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suffolkclean

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Cleaning For The Council
« on: April 26, 2009, 07:37:30 pm »
My local council is Suffolk County Council and when calling round schools the other day I've been told carpet cleaning is contracted out via the council. I've seen a tender up for massive cleaning contract for our local university to include a janitor all sorts of cleaning, does the council maybe put a tender up for all the local schools carpet cleaning?
Do any of you clean carpets for the larger councils?

Barbara

Steve Chapman

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Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2009, 07:53:40 pm »
Hi Barbara,

It can be incredibly difficult to get in with a council, we tried for about ten years and got no where, but now we have a fair stream of work from them and all I would say is it mostly depends on who you know!

The carpet cleaning we do is not put out on a large tender but for individual jobs and by rights they should get three quotes for every job ticket! Whether they do or not is anyones guess, but we end up doing a fair amount of work for them.

From what i can gather alot of the tenders are determined way before the paper work goes in ! I think this is normal in alot commercial situations...

regards
steve

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2009, 08:13:00 pm »
I clean for 2 schools and a play group, I approached the facilities manager for the secondry school, the manager of the play group and the Janitor for the primary school....


derek west

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2009, 08:16:52 pm »
when i approached the council about cleaning schools they said it was up to each individual school and nothing to do with the council.
ive done 1 school so far and thats cos the facilities manager lived round the corner and saw my van, took the number down and called me. in this area it definately is the schools decision.
derek

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2009, 08:37:10 pm »
Makes sense, don't try and compete with the big boys when you can get a school at a time or some satellite offices.

They make you jump through hoops for payment though. ::)

clinton

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2009, 08:38:34 pm »
Same here stockport council phoned me and you have to wait about 5 weeks for more for payment also have to have the police check ::)

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2009, 09:04:45 pm »
I didn't need a Police check Clinton, the head mistress know my face from CrimeWatch ;D ;D ;D

richy27

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2009, 09:06:44 pm »
i thought everyone one across the border was a crim anyways

clinton

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2009, 09:10:07 pm »
Colin thought i had seen you in that guy ritche movie ;D

suffolkclean

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Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2009, 09:10:14 pm »
We've already done work for our very local small council, a local school too but neither are linked to the 'county council'. So the schools you've all cleaned for which are linked with the council you got the work direct from the school? - apart from Steve who gets it direct from the council - that's great.
The school we get regular work from isn't a 'Suffolk County Council School' so just wondered how hard it would be to get work from a 'Suffolk County council School'.
Sorry - turning into a 'SALES ....Aholic'

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2009, 09:26:57 pm »
I didn't need a police check either Clinton. Must be the hair and biker jacket  ;D

derek west

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2009, 10:17:29 pm »
I didn't need a police check either Clinton. Must be the hair and biker jacket  ;D
are you a hairy biker mike ;D
russel us up some yorkshire puddings mate ;D
derek

Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2009, 10:20:43 pm »
I didn't need a police check either Clinton. Must be the hair and biker jacket  ;D

Mike

 absolutely nothing to do with this thread, but a comment of yours about bad debts and Ltd Coys:

"I suspect they didn't have as much capitals as you"

But I just wanted to say-I really appreciated the understated humour of it; it probably went over some peoples' heads ;D
Diplomacy: the art of letting other people have your way

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2009, 10:27:58 pm »
Roger

As you know, some will always fall on stoned ground.  ;D

robert meldrum

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Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2009, 10:47:58 pm »
Richard

Which border would that be ?

Jamie James

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Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2009, 05:59:00 pm »
Barbara, most schools now have been given there own budget, we do a couple of schools and find they are getting quotes from various carpet cleaning companies.

Well that's how it is in Somerset, thought was the same for every where, try and speak to the bursar of the school they control the spending.

Jamie
ICServices
Specialist Carpet Cleaners
NCCA Members
Taunton
Somerset

suffolkclean

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Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2009, 07:37:12 am »
Thanks for that Jamie, now I know they have there own money to spend I will contact some more of them.
Barbara

clinton

Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2009, 07:59:15 am »
Spec on there end of year budget ;)

robert meldrum

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Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2009, 09:16:46 am »
For local authority tenders you will be invited to apply online, which involves filling in 64 pages and supplying further information on your financial position, proof of staff training, previous trading history including references, copies of company policies and procedures and more. Also all of your staff will require to have a CRB / Disclosure certificate.

At least that's the stus quo in Scotland and will follow in England in due course.

We recently applied for a tender and what transpired was ( interesting )

There were 18 original suppliers on the invitation to tender list, there were meetings at which we were enlightened about the process and told that ( to make things easier for the council ) only six of the original 18 would be considered at the end of the day ( based on scoring points )

PRICE would account for 50% of the points.

The result is ( we withdrew from the process ) the cheapest has a massive head start and the winner could be the WORST PROVIDER in the area as was recently shown on Panorama.

Sooooooooooooo

If you're s***t hot with your administration / record keeping and absolute CRAP at providing a service you may win the contract in fact you are more likely to win the contract.

After lives have been lost / endangered / and you are unable to fulfil your obligations the contract will be withdrawn and offered to another provider.
While you've serviced the contract however, you may have made enough to retire !

Finally ( and this is why I withdrew our submission ) funding a large contract is very, very difficult and you may hve to spend many thousands on staff training to meet the council's requirements.

Have fun

Paul Simpson

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Re: Cleaning For The Council
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2009, 11:05:34 am »
You make it sound so tempting Robert  ;D. But I'm sure in reality that is really how it is.
We lucked out a bit, school contacted us direct, we quoted and some months later when forgotten about they gave us the go ahead, few days later PO from East Sussex County Council with invoice details, etc.
Regular monthly clean, just started last month but now I'm in there with the council, so to speak, hoping it will lead to more things.