[MJCleaning]

Main bulk of our work wfp & Office Cleaning - now have a number of entranceways/stairs to flats that we have to c/clean. I have portable extraction and have used multi pro & fabric & fibre rinse ( 10 years ago)., am I on the right line or  is there something else that wd make a better job?
Any c/cleaner want advice on Wfp??

Any help much apprecited.

Mark

[MJCleaning]

Any comments pls  - hope to order chemicals today if poss!

Thanks
Mark

[John Kelly]

Those chemicals are still good and will do the job.

[Darren O]

Wouldnt bother with the Fibre and Fibre rinse better trying something like Chemspec F90.

[Gary Webber]

Any good Traffic Film Remover will do. Don't put detergent in your machine though, stick to what you were doing with the Fabric & Fibre Rinse! (alkali & acid)

Regards

Gary

[Darren O]

Nonsense detergent is fine in your machine.

[MJCleaning]

Thanks for advice - some t/lane - F90 it  is then !

Cheers
Mark

[Gary Webber]

Darren,

Detergent is fine in your machine if you are using a final spray of acidic rinse to mist the carpets. The dergents though block the solution hoses and clog valves over a period of time, as well as leaving a residue within the carpet. Most pros are on pre-spray agitate and rinse

Gary

[Gary Webber]

Mark,

Why would you go away from your original working pattern. Laying down a traffic lane spray and then rinsing through is considered standard procedure by a lot of people. Using a high Ph traffic lane (10 or so)and then adding Formula 90 Ph 9.5-10.5 wouldn't be the way to go. Think about the results of high alkalinity from this in a wool carpet. If unsure, check with people like the N.C.C.A.

Regards

Gary

[Darren O]

Gary since ive started carpet cleaning ive always used detergents and never had any of the above problems F90 at the correct dilution rate is ok to use on wool  i normally put about 40-50ml in 50 litres of water in my machine and always get great results if detergents were so bad for carpets why do Prochem,chemspec,hydramaster still make them.

[Joe H]

I stopped putting powdered detergents in my tank years ago.
I had no personal experiance of this, but a lot on the forums were saying it can in time clog the pump, so it became a no no for me.

[dave123]

Depends on the powder Ashby's now do powders with scale inhibitors to eleviate the problem.

[dave123]

I also agree with Darren .Been using powders for the last ten years no problem .

[Gary Webber]

Darren,
Of course detergents do a great job and companies make them. If you want to go ahead and put them in your machine then fine! But from a professional point of view, if you intend to keep a client for a long time and you were to pump ph10 prespray into a carpet and then a ph9-10 detergent into the carpet THINK of the long term effect.

If you dont give two monkeys ignore my post.

Go speak to people like Prochem or the NCCA and ask them the recommended procedures.

Gary

[Darren O]

Gary ive got loads of repeat customers who keep coming back to me so i must be doing something right if F90 was bad for carpets Chemspec wouldnt recomend it to use on wool this is just another myth like detergents leave a sticky residue on carpets total nonsense also i only use liquids in my machine.

[Gary Webber]

Darren,
What is the recovery rate of your machine? approx 65-80% of everything you put into a carpet. So each time lets say you leave 30% of detergent in the carpet. The carpet we will say is an 80/20 wool twist pile. The wool is acid base and needs to be left with limited alkalinity. You have been back to a customer we will say once a year for 3-4 years and you have left a carpet with 30% alkalinity each time. What is the long term effect on that carpet?

I would read up on the Ph scale and the long term effects of alkalinity on fibres such  as wool over a period. Again it all depends upon what you do over time. I have recently taken over the contract on a number of property lets. Before starting I have carried out ph tests and found the carpet dyes to be"loose" with quite a mild ph agent. I have since found out that the previous cleaner was detergent only and very high ph.

This is a business where we are results driven. We want the best results for the client but at what price? Surely you can see that the idea is to place an agent ahead via pre-spray and agitate. This will loosen the soil with a dwell time and use the machine just as an extraction machine. The word Extraction means purely that, the machine SHOULD be used to then pull away the soil and rinse any detergent/soil away    Gary

[Darren O]

Gary that all sounds well and good if it was an empty house and nobody was walking on the carpet what about all the damage the customers are doing to the carpets traffic lanes spills ect and what about heat and aggitation acording to some that does just as much damage as chemicals at the end of the day its a dirty carpet and the dilution rates iam using i dont see any problems.

[Gary Webber]

Darren,

Just to put things in perspective, can you tell me how long you have been in business and what training youv'e had?

Gary

[Darren O]

Doing it 5 years done the Prochem course as i got it free when i bought my machine Gary have you ever used F90 at less than 5ml per 5 litres or are you just quoting stats of a website.When i started i used to use F&F to rinse after using multi pro or traffic clean as i was told on training course its all right on lightly soiled carpets but on anything else its crap now i use big bad things like F90 or Double Clean on some wool carpets i still use Chemspec One Clean all depends on the job i dont do things by the book now i no what works for me and iam usually busy.

[Darren O]

The best thing about Fibre And Fabric Rinse is the smell.