[Jamie James]

Yeah agree with mike

[PaulKing]

They might get it right and then everybody will want to be a member, But it as trade association, i think people expect to much wanting work passed along, if thats what you want design your own logoa ,and promote your own business.

As Joe said members can vote, if your too far away sign over a proxy vote to someone there on the day with the same views.

I'm completely neutral regarding the NCCA myself, I have been interested in the past, but its not for my business at the moment, things may change.


personally I think AFUCP sounds a bit ike a hugarian football team!

[Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)]

they could promote it with someone like bruce willis saying, i wouldn't of got where i am today if i hadn't changed my name to bruce willis, or ringo star.
or has this been done before
derek

Derek

I think you are quoting CJ from "The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin"- I didn't get where I am without recognising the potential far a laugh.

Super! Great!

Hi Tony


I was making a serious point though, that the shorter the aplhabet soup the more memorable, 3 letters is optimum in my opinon.

Cheers

Doug

Trouble is Doug there are too many TLAs - Three Letter Acronyms

[Simon@arenaclean]

How many carpet cleaners are there in the country ? 2000, 3000, 4000 ?

How many menbers has the NCCA got ? 400, 500, 600 ?

I dont know why we spend so much time talking about them.

Steve

I can answer that. It's a basic human instinct to want to 'belong'. Whilst I could not make it to the ccdo those in attendance all really enjoyed it because like minded people are drawn together. I think we all would like an association, like corgi for instance, that every customer would recognise as a symbol of competence if not excellence. We discuss the NCCA readily because we know what it could be but just get peeved because it isn't what we want. So lets all join! Change it from the inside! Not going to happen 'waste of money' 'no-one knows who or what they are' and so on. There have been some dynamic suggestions in this thread and others over the last couple of months and I can recall Derek Boulton explaining to me in 1993 that in 10 years he wanted it to be a requirement to be a qualified member before you got your hands on wand. At the time, and probably now, the board think they are doing the right thing but without  public awareness whilst we might like the ideal we have no incentive to join.

Simon

[Joe H]

When you work out the sums ie 600 members at £200 each is an income of £120,000.
Take out costs of permanent staff, office and associated costs of running a business and you have little left.
Additional income from the training but thats like 5 or 6 times a year.

Not a lot of money left to do major advertising - so little wonder the average householder has not heard of the NCCA.

So more money is needed.
That can be raised in 2 main ways:
more members
more training, perhaps more diverse ie carpets, upholstery, tile, wood etc

with the proposed change of name tag to "floor care" perhaps both the above will come.

however, the comment from Simon (arenaclean) when he says "lets all join" is a good one, so long as those who join want to change things from within. Some of them would have to get involved to change things.

Just my thoughts at 5.25 in the morning (full of a cold and cant sleep).

[derek west]

When you work out the sums ie 600 members at £200 each is an income of £120,000.
Take out costs of permanent staff, office and associated costs of running a business and you have little left.
Additional income from the training but thats like 5 or 6 times a year.

Not a lot of money left to do major advertising - so little wonder the average householder has not heard of the NCCA.

So more money is needed.
That can be raised in 2 main ways:
more members
more training, perhaps more diverse ie carpets, upholstery, tile, wood etc

with the proposed change of name tag to "floor care" perhaps both the above will come.

however, the comment from Simon (arenaclean) when he says "lets all join" is a good one, so long as those who join want to change things from within. Some of them would have to get involved to change things.

Just my thoughts at 5.25 in the morning (full of a cold and cant sleep).

you missed out the third way to raise money. put the cost up, but with a promise and a plan to get recognised.
question to everyone
 if 90% of clients had heard of the ncca, how much per year would that be worth to you guys.
my answer £500 easy
derek

[clinton]

Derek

Are you going to the agm thing mate for the nnca

[daysdeepclean]

Maybe us none members should put our money where our mouths are, and join tha NCCA!

[clinton]

I would have done if it would have been a bennefit for me :

[daysdeepclean]

What I mean Clinton, as has been suggested, if we joined we could put our idea's forward within the association and have it so that it does work for us... Derek for one, has some good idea's and maybe they just need to hear them....

However, maybe the NCCA "should" listen to what the people outside of it's association are saying, after all, they can only gain more members if it meets with the requirements and expectations desired from such!

[clinton]

Know what you mean colin and i think if it does help the new guys in c cleaning then join and change the way they go about it.

[daysdeepclean]

Well I've just booked myself on a IICRC course for carpets and upholstery to get the credentials/qualifications in order to join the NCCA. I'll give it a good crack of the whip and see where it gets me! The course isn't until September so I have a while to go yet!!!

[clinton]

Good one mate.

Maybe it could be you the one to start the change

[daysdeepclean]

I doubt it mate, I may be a "Lower Deck Lawyer" (Old naval term there!!!) writing on here.... But I admit to being all mouth and no trousers

[derek west]

no trousers!

that will get there attention at the AGM
derek

[daysdeepclean]