[Pureandclean]

Many years ago I had one customer out of a whole street that I did, that made out they had paid, and refused to pay the amount I asked for.
 I happened to be having a cup of tea with one of the other neighbours ( who happened to be quite a talker) and mentioned what had happened.

Well the next time I had a cup of tea with her, she said she had found just that amount of money sellotaped to her doorstep  :

It is amazing what " word of mouth " can do !

[choice.clean]

HERE IS SOMETHING THAT WORKED FOR ME a customer refused to pay me quite determined he seemed on the doorstep. so sent him a letter requesting money on my letterhead and stated please take this as a formal warning that failure to pay will result in legal action which could incurr additional charges. then posted using signed for delivery service with post office i think it cost less than a pound.
but was proof of receipt a bit like using postman as a bailiff. low and behold cheque for £144 in the post by end of the week (definitely one i would use again as it was much cheaper than small claims court) give it a try it really is call my bluff, but what would you do if you had to sign for a letter like that, and owed money ?

[Fieldsy]

but what would you do if you had to sign for a letter like that, and owed money Huh?

Well if you were naive you would probably buckle and pay, but unfortunately no-one can demand money from you unless serving a court order. (trust me I know on this one..lol). I had a couple of debts which were owed and threatened by bull y boy tactics (DCA), and they can do bugger all!!. There is a written law that states the only people who can knock on your door without an appointment is a postman and a person asking directions. Any other individual who stands on your doorstep requesting payment (other than a court bailiff with a court summons) can be removed by the police for tresspassing.
Just a little of my experience...lol 

[Oakley Windows]

I think thats likely to be disputed, unless youre going to re-define the word 'demand'

There is a written law that states the only people who can knock on your door without an appointment is a postman and a person asking directions. Any other individual who stands on your doorstep requesting payment (other than a court bailiff with a court summons) can be removed by the police for tresspassing.

In that case we're all guilty of law-breaking when we go collecting at night.

[Fieldsy]

lol lol  I think its more a common law,

here is pretty much the reply to someone who threatens to "doorstep call" you

Should it be your intention to arrange a “doorstep call”, please be advised that under OFT rules, you can only visit me at my home if you make an appointment and I have no wish to make an appointment with you.

There is only an implied license under English Common Law for people to be able to visit me on my property without express permission; the postman and people asking for directions etc (Armstrong v. Sheppard and Short Ltd [1959] 2 Q.B. per Lord Evershed M.R.). Therefore take note that I revoke license under Common Law for you, or your representatives to visit me at my property and if you do so, then you will be liable to damages for a tort of trespass and action will be taken, including but not limited to, police attendance.


Have used that a couple of times for reasons I won't discuss...lol and no-one has door knocked yet !!!...lol      except a window cleaner...lol

[gerard mcmanus]

it wouldnt matter any way, because if they called the police to report you tresspassing you would just leave before they came, the point being you have ask for payment and they clearly are not giving you it so you've got your answer if they start giving you a speech like that, so either forget it or take them to court which I dont think a window cleaner is going to do, not unless its a really large amount.

[gerard mcmanus]

lol lol  I think its more a common law,

here is pretty much the reply to someone who threatens to "doorstep call" you

Should it be your intention to arrange a “doorstep call”, please be advised that under OFT rules, you can only visit me at my home if you make an appointment and I have no wish to make an appointment with you.

There is only an implied license under English Common Law for people to be able to visit me on my property without express permission; the postman and people asking for directions etc (Armstrong v. Sheppard and Short Ltd [1959] 2 Q.B. per Lord Evershed M.R.). Therefore take note that I revoke license under Common Law for you, or your representatives to visit me at my property and if you do so, then you will be liable to damages for a tort of trespass and action will be taken, including but not limited to, police attendance.


Have used that a couple of times for reasons I won't discuss...lol and no-one has door knocked yet !!!...lol      except a window cleaner...lol

if you gave me that nonsense I would catch you in the supermarket and make sure everyone heard your refusing to pay for a service you requested.

