cos wfp isnt loads faster than me. Clean tops of frames then side of frames then scrub glass then give a couple of really good rinses then couple of quick sweeps of the cills as opposed to couple of mops up and a quick blade of and cill gets a wipe. Even if you dont do all frames wfp it still takes just as long to clean a houses when you take into account moving reeling tangling. Wfp has a place but dont make out to all these new guys that havnt tried it, it will be a breeze and they will be able to earn loads more because wfp is so fast.

[rosskesava]

   

the weather mans back

Hi Gary. Yes, I'm still passionate about the weather. As for being back, I've never really been gone. I moved from Brighton to London - to Whitechapel in the East End which is nothing other than a litter ridden, rude, filthy dirty cess pit dump of a place that bears absolutely no resemblance whatsoever in the slighest microscopic way to the TV soap.

The problem was I had some good work in Brighton which rapidly escalated and I ended up doing 15 hours days. It wasn't the work, it was the driving - 6 hours a day 4 to 6 days a week so by the time I got to look on the pc, that's all I used to do.

I've just bought a flat in Brighton so I'll be an unusual window cleaner in that I've got 2 homes and work in both areas.

That's another thing about wfp, around here (Whitechapel), using wfp is nothing but a nightmare because of parking problems and getting near the property. The wardens usually claim not to speak English and are rotweilers plus you get tickets issued by camera. At least a ladder can be carried a few hundred yards.

Cheers

[LWC]

Yes but moving from top windows to next to next in an instance, not positioning ladder going up coming down moving etc.

Not knocking trad, i did it for long enough lol. just saying it is quiker with pole. Far quicker.

[elite mike]

With wfp you could have cleaned 2 houses faster than me on my ladders but by the time you have refilled or moved vehicle i would have caught you up so how can it be so much faster

believe me birdy i used to think like you

then i tried it and after there was no going back

even though i still do a bit trad

there is no doubt  in my mind its much faster

Ive done both and i must be a very fast trad cleaner cos wfp isnt loads faster than me. Clean tops of frames then side of frames then scrub glass then give a couple of really good rinses then couple of quick sweeps of the cills as opposed to couple of mops up and a quick blade of and cill gets a wipe. Even if you dont do all frames wfp it still takes just as long to clean a houses when you take into account moving reeling tangling. Wfp has a place but dont make out to all these new guys that havnt tried it, it will be a breeze and they will be able to earn loads more because wfp is so fast.

hi birdy

over the course of say 3 months you will find you are not behind with your work

and then you realise perhaps its worth all the hassle

even with all the hose tangling  

perhaps i should of said safer instead of quicker, both apply

you are welcome to come along with me for a day or two

i will not try to convert you but show you how i work

and i have been doing this job over 28 years

regards

mike  

[birdymiller]

This is my very point mike, the biggest positive of wfp is the safety factor. From there things go downhill. Thanks for the offer but after dabbling with the pole for the past year i am confident where it works on my rounds and where it is a hindrance. In 28 years you must have seen alot of change in this business?

[macmac]

dazmond

With a TDS of 35 you DO NOT need to consider a RO unit, a DI only system will be fine. That's a lot less hassle to begin with. A twin ( 2 x DI vessels ) is the most economic way to go with a DI only system. It couldn't be more simpler for you to set a whole system up from scratch without the need for an RO.

People will argue all day about the pros & cons of WFP. The truth is, it's a very good method, with the right equipment & used in the right circumstances BUT it's not a total solution. It will clean some windows perfect & others far from. It will be twice faster than trad on some work but slower on others, there is just no black or white with WFP I'm affraid.

You will soon work out which work benefits from WFP & which doesn't, use it to your advantage where you can & trad the rest, it's as simple as that, like con' roofs- you'll never trad one again!


Do not be conned into buying an RO though, trust me, you do not need one. If you do go wfp, I'll give you all the info you need on setting a twin DI system up, it's very simple!

[elite mike]

This is my very point mike, the biggest positive of wfp is the safety factor. From there things go downhill. Thanks for the offer but after dabbling with the pole for the past year i am confident where it works on my rounds and where it is a hindrance. In 28 years you must have seen alot of change in this business?

tell me about it :

there are part of my rounds where i still use the ladder

i just use what ever suit s the job

but i do prefer the pole system over all

and luckily so do the custys  

[birdymiller]

dazmond

With a TDS of 35 you DO NOT need to consider a RO unit, a DI only system will be fine. That's a lot less hassle to begin with. A twin ( 2 x DI vessels ) is the most economic way to go with a DI only system. It couldn't be more simpler for you to set a whole system up from scratch without the need for an RO.

