[NWH]

I got called a Pro this morning,mind you i did have my high heels on lol.

[Niall McAllister]

I'm an Entrepreneur and a C.E.O.
 

[gordonswindows]

A professional is any person who is paid money for goods or services.

The question should be what defines a GOOD professional as opposed to a NOT GOOD professional

[Tosh]

Some words or terms such as middle class depend on who you ask. Teachers claim to be middle class, but only a head teacher meets the income requirements.

That's incorrect!  There's many different ideas about how to define class.  I could win the lottery tomorrow, but even being a millionaire wouldn't make me middle class because my attitudes are and will always remain working class.

Have a read about Karl Marx; he was the first person who studied the British class system; it's a good starting point.

[simon smith50]

as i see it a professional in any terms is someone who specialises in providing a service and gets paid for it

[peter holley]

One member on here likes to think that lots of us are not professional.  :
So it got me wondering - what do you consider a professional window cleaner is?
As long as you are insured and pay your taxes then surely you can be classed as a professional? What's your view?

Could be possible some on CIU are not the best people to represent the professional window cleaner.

Profession is your occupation for window cleaners that could mean simply being a member to a regulatory body such as the FWC. To be called professional.

Your attitude and behaviour towards your chosen industry (window cleaning) will give you a strong sense of professionalism. Which is the important part.

Ticking a few boxes like being insured and paying your tax as well as being a member of FWC, won’t qualify you as a professional. As for saying earning a living from doing it full time any claiming benefits could say the same

If you are unable to answer the question confidently and with clarity how would you know if you are a professional?

is that you ewan?

[ftp]

 

You don't need to be a member of any oganisation to be professional. I consider myself to be professional yet other forum members dispute this - why? If we all do the same job for a living and legally then we are all professionals.

[matt]

im a member of the RAC does that count 

cowboy, we all know the men in orange are a poor 2nd to the men in yellow

AA all the way 

[windowswashed]

Some words or terms such as middle class depend on who you ask. Teachers claim to be middle class, but only a head teacher meets the income requirements.

That's incorrect!  There's many different ideas about how to define class.  I could win the lottery tomorrow, but even being a millionaire wouldn't make me middle class because my attitudes are and will always remain working class.

Have a read about Karl Marx; he was the first person who studied the British class system; it's a good starting point.

Middle class people award themselves this status only if they've been to university and left with a degree. No university or degree and they (middle class, (apparently), label others as working class regardless of earning potential.  Quite honestly.....who really cares. 

[sageorgeta]

I class myself as a professional window cleaner because i earn my living from the job.
I class myself as a good window cleaner because i have many satisfied customers and never lose a job for being shoddy with my work.....i also charge for this as a lot of other wc's (especially the trad boys) in this area leave a lot to be desired.
I pay my taxes (begrudgingly...but i pay them),i comply with all legal requirements to h&s,and my vehicles are fully road worthy,taxed and insured.
I think that is enough to make me feel like a professional window cleaner...but that is all i am a small business owner carrying on window cleaning services.

By the way i notice how many associate being a professional as being insured,presumably they mean PL cover...WHY DOES THIS MAKE YOU PROFESSIONAL?

I have it because i do a small council contract,but if i was just 100% domestics then i wouldn't bother...why would i not then be a professional?

[ftp]

Seems the majority of posters on here consider themselves professional window cleaners. My view is that the ones who like to stir up trouble trying to shame others by questioning their intelligence and calling their fellow cleaners unprofessional is the one who is the least professional.   :

[matt]

Seems the majority of posters on here consider themselves professional window cleaners. My view is that the ones who like to stir up trouble trying to shame others by questioning their intelligence and calling their fellow cleaners unprofessional is the one who is the least professional.   :

indeed

but as its just a word, people like to think themselves better than others, and if they want to give themselves a tag and exclude people who they was to feel better than, i guess thats just life

[matt]

so far we have :

Clean windows and you earn enough money from this to support yourself
full insurance
paying your taxes
being full time ( i am not sure on that, as working fulltime is just a matter of time )
having a good selection of kit
being reliable
establishing a good relationship with your customers
driving a proper vehicle not a rundown old golf
works within H&S guidelines
attitude and behaviour towards your chosen industry
member of the RAC or AA 


not that it really matter as long as you are happy with your lot and the service you provide   , i allways liked the red dwarf episode The Inquisitor
,, its ultimately you who judges yourself

[chrisyg]

so far we have :

Clean windows and you earn enough money from this to support yourself
full insurance
paying your taxes
being full time ( i am not sure on that, as working fulltime is just a matter of time )
having a good selection of kit
being reliable
establishing a good relationship with your customers
driving a proper vehicle not a rundown old golf
works within H&S guidelines
attitude and behaviour towards your chosen industry
member of the RAC or AA 


not that it really matter as long as you are happy with your lot and the service you provide   , i allways liked the red dwarf episode The Inquisitor
,, its ultimately you who judges yourself

Ohh rubbish.. Im a member of Green Flag Assistance. Still i never said i was a professional, im a specialist 

[matt]

so far we have :

Clean windows and you earn enough money from this to support yourself
full insurance
paying your taxes
being full time ( i am not sure on that, as working fulltime is just a matter of time )
having a good selection of kit
being reliable
establishing a good relationship with your customers
driving a proper vehicle not a rundown old golf
works within H&S guidelines
attitude and behaviour towards your chosen industry
member of the RAC or AA 


not that it really matter as long as you are happy with your lot and the service you provide   , i allways liked the red dwarf episode The Inquisitor
,, its ultimately you who judges yourself

Ohh rubbish.. Im a member of Green Flag Assistance. Still i never said i was a professional, im a specialist 

sorry but no way is green flag getting in on the act, if we let them on, people would be asking about " more than recovery "

on your bike with that request

[G O A]

i drive a 98 saab turbo but wear a uniform
where does that leave me?
satisfied customers all above board!
insurance
no aa or rac 
half of a profesional?