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R-CLEAN

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protectors
« on: April 11, 2009, 07:45:26 pm »
av never used protecters but have bought some the other day and going to start using them. is there anything i should know when applying ie:- do you aggitate it in on both carpet and upholstery, do they need to be wet, do you spray it on with any imparticular spray,

thanks Ralph

markpowell

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Re: protectors
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2009, 07:55:09 pm »
If new carpets, mist with acidic rinse prior to applying protector, then make sure room is closed until the protector has cured, If cleaning first make sure to rinse with acidic rinse and apply in the same way. Use a carpet grooming rake to ensure all the fibres are protected on each side. Make sure that the protector has time to cure before the carpet is walked on.
Mark

R-CLEAN

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Re: protectors
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2009, 08:18:14 pm »
what do ya mean by cured? (dry)

clinton

Re: protectors
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2009, 08:27:46 pm »
The longer you leave it the better to dry and cure  :)

markpowell

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Re: protectors
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2009, 09:22:47 pm »
Active, doing its job. Protecting!
Mark

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: protectors
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2009, 10:04:54 pm »
You don't need to acid rinse a new carpet, protectors are formulated to bond to new fibres and most wool is slightly low ph than neutral. You can walk on a dry protected carpet as it won't affect the curing procedure you just don't want to spill or test the bead up until 24 hours later.

Used to love Guardsman protector for its quick drying and curing but the smell!!!

Shaun

Ken Wainwright

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Re: protectors
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2009, 10:38:50 am »
Why don't you read the instructions on the label?

There are variations in application requirements from product to product. Generally, a pre-dampend carpet will absorb the protector better. If appropriate, a just cleaned carpet should be acid rinsed as protectors are not compatible with most detergents.

When it comes to new carpets, many think that the pre-treatment with  an acid rinse to to acidify the yarn. This is partly true as a new carpet will have, perhaps, contaminants present which will resist the penetration of the protector. These can include spinning oil and moth proofer, so an acid rinse is, IMO, beneficial if appropriate to the brand of protector used.  Another factor is that acid rinses contain surfactants which aid penetration of the fibre, in other words, they're easier to wet.

As far as I'm aware, all water based protectors should be brushed in and the pile groomed afterwards, skirting boards, doors etc wiped down. Do NOT turbo dry a protected carpet in the early stages.  This may dry the carpet too quickly before full penetration has occured.

As for the curing aspect mentioned by Mark, think of a protector as being like paint. After a few hours it will feel dry, but it's still very easy to rub paint off with your fingers for upto the next 24 hours or so. Ditto for protectors. Curing time varies from brand to brand. It typically varies between 24 and 48 hours.

Safe and happy protecting :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: protectors
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2009, 10:51:33 am »
I recently bought a new carpet for my daughters bedroom, after it was laid I protected it and left a turbo on it to dry faster, the missus said it felt dry in no time but after about 4 hours or so she walked in it (quite a few times but that's women for you) I tested for bead up later when I came back from work may be 8 or 9 hours later and it worked perfectly.

I think the numbers are based on averages, I have always used a turbo drier on newly protected carpets and when I pick the turbo up I test the areas and have always been happy, I test it first then show the customer obvioulsy you want to show something that works before you get paid.

Shaun 

COLIN BRIGHT

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Re: protectors
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 07:24:09 pm »
i was under the assumtion that you should dry the carpet off as much as poss before applying the protector, i know this is'nt alway pratical though
i still have this issue with which to use
water based or solvent
at the moment i only use water base as i was told by mr pearce that it is the safest option
??????????

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: protectors
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 07:42:05 pm »
I aways turbo dry as I'm cleaning so carpets are nearly dry for when I go and get my money :D

Shaun

COLIN BRIGHT

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Re: protectors
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2009, 07:51:02 pm »
ohhh what big pockets you have grandma!!!!!!!!!!!

clinton

Re: protectors
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2009, 07:58:29 pm »
Shaun

How many turbo dryers are you using when your cleaning the   carpets ???

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: protectors
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 08:18:25 pm »
Depends on how many rooms I'm doing at one location but if it is multi rooms 2 turbos, I like turbos because you put them down in place and leave them while you are working they are working for you.

Shaun

clinton

Re: protectors
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 09:45:15 pm »
Guess two max for me at once as its space as well..

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: protectors
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 10:10:44 pm »
You can compete with CD with dry carpets and keep your prices away from the cheap boys.

Shaun

clinton

Re: protectors
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2009, 07:25:25 am »
Right on that point shaun and for the newbies its something to go for..

Gary Webber

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Re: protectors
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2009, 09:00:31 am »
Hi Shaun,

What chemicals are you cleaning with?

Gary

JandS

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Re: protectors
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2009, 09:30:59 am »
Where can you get Guardsman from now.
I was told it was the bee's knees 12 years ago but I never bothered trying it and now you can't get hold of it.
Was also told its application speeds up the drying process.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: protectors
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2009, 04:28:42 pm »
Gary DFC210 as a pre spray and HM's acid rinse (can't remember what it is called) but I use alsorts but that's this weeks mix.

Shaun