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gwrightson

  • Posts: 3617
Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2009, 07:36:42 pm »
I would love to take you up on your invite Hilton, shame your so far away and no matter what you say regarding m/s which basicly what m power is and the use on trashed black top carpets , you will not achieve the same results as a high ph enzime cleaner with hot, yes hot water. physics alone tell you hot cleans better than cold, fact .

if your statment is true, then why the hell are we using a multitude of chems, spending good money on machines that produce heat ?  I have and still do use colloid cleaners in some instances, but to be honest I do like to give the custy the best results possible and m power with cold water doesnt do it for me, " I must be doing some thing wrong " could you enlighten me as to your pie.

regarding the use of high ph on wool and shrinkage, never shrunk a wool carpet yet " doesnt mean to say I wont get complacent" and worried about ph , come on were talking about a restraunt carpet that is likely to need every thing under thye sun, you really think the owner is going to be bothered? No.
You are not going to do any more harm than whats already been thrown on the carpet.

geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Bob Robertson

  • Posts: 695
Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2009, 07:50:55 pm »
Darren

I've got some Powerburst in my van. If you want to try it out give me a phone tomorrow morning.

Bob

Darren O

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2009, 07:57:53 pm »
Thanks for the offer Bob but i think i wll try the Blitz i got some free when i bought my Raptor so i will give it a try cheers anyway.

markpowell

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2009, 07:58:32 pm »
I would love to take you up on your invite Hilton, shame your so far away and no matter what you say regarding m/s which basicly what m power is and the use on trashed black top carpets , you will not achieve the same results as a high ph enzime cleaner with hot, yes hot water. physics alone tell you hot cleans better than cold, fact .

if your statment is true, then why the hell are we using a multitude of chems, spending good money on machines that produce heat ?  I have and still do use colloid cleaners in some instances, but to be honest I do like to give the custy the best results possible and m power with cold water doesnt do it for me, " I must be doing some thing wrong " could you enlighten me as to your pie.

regarding the use of high ph on wool and shrinkage, never shrunk a wool carpet yet " doesnt mean to say I wont get complacent" and worried about ph , come on were talking about a restraunt carpet that is likely to need every thing under thye sun, you really think the owner is going to be bothered? No.
You are not going to do any more harm than whats already been thrown on the carpet.

geoff

If your using M Power with cold water it only works if you rinse it with a scorpion. ;D ;D
Mark

gwrightson

  • Posts: 3617
Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2009, 08:07:22 pm »
Now thats were I was going wrong mark ;)
Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Hilton

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2009, 08:16:22 pm »
Physics doesn't say anything of the sort, back to school for you me laddie,

Like Stuart we have achieved results akin to anything you suggest using a colloidal cleaner with warm water, like I said experience will teach you that you need a plan B in this game.

We have all manner of heaters, not so many solution nowdays as they are not needed but can clean black top next to you using full power flooding the carpet with boiling water and massive ph and achieve the same results if not better.

By the way read your paragraph 2 and then 3 and see if you can spot the contradiction.  ;D

markpowell

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2009, 08:20:19 pm »
Hilton,
What machine do you have?
Mark

clinton

Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2009, 08:21:20 pm »
All guns blazing ;)

markpowell

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2009, 08:24:34 pm »
Its common sense really, Greasy restaurant carpet, which is best Hot or cold water?
I will just ask my 8 year old son!
He says Hot would be better. ;D ;D
Mark

clinton

Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2009, 08:34:25 pm »
Mark :)

gwrightson

  • Posts: 3617
Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2009, 08:40:31 pm »
Clinten if your reffering to " giving the best results possible " and do you think the owner  will be bothered "

Not a contridiction at all,  I, giving the best results possible , albeit not how you would treat a household wool carpet, circumstances differnent,

and please let us know your cleaning pie when your using cold water and m power.

geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Hilton

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2009, 08:44:55 pm »
Still no answer,

Why would those of you that advocate it, have no problem with a wool carpet being cleaned at high ph or be concerned about shrinkage, come on enlighten me I am sure new cleaners on here will need to know this so it will be educational to all.

