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chris@c.m.s

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Re: how much?
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2009, 12:51:12 am »
3 hours labour then just over £25 per hour, sounds about right to me for con roofs, that's why I hate them tell me it wasn't harder work than windows  ;D. Nice job though. 
Sussex by the sea

Nathanael Jones

  • Posts: 5596
Re: how much?
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2009, 10:45:56 am »
Thats one is bigger tho Bertie,.. the first on is only 2 sides & the roof,.. and its a bit smaller too?

Window Washers

  • Posts: 9036
Re: how much?
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2009, 11:07:33 am »
Why do people charge the same price for a one off job or maybe yearly/6monthly

Con roof are a pain in the back side and should be priced above what your hourly rates are for standard window cleaning IMO.
Who ever is doing them for £20 a pop I have about 15 you can do for me
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

simon knight

Re: how much?
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2009, 11:40:01 am »
Why do people charge the same price for a one off job or maybe yearly/6monthly

Con roof are a pain in the back side and should be priced above what your hourly rates are for standard window cleaning IMO.
Who ever is doing them for £20 a pop I have about 15 you can do for me

I think conservatory roofs are a bad example because if left for a year or 2 they do get to be a pain to bring up to scratch. For the cons roof as show I would do it for £20 provided it was an integral part of a regular whole house clean.

As a one-off yes I agree charge your hourly rate and a bit more...but not to the point where it's going into rip-off territory.

Window Washers

  • Posts: 9036
Re: how much?
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2009, 11:46:23 am »
Why do people charge the same price for a one off job or maybe yearly/6monthly

Con roof are a pain in the back side and should be priced above what your hourly rates are for standard window cleaning IMO.
Who ever is doing them for £20 a pop I have about 15 you can do for me

I think conservatory roofs are a bad example because if left for a year or 2 they do get to be a pain to bring up to scratch. For the cons roof as show I would do it for £20 provided it was an integral part of a regular whole house clean.

As a one-off yes I agree charge your hourly rate and a bit more...but not to the point where it's going into rip-off territory.
agree that £20 regular maybe even £15 but first clean quite a bit more
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

SonOfFormby

  • Posts: 409
Re: how much?
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2009, 12:07:49 pm »
Just got back from doing one this morning exactly the same, £45 inc once over on the glass which was clean anyway, about 1 1/2 hrs work.

Lee

simon knight

Re: how much?
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2009, 12:59:26 pm »
Why do people charge the same price for a one off job or maybe yearly/6monthly

Con roof are a pain in the back side and should be priced above what your hourly rates are for standard window cleaning IMO.
Who ever is doing them for £20 a pop I have about 15 you can do for me

I think conservatory roofs are a bad example because if left for a year or 2 they do get to be a pain to bring up to scratch. For the cons roof as show I would do it for £20 provided it was an integral part of a regular whole house clean.

As a one-off yes I agree charge your hourly rate and a bit more...but not to the point where it's going into rip-off territory.


What’s ripping of territory?

Assuming you're over 14 Ewan I'm sure you're asking a rhetorical question...but if you're not here's my definition of a rip-off merchant:

Taking advantage of people who haven't checked out prices and therefore have no clue as to what is an acceptable/going rate for the job and therefore charging way over-the-odds or whatever you feel you can get away with.


simon knight

Re: how much?
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2009, 01:12:03 pm »
Why do people charge the same price for a one off job or maybe yearly/6monthly

Con roof are a pain in the back side and should be priced above what your hourly rates are for standard window cleaning IMO.
Who ever is doing them for £20 a pop I have about 15 you can do for me

I think conservatory roofs are a bad example because if left for a year or 2 they do get to be a pain to bring up to scratch. For the cons roof as show I would do it for £20 provided it was an integral part of a regular whole house clean.

As a one-off yes I agree charge your hourly rate and a bit more...but not to the point where it's going into rip-off territory.


What’s ripping of territory?

Assuming you're over 14 Ewan I'm sure you're asking a rhetorical question...but if you're not here's my definition of a rip-off merchant:

Taking advantage of people who haven't checked out prices and therefore have no clue as to what is an acceptable/going rate for the job and therefore charging way over-the-odds or whatever you feel you can get away with.



Should haved added it normally happens to the old and also to guileless people.

GWCS

Re: how much?
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2009, 02:08:18 pm »
Why do people charge the same price for a one off job or maybe yearly/6monthly

Con roof are a pain in the back side and should be priced above what your hourly rates are for standard window cleaning IMO.
Who ever is doing them for £20 a pop I have about 15 you can do for me

I think conservatory roofs are a bad example because if left for a year or 2 they do get to be a pain to bring up to scratch. For the cons roof as show I would do it for £20 provided it was an integral part of a regular whole house clean.

As a one-off yes I agree charge your hourly rate and a bit more...but not to the point where it's going into rip-off territory.


