[Simon@arenaclean]

Been using DFC 105 for a while and have been pleased with the results both as pre-spray and in the tank. Out of habit I run cold water through hoses/wand after each job, but yesterday I was pushed for time and didn't get a chance to do it. This morning I found a white light powder residue on the heating element and temp sensor. I have to assume this is from 105. Anyone else experience similar? I've cleaned a lot of carpet with it lately and have had no call backs so assume I have not left it all over customer carpets

Any thoughts appreciated

Simon

[Matt Lindus]

Listen my child, that will be the lime in the water, they did say.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Dfc 210 is what I use on 99% of my work, but it is so economical I can't get rid of the stuff.

Shaun

[elliott cleaning]

Assume you use the 210 as a prespay Shaun!
Is the 105 the same thing but just 50% strength???
Arena, Have had the same problem.  White powdery scum left by the 105 when sending it through the machine.  Haven't got the inclination to start spending time flushing through machine & hoses at the end of a busy day, so it's not on the reorder list

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Yes I use it as a pre spray and find with a nice smelling scent in the water tank it leaves a pleasant aroma and a good clean.

Shaun

[Simon@arenaclean]

I've had excellent results with both 105 and 210, glad i'm not the only one with the residue problem. Shaun do you use 210 in the fresh tank (didn't realise it was an option, if so what dilution) or rinse with plain water/acidic rinse/other or use 105? Agreed 210 is very economical! As 105 is designed not to leave re-soiling residues is the powder residue the result and is what is meant to occur , which can then be vacuumed away?

Ta
simon

[Ricky M]

think Shaun puts another diff scent in the fresh water tank ( thats how I read it anyway )
Use 105 good results but going over to 210 at the end of the month

[Mike Roper]

Been using 105 as rinse for months now on wool,happy with results.Only down side is dilution ratio isnt that good so go through it .I put 100ml to 15ltr bucket.Also good for upholstery.
Is 210 the same but powder form?
Mike

[Simon@arenaclean]

Been using 105 as rinse for months now on wool,happy with results.Only down side is dilution ratio isnt that good so go through it .I put 100ml to 15ltr bucket.Also good for upholstery.
Is 210 the same but powder form?
Mike

Cost wise I find it's similar to prochem's fib fab rinse but it does do a better job. By mistake I only put 60ml in 10 us gallons, i'd been using Clearwater rinse for a few days on a big job and it had become a habit, anyway cleaned as normal and looked a treat. It was not until later I'd realised what I'd done. Not sure if this affects the properties of 105 but it did work. 210 is the traffic lane dfc alternative. I did use 105 as a pre-spray but because it is so economical I use 210 most of the time now. I'm going back to a customer form a couple of weeks ago to clean some bedrooms, I'll take a look at the lounge to see if there is any sign of residue under the sofa's. I assume she still doesn't vac under there

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

So just to confirm - 105 is their woolsafe product which can be used as a pre-spray and a rinse.

What do you find is the best combo ?

210 followed by 105 ?

or 105 followed by 105 ?

Steve

[Joe H]

210 is the powder and is a prespray.
The ratio according to the "tin" works out at 128:1, so economic.
ph again according to the "tin" is 7.5 to 8.5.
The "tin" recommends prespray, aggitate, dwell 5-15 minutes then rinse with DFC105 (I use CWR).
210 can be used with warm or hot water.

[robert meldrum]

Also self neutralising or so I believe

[Joe H]

Robert, I understand that to be so as well.
if that is the case, it is self neutralising, does anyone know why it needs an acid rinse?
Doug, or anyone?

[Mike Roper]

I asked Julie Roberts from Chemspec if you could apply a protecter after 105 since its dfc, and she said yes so thats an added bonus.
Mike

[Ken Wainwright]

I've been using DFC 105 for about a year now. DFC 210 is, as others have said, a pre-spray only, and DFC 105 can be used as a pre-spray and a rinse. Apart from the powder/liquid differences, I believe that the only difference between the two products is that DFC 105 has the addition of lactic acid, a dairy extract, to bring the product into the Woolsafe Approved category.

I have experimented successfully using DFC 105 in ways beyond the labels directions. I have reported my findings back to Chemspec. Although they haven't officially approved the way I use the product, they have been confident enough in DFC 105 to copy my letter onto their own newsletter sent to customers.

Briefly, I have had great success using DFC 105 at1:30 as a prespray on everyday light to medium soiling. The recommended is 1:20. I agitate with an Envirodri E40 and dwell as per instructions. I rinse with plain, cold tapwater. Results are superb. For heavier soil conditions, I will use @ 1:20 prespray and with in tank DFC 105 cold rinse.

I occasionally have immaculate, clean carpets to highlight clean eg show homes. For this I will use the product as an in tank cleaner @ 128:1 as per instructions, mist with the wand then rinse extract. No pre-spray is used.

Whilst researching this product on line, I visited the Chemspec US site and found a small section that had directions beyond the products label.  Normal in tank dilution is as previously stated @ 128:1, and this is for use as an in-tank CLEANER.  It goes on to say that that as an in-tank, when using DFC pre-sprays, you can use it at 256:1!

Where appropriate, you can also use Chemspec's Energiser with DFC and retain some green credentials. I have also boosted DFC pre-spray with Prochem's Citra Boost with great results, always using a rinse agent as above though as belt and braces.

Apart from water, the listed ingredients of DFC 105 are: Sodium Citrate, Sodium Carbonate, Sodium Lactate, Sodium Chloride and Xantham Gum.  Apart form the minerals contained in tap water, it may be one of these elements depositing on heating elements. Perhaps Doug may be able to enlighten us.   I used to experience similar problems many, many years ago with conventional detergent products from various manufacturers. I found that by using Prochem's Fibre and Fabric Rinse just once a week removed the problem.

Safe and happy cleaning
The Ken

[edward coller]

Interested in dfc although we use Hydramaster stukk cant find it in my Chemspec catalogue can anyone help Cheers Simon

[Ken Wainwright]

http://www.chemspecdirect.co.uk/#6583X6636

[colin thomas]

so is it  a micro-splitter type cleaner then?

 

[Ken Wainwright]

No it's not. The only similarity is that it's detergent free.

Here's an extract from their website:

DFC Technology cleans without using synthetic chemistry. The unique formulation of DFC Carpet Cleaner/Rinse turns all soils and surfactant residues into free rinsing soaps and is the perfect rinse aid to neutralize alkali or acid residues from carpets and upholstery. As DFC cleans it converts from an alkali to an acid and contains no pH when the surface is dry. Self neutralizing squeeky clean carpets. DFC Carpet Cleaner/Rinse 105 may be used in Low Moisture Cleaning, portable, self contained and TruckMount extraction equipment and as a prespray.

http://www.chemspecworld.com/fileshare/product_sheets/dfc/dfc_105.pdf

Safe and happy cleaning
The Ken

[edward coller]

Thanks Ken Simon