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cavanagh_matthew@y

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HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« on: February 26, 2009, 05:46:17 pm »
HI THERE AS I NOW HAVE MORE THAN 5 EMPLOYESS DOES ANYBODY NO A WHERE TO GET A HEALTH AND SAFTEY DOCUMENT FROM?

THANKS
MATT

pro-clean

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 05:52:36 pm »
hse. gov.uk
Cleaning ..it for a living

cavanagh_matthew@y

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 09:51:15 pm »
Thanks

Robert Parry

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 12:58:48 pm »
As you have 5 or more employee's it is a legal requirement to have a written Health & Safety Policy, this policy document must include all of your activiies, such as sitting at a computer doing your paperwork, cleaning tasks, driving, manual handling etc.

As stated on the hse site, the documents that you may have downloaded from there, will NOT be regarded as sufficient, in order to comply with the current law.

Just one of the many reasons why there are so many H & S companies offering thier services!

Regards,

Rob
A world of difference....

cavanagh_matthew@y

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2009, 07:28:09 pm »
what would you suggest i do then?
i went on one site where u can pay £60 for a health and safety folder documents etc...worth doin??

chloejayne

Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2009, 09:03:58 pm »
As long as you have a H&S policy in place and its left on site its fine.

As long as you are showing that you are doing something, that is good enough! No one gets it perfect!

:)

Robert Parry

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2009, 10:18:49 pm »
Alex,

You are, of course correct, no one does anything perfect, if they did we would have no need to have Health & Safety legislation, as there would be no accidents!

However, over the last few months, the corporate manslaughter bill has been passed into law, this opens up the possibility of serious jail time for anyone who does not take this issue seriously, and of course, you still have the fines!

Taking documents from sites such as this, or indeed, the HSE site, which by the way admits that the available forms, paperwork on its own site are not sufficient to protect any company, is not a good idea.

As the current economic climate worsens, the pressure to do more with less, will increase, more speed equals more accidents, the accident rates within the industry always increase during a recession. Lots of people within the industry will also try to cut costs, during this time, by putting together so called H & S documentation that they have found on the net, the insurance companies will start to look at any claim made, very closely, if you have not fully complied with the law they could refuse to pay any claim, or even sue the company for negligence.

Unlikely, you think?

If you get on well with any of your own clients, ask to see their H & S file, I think that you would find it a bit of an eye opener!

Lastly, your final comment " As long as you are showing that you are doing something, that is good enough" is no defense at all.

Matthew,

By acknowledging that you need to get this sorted, you show that you actually care about your staff and your company, there are various organisations that offer Health and Safety training, for both yourself and your staff, none of them are cheap options, but the qualifications gained can be used to assure client's and prospects that you take this matter seriously, anyone can say on their web site, that H & S is complied with, and that their staff are fully trained, 90% are not!

The funding for such courses, need not all come out of your own pocket either, contact the training organisations, business link, local chamber of commerce etc.

Get the basic qualifications first, then obtain the supervisory and management certificates as your staff numbers grow.

If worst, comes to worst, you could always get a H & S related job after your qualified!

Regards,

Rob
A world of difference....

Robert Parry

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2009, 10:24:30 pm »
Bugger!!!

Forgot to say!

A Health and Safety Policy is required by law, weather you are a one man band or a massive company. This is normally a one or two page document.

A written Health and Safety Policy is required by law if you employ, 5 or more staff, this document can run into 100's of pages if not thousands in some industries. This document must also contain, training records, PPE logs, documented procedures etc.

Regards,

Rob

AGAIN  ;D
A world of difference....

chloejayne

Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2009, 10:52:57 pm »
You are a man of many words  ;D...................and yes your right! but i know companies that are spot on with H&S and still end up hanging in court!

I still believe that as long as your showing that you are doing something your almost there.

I know of Companies that have little to show and have got away with things.


Just try and put as much bull in a folder as possible................like me  :P

Small but perfectley formed

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2009, 03:47:51 pm »
Have a look at www.windowcleaningresouces.co.uk you can buy a load of documents £19.99 this includes H&S policy it is good for the money also risk assesments method statements etc well worth the money.
Spit and polish

hamish

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2009, 04:09:11 pm »
Hi All

You could always have a look at Business link web site they will have all the right sort of info , plus a step by step guide , I think maybe the same as on the HSE site , but with more info.
I have always found all the Info for running a business on there site , you can also arrange a 1 to 1 with one of their advisor 'Free' in the local job centre or council office as they are goverment based.

cavanagh_matthew@y

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2009, 10:03:13 pm »
cheers guys..

joANE

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTETY POLICY
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2009, 10:34:53 am »








hi im a domestic cleaner work alone and was wondering would this apply to me too? i am having some issues with customers! mainly the way they behave during the time im working in their house ie making it unsafe for me and its driving me MAD!! then i think no i dont have the right to say anything even tho i try subtle hints. i dont carry a H&S policy but i used to be employed (rather than self employed i mean :D) and still apply things that i picked up from that job ie i try and work safely for myself and for them but its just going over their heads. anyhow im wafflling.Original question does the policy apply to me. Also just one more thing! i cant force customers to make things safer i wouldnt know how to put into practice   :-\
any advice thoughts (nice ones) appreciated
thanks all
J






Bugger!!!

Forgot to say!

A Health and Safety Policy is required by law, weather you are a one man band or a massive company. This is normally a one or two page document.

A written Health and Safety Policy is required by law if you employ, 5 or more staff, this document can run into 100's of pages if not thousands in some industries. This document must also contain, training records, PPE logs, documented procedures etc.

Regards,

Rob

AGAIN  ;D

Robert Parry

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2009, 12:50:45 pm »
joAne,

As explained in my previous post, single traders to multi national companies must have:

1. A wrtitten Health & Safety Policy Document.
2. Risk Assessments.
3. Public Liability Insurance. (Employers Liability if you employ staff).

This is the bare min required by law.

You dont detail the problems that you are having with some of your clients, but, legally they do in fact have a duty of care, any claim that you might make, would be through your clients household insurance policy.

Purchasing the required paperwork, is really only an option if you are in fact a sole trader or do not employ 5 or more staff, if this does not apply, due to recent changes in the law, you are sailing pretty close to the wind by just chucking in a load bull in a folder will not protect your liberty or your company or personal assets should things go belly up!

If you are indeed, a sole trader, contact me and I will send you the documents that you require, you should be aware, that any documents sent, will be for your own personal use only, and not to be shared, copied or posted with anyone else.

Regards,

Rob
A world of difference....

joANE

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2009, 02:43:40 pm »
hello rob thanks v much for your reply. i thought i might have been reading your previous post  wrong so just wanted someone to confirm that i hadnt.  yes im a sole trader think i have been a bit slack in reminding customers  that i am actually working when im at theirs. if you cant send me the bits where would i get them? (is it the health and safety site ) i have insurance -  public liability, i dont have any employees but i think i need to start acting a bit more professional. ive been with some of these people a long time but whats that old saying' familiarity breeds contempt!' it might be worth a shot reminding them if i did have an accident in theirs it would be off their insurance..talking money always hurts :)
oow before i go do i have to send you an e-mail address for the info?
best wishes
j

Robert Parry

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2009, 05:09:37 pm »
Hi joAne,

You can either put your e-mail on forum or you can contact me at Info@cmccs.co.uk, put the message header as JoAne, that way I will look out for it!

Regards,

Rob
A world of difference....

joANE

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Re: HEALTH AND SAFTERY POLICY
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2009, 06:38:08 pm »
many thanks will do
j