What’s ripping of territory?

Assuming you're over 14 Ewan I'm sure you're asking a rhetorical question...but if you're not here's my definition of a rip-off merchant:

Taking advantage of people who haven't checked out prices and therefore have no clue as to what is an acceptable/going rate for the job and therefore charging way over-the-odds or whatever you feel you can get away with.



Should haved added it normally happens to the old and also to guileless people.

er did you price check about 5 guys when it came to fixing your leak?

How do you know you got the cheapest price?

I could have done that for a fiver!  ::)


simon knight

Re: how much?
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2009, 02:38:41 pm »
Why do people charge the same price for a one off job or maybe yearly/6monthly

Con roof are a pain in the back side and should be priced above what your hourly rates are for standard window cleaning IMO.
Who ever is doing them for £20 a pop I have about 15 you can do for me

I think conservatory roofs are a bad example because if left for a year or 2 they do get to be a pain to bring up to scratch. For the cons roof as show I would do it for £20 provided it was an integral part of a regular whole house clean.

As a one-off yes I agree charge your hourly rate and a bit more...but not to the point where it's going into rip-off territory.


What’s ripping of territory?

Assuming you're over 14 Ewan I'm sure you're asking a rhetorical question...but if you're not here's my definition of a rip-off merchant:

Taking advantage of people who haven't checked out prices and therefore have no clue as to what is an acceptable/going rate for the job and therefore charging way over-the-odds or whatever you feel you can get away with.



Should haved added it normally happens to the old and also to guileless people.

er did you price check about 5 guys when it came to fixing your leak?

How do you know you got the cheapest price?

I could have done that for a fiver!  ::)



No I didn't. But the leak needed to be fixed asap and the guy I used I had used before so knew that he was sensibly priced...he charged £80 for 1 1/2 hrs..which i though perfectly acceptable.

However: If I'd used a plumber from yellow pages and he had charged £200 (£133ph) for his work and i had then subsequently found that the going rate was nearer £50ph then I would have felt ripped-off because the yellow pages guy, being a professional, must have known, roughly, what the going rate was and was merely taking advantage of the fact that I obviously hadn't a clue.

Clearly, in our yellow pages plumber example, had I checked around I would have found the £50ph guys and Mr £200 would have been shooed away. He was therefore quoting £200 simply because he hoped I'd in all innocence agree to his price because I had no benchmark to compare.

You don't get ripped-off in supermarkets because there is a visible benchmark on prices. OK Waitrose are more pricey than Asda but you go in with your eyes wide open.

As I said, it's not a question of being expensive, more a question of charging way over the odds purely because the guileless customer takes your word that this is the going rate for a given job. And that in my view is the rip-off!


Window Washers

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Re: how much?
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2009, 02:53:30 pm »
Why do people charge the same price for a one off job or maybe yearly/6monthly

Con roof are a pain in the back side and should be priced above what your hourly rates are for standard window cleaning IMO.
Who ever is doing them for £20 a pop I have about 15 you can do for me

I think conservatory roofs are a bad example because if left for a year or 2 they do get to be a pain to bring up to scratch. For the cons roof as show I would do it for £20 provided it was an integral part of a regular whole house clean.

As a one-off yes I agree charge your hourly rate and a bit more...but not to the point where it's going into rip-off territory.


What’s ripping of territory?

Assuming you're over 14 Ewan I'm sure you're asking a rhetorical question...but if you're not here's my definition of a rip-off merchant:

Taking advantage of people who haven't checked out prices and therefore have no clue as to what is an acceptable/going rate for the job and therefore charging way over-the-odds or whatever you feel you can get away with.


Simon, I am not flaming you, but have to say that when I price I do so at the price I want for the job so it covers staffing costs me included ) equipment etc etc, we are not the cheapest window cleaners around but just because people charge lower does not mean the ones that charge higher are ripping people off it could well mean the lower priced are under selling there business. If the job is done correctly is should (for me does) command a higher price.
I understand if someone charges £1000 to clean a con roof, that would be a rip off, but ranging from say £40 to £100 is not a rip off at all for say a 8 panel roof, some run a business to make money some run a business to pay bills.....Again it is a choice thing some IMO make the wrong choice in pricing but it does not affect me as they are add on jobs anyway.
If every person that was charging low on con roofs added £5 it would be good for them and would make them more, I would surgest people try this next time, if you are charging £80 min Then it would be a little tricky but not impossible.


I charge con roof jobs at double window cleaning rate PH, I get the work so seems to work. Working for the same money for standard windows is madness IMO if you get it wrong your costing yourself (exceptions do happen when you get it totally wrong I admit but charging the same is a NO NO)
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

GWCS

Re: how much?
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2009, 05:24:38 pm »
Why do people charge the same price for a one off job or maybe yearly/6monthly

Con roof are a pain in the back side and should be priced above what your hourly rates are for standard window cleaning IMO.
Who ever is doing them for £20 a pop I have about 15 you can do for me

I think conservatory roofs are a bad example because if left for a year or 2 they do get to be a pain to bring up to scratch. For the cons roof as show I would do it for £20 provided it was an integral part of a regular whole house clean.