[Fieldsy]

it wouldnt matter any way, because if they called the police to report you tresspassing you would just leave before they came

Exactly.

I agree, you do the work you get paid. I was just pointing out that if someone threatened me with court action (and I don't mean over a £10 or £12 or whatever window clean). I mean certain organisations that thrive/exist on an individual not knowing his rights and bullying them into payment, and I mean legitimate bullies not crombie jackets and hobnail boot brigade...lol.

[Oakley Windows]

Whats a legitimate bully?

[Fieldsy]

DCA, Someone who preys on an individual for debt collection under the guise of a company and not taking into consideration the financial circumstances of that individual, and then threaten that particular individual with all kinds of court threats, bailiff calls and removing of possessions and maybe charges on property, when in fact they can do bugger all without the correct documentation or orders of court. Then continue to harrass the individual via phone calls, letters and "doorstep calling"


That is just my interpretation 

[craig b]

just go to clean them as normal but just clean the frames... thats if your water fed pole...
let the dirty drips run every were.....

someone asked the guy that worked for me to clean ther windows... i never got paid after three cleans... i finally got her going out the day we were due..i asked her for payment .  said she never  asked for hers to be done ... i called my mate over she just blanked us said she had a window cleaner
and got in her car...so done the above

[Dean Taberner]

its criminal damage.

I once arrested a young lad for egging somebody's windows (it was non window cleaning related)

he was arrested for criminal damage. we found him with eggs in his bag.

Dean

[seandyer2003]

haha this forum is funny, dean is obviously in the know as a police officer yet some of you still "know better" even though you actually dont, just dont have the humility to listen to someone who knows something you dont ...  it seems pointless coming on here if you wont have an open mind and not insist you know everything and are never wrong....

[russ_clark]

He is a special
that is not a police officer
I am not going to go on any more on this post
If you read my post I stated enough to arrest
but there would only be a conviction if there was DAMAGE!
In this case putting back dirt/dust would not cause DAMAGE
Specials- sometimes they try hard but do not always get their facts right.


This forum is to help and give advice
Thats what I have done on this

Here endeth my post on this one

[Dean Taberner]

Russ

you've tickled me there mate.

you've basically agreed with everything that I've said but still put a argumentative point to it.

as for specials not being police officers?

what are they then?

window cleaners?

I agree some specials are wannabe fulltime bobbies.

I'm certainly not. I've been frontline policing like I said for nigh on 5 years on a regular basis and have heard many "specials arent police officers" jibes and enjoy them. especially when they're said as im putting the cuffs on or shutting the cell door. I love policing but my window cleaning business comes first.

Dean.

[Dean Taberner]

so true ewan.

Dean

[simbo]

only had this happen once so far and maybe about to do again soon, i have a pump sprayer full of muddy water and just give glass a good splatter, no damage just returning to pre clean condition. Oh and does give a lot of satisfaction.
simbo

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

just invoice them, state that payment must be made within 30 days or a 10% surcharge will apply for each and every month that goes by unpaid.

totally unenforceable unless we had a contract with them ( 99% of my customers have no signed contract with me)

if they dont pay then leave well alone....spend your time on getting other work

[simon knight]

Lady isn't paying (£18). Phoned and left messages, sent texts...no response. Called round...never in.

I'm not gonna waste any more time with it but fully intend to return the dirt to her (front) windows the next time I'm passing. Nothing silly like eggs, oil or paint etc...just dip applicator into bucket, apply to windows and off I go.

Although I'm going to do it does anybody know what the law is on this?

Did it!

Don't think I was spotted but I'm sure Horatio Caine from CSI Miami would have no trouble tracking my car down given the amount of rubber I left behind as I roared away Oh what jolly jape

[johns window kleen]

Nice one.
I hope you didnt make the mistake of ringing her last night to get rear access.