Incidentally I have shrunk a wool carpet, Wilton broadloom seems split after cleaning at the Temple in London, so I need to know.

Cleaning pie ? come on Geoff you can do better than that surely.




Mike Halliday

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2009, 09:08:26 pm »
Hilton I'll answer you.

if you are concerned about wool shrinking then you are worry about the wrong thing, I'd be more worried about not know knowing what you are doing, because that's real the cause of wool shrinking.

as for high PH and wool, not recommended on Mrs Bouquets lightly soiled lounge carpet, but when it comes to heavily soiled restaurant carpets we leave carpet cleaning and go into the realms of carpet restoration if this can be done with low PH then great, but often the condition of the carpet warrants something stronger
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

will01

  • Posts: 256
Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2009, 12:05:51 am »
Hilton:

I have mpower and have tried it on blacktop. I presprayed copious amounts, agitated, let dwell for 15 mins, tried to extract it........... then reverted to good old blitz!!

Now I've read on numerous ocassions the comment "If used properly" but no one seems able to enlighten me on how to actually "Use it properly".

I have done exactly what Solutions have told me to do on blacktop and guess what...... it's poop.

perhaps, finally Hilton you are the saviour and will enlighten me on how to actually use this product properly.

Go on tell me step by step how you get black top off with mpower.


Doug Holloway

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2009, 08:05:49 am »
Hi Guys

Don't want to get involved in the hot vs cold debate because scientifically there isn't one ;)

I do think however the black top thing needs looking at.

A pub black top is largely sugar and dirt.

A restaurant black top is food based , hence the need to use either high pH or enzyme to break down the protein bonds.

Cheers

Doug

Hilton

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2009, 09:27:40 am »
Thank you Mike for your answer,

If a carpet is such poor condition as described with copius amounts of black top or soil saturation then almost certainly apart from the soiling from grease and fats and foot fall, it would have been cleaned previously using a hgh ph which has left oodles of residue in the carpet attracting further soiling resulting in the same problem again,

Your right this is now a restoration job but has Mr Owner been told this or is just another job on a bog standard restaurant carpet who's manager not bothered about the results so who cares about standards.

Go in with this attitude and I can assure you you may get away with it a few times but sooner or later that carpet will shrink or the colours will bleed and now you own it.It may not be down to you not knowing what you are doing but the previous cleaners.Thats why I would be worried about shrinkage and colour bleed using the methods described above.

Contract Wilton or Axminster a very very good carpets that will take a beating and a good many sub standard cleans but eventually with the ph raised to such a level that you have now reached the tipping point eventually somthing will give and it might be the time you have taken on the job and you will end up paying for all previous cleans that have been carried out on it.

By all means Blitz it, that Axminster will look lovely in your lounge  ;D

willo if it didn't work for you fine, there are lots of solutions that we have used that I either don't rate or just can't get on with. Your description of it was very succint.

There is no need to use high enzyme and high ph on black top whether be sugar based or protien based as I have already mentioned we can and  do clean without the need. You just might prefer to because thats what you been told and are used to.






markpowell

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2009, 02:35:47 pm »
WHAT A LOAD OF BULL S**T  :-* :-*

will01

  • Posts: 256
Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2009, 03:05:19 pm »
Hilton:

You havent answered my question. If you believe mpower to be so good on blacktop please please please tell me how to use this product properly on blacktop.

Surely if you have used the product on bt and had success then surely if we all used it in that way then we would have equal success.

I AM JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHY YOU ARE GETTING RESULTS ON BT USING MPOWER AND OTHERS ARENT. Your method must be correct so please enlighten me. Please :)

 

JS2

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Re: Chinese Restarunt
« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2009, 04:01:35 pm »
Folks

I understand from a previous post that Martin_606 from Brighton has tackled black-top staining with his VLM system.  Perhaps if Martin comes on-line he could comment on a safe and effective solution ?

Regards

Pete (JS2)