As a one-off yes I agree charge your hourly rate and a bit more...but not to the point where it's going into rip-off territory.


What’s ripping of territory?

Assuming you're over 14 Ewan I'm sure you're asking a rhetorical question...but if you're not here's my definition of a rip-off merchant:

Taking advantage of people who haven't checked out prices and therefore have no clue as to what is an acceptable/going rate for the job and therefore charging way over-the-odds or whatever you feel you can get away with.



Should haved added it normally happens to the old and also to guileless people.

er did you price check about 5 guys when it came to fixing your leak?

How do you know you got the cheapest price?

I could have done that for a fiver!  ::)



No I didn't. But the leak needed to be fixed asap and the guy I used I had used before so knew that he was sensibly priced...he charged £80 for 1 1/2 hrs..which i though perfectly acceptable. Exacltly, my customer ask me to do it cos they know the job will be done properly, and they know im good for my price. There are dearer people, there are also cheaper people, but you pay what you happy to pay for.

However: If I'd used a plumber from yellow pages and he had charged £200 (£133ph) for his work and i had then subsequently found that the going rate was nearer £50ph then I would have felt ripped-off because the yellow pages guy, being a professional, must have known, roughly, what the going rate was and was merely taking advantage of the fact that I obviously hadn't a clue.

Clearly, in our yellow pages plumber example, had I checked around I would have found the £50ph guys and Mr £200 would have been shooed away. He was therefore quoting £200 simply because he hoped I'd in all innocence agree to his price because I had no benchmark to compare.

You don't get ripped-off in supermarkets because there is a visible benchmark on prices. OK Waitrose are more pricey than Asda but you go in with your eyes wide open. Dispite knowing the prices, i choose to shop at tesco cos its a better place to shop for me personally. I dont like asda, morrisons, or saisnburys. Regardless of price i shop where i like to shop. Not everything in life is about money. Personally i dont choose to price hunt, i choose an easy life, much like many customers of mine.

As I said, it's not a question of being expensive, more a question of charging way over the odds purely because the guileless customer takes your word that this is the going rate for a given job. And that in my view is the rip-off!

£80 is perfectly ok for a conny of that size, going from a lot of peoples pricing - so in effect that can be a going rate. Remember im after better payers who are happy to pay a little more, i dont go to every quote to get it. If they dont want to pay it, they can and will go elsewhere. But its no way a rip off charge, im not charging them £200!




simon knight

Re: how much?
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2009, 05:43:59 pm »

Guys, Guys, Guys..I'm not looking to get into a row over this! Ewan asked what I thought was a rip-off...I answered.

GWCS said why he thinks £80 for a conny that size is justifiable...fine!

It's all about perception as to what you think a job is worth...and I think £20 for the roof is right...others £80.

Acid test is: Let's both quote for the job...me £20...other w/c £80...

Who gets the job?....Mmmm...tricky one!

NWH

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Re: how much?
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2009, 06:42:52 pm »
You can`t go to the cinema and get a drink and popcorn for 2 of you for £20 lol,i reckon the old custies are having a little laugh at you behind your back for 20 notes. ;D

simon knight

Re: how much?
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2009, 06:46:34 pm »
You can`t go to the cinema and get a drink and popcorn for 2 of you for £20 lol,i reckon the old custies are having a little laugh at you behind your back for 20 notes. ;D

That's OK 8)

GWCS

Re: how much?
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2009, 06:47:46 pm »
You can`t go to the cinema and get a drink and popcorn for 2 of you for £20 lol,i reckon the old custies are having a little laugh at you behind your back for 20 notes. ;D

But you can go to tesco and get 2 cases of beer for £20  ::)

simon knight

Re: how much?
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2009, 06:51:26 pm »
You can`t go to the cinema and get a drink and popcorn for 2 of you for £20 lol,i reckon the old custies are having a little laugh at you behind your back for 20 notes. ;D

But you can go to tesco and get 2 cases of beer for £20  ::)

Take me more than 30 minutes to drink 2 cases of beer :P

simon knight

Re: how much?
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2009, 06:54:19 pm »

At the end of the day I reckon that cons roof is 30 minutes work...£20 for 30 mins work? What's wrong with that?

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: how much?
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2009, 06:57:54 pm »
It takes a couple of mins to fill my van up and about 80% of that is Tax at least, now that`s a rip off.

simon knight

Re: how much?
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2009, 06:59:59 pm »
It takes a couple of mins to fill my van up and about 80% of that is Tax at least, now that`s a rip off.

Totally agree there.