People will argue all day about the pros & cons of WFP. The truth is, it's a very good method, with the right equipment & used in the right circumstances BUT it's not a total solution. It will clean some windows perfect & others far from. It will be twice faster than trad on some work but slower on others, there is just no black or white with WFP I'm affraid.

You will soon work out which work benefits from WFP & which doesn't, use it to your advantage where you can & trad the rest, it's as simple as that, like con' roofs- you'll never trad one again!


Do not be conned into buying an RO though, trust me, you do not need one. If you do go wfp, I'll give you all the info you need on setting a twin DI system up, it's very simple!

I didnt know the guys tds at the time i suggested him getting a cheap ro, maybe you werent referring to me but trust me this is the point of my posts so that more shiners are not conned into the wonderful speed of wfp

[macmac]

dazmond

With a TDS of 35 you DO NOT need to consider a RO unit, a DI only system will be fine. That's a lot less hassle to begin with. A twin ( 2 x DI vessels ) is the most economic way to go with a DI only system. It couldn't be more simpler for you to set a whole system up from scratch without the need for an RO.

People will argue all day about the pros & cons of WFP. The truth is, it's a very good method, with the right equipment & used in the right circumstances BUT it's not a total solution. It will clean some windows perfect & others far from. It will be twice faster than trad on some work but slower on others, there is just no black or white with WFP I'm affraid.

You will soon work out which work benefits from WFP & which doesn't, use it to your advantage where you can & trad the rest, it's as simple as that, like con' roofs- you'll never trad one again!


Do not be conned into buying an RO though, trust me, you do not need one. If you do go wfp, I'll give you all the info you need on setting a twin DI system up, it's very simple!

I didnt know the guys tds at the time i suggested him getting a cheap ro, maybe you werent referring to me but trust me this is the point of my posts so that more shiners are not conned into the wonderful speed of wfp

No, not reffering to you birdy but there are many (who haven't a clue) who would advise he get an RO!

Actually, I agree with many of your points, It's the magic wand syndrome!

[birdymiller]

Cheers mac. I have work that i couldnt do on my own unless i had wfp, it definately has its place and until something comes along that allows you to clean from the ground that can clean every window to a good standard, you dont waste loads of water, you never have to refill or move your van and you never get tangled it will be of use.

[elite mike]

Cheers mac. I have work that i couldnt do on my own unless i had wfp, it definately has its place and until something comes along that allows you to clean from the ground that can clean every window to a good standard, you dont waste loads of water, you never have to refill or move your van and you never get tangled it will be of use.

now i would be interested in that 

[cybersye]

If my round consisted of bungalows and 3 bed semis without conservatories and all easily reached windows from a two section ladder then I would never have bothered with wfp.
However its not, and the reason I have most of my work is because I can safely and easily clean very high windows and difficult buildings that a trad cleaner could not do. And for that reason the work I have commands a higher price and takes me less time and means I work less hours to achieve the same wage.
 The downside though is that wfp has meant a hefty investment for me. A decent van, the initial cost of all the equipment and its maintenance, water bills, more in diesel etc. add to that the fact I live in a first floor flat in a road with parking in serious demand and no dedicated parking space being wfp has'nt chilled me out but it has given me the opportunity to become self employed and earn and build a round far quicker than i would have done trad.

[leapstallbuildings]

yes, probably, although I started wfp but learnt trad skills since. You only have to read the posts on here each evening to realise wfp brings with it a whole list of things to go wrong or break, whens the last time you heard of a ladder snapping in half or someone with a hole in their bucket ? lol.  

Funny you should mention it but a W/C nearly died near me a few years ago because his ladder broke.  It was an old piece of rubbish that should have been thrown away years before.
As for the question of "was life more chilled before WFP?".  Yes it was but only because I couldn't afford to put the heating on   

[Londoner]

Ladders don't last for ever. I have never seen it but I have heard of metal rungs developing cracks.

[Small but perfectley formed]

WFP is much more stressful , but when your brother has fallen off ladders next to you 2 weeks off work an constant pain, you relise the benefits,SAFETY FIRST!

[Dean Taberner]

I was alot slimmer before wfp

Dean