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cbcs

Fraud by false deception
« on: January 02, 2009, 06:51:14 pm »
I'm going to cut this down to as short as I can...

Mid December on a Wednesday morning I let a lad go who'd previously been working for me. That Wednesday evening I had a call from one of my customers saying that a young lad had been round to collect window money that was'nt owed. She however paid him, as she wasn't sure at the time. The young lad who collected the money said he'd been to cleaned the windows on Monday. The customer scrawled through CCTV footage only to confirm that he'd not been round. He'd collected money by false deception. This has continued and he has continued to go to numerous customers on my round demanding money. Some have paid him, some have paid him with tips, and others have been wise enough not to pay him. Like you all, you will have many customers on your round. I need to write a letter/newsletter up warning my customers of this little scrote but unsure what to say? It will take me a good month to get round them all in person but want to warn them in the meantime. This young lad has never had any authorisation to collect money on my behalf. The Police are now involved.

Your advice would be very helpful.

Happy New Year!

scud

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 07:02:11 pm »
   I know you probably want to do this right, but personally I would of been straight round to him and made sure he won't and couldn't collect any more.

  The police will be next door to useless, but now you have then involved you had better keep it within the law, until the dish has gone cold atleast. ::)

DaveG

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 07:28:44 pm »
What a little tosser!

Did you fall out when you laid him off?

What was he like when he was working for you?

Not much help i know., just interested why he is doing this( apart from the money that is)??

Cheers Dave
You can't polish a turd

cbcs

Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 08:12:29 pm »
He's 19, he didn't like work, well somedays he did, others he hated it with a passion. His mood and attitude would change quicker than my pants.

I let him go because he was always lying to me, been late, sometimes not even turning in.

niceandclean

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2009, 08:19:44 pm »
You did the right thing in going to the Police. I know we all say we would go round to the culprits house and give him what for, but what damage would that do to your business if your customers found out?
Chris i got your newsletter, did you get it all sorted? Yes Mrs customer, i went round there and put him in hospital, he wont be doing that again to me or anyone else!!! Mmmmm!!


williamx

Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2009, 09:05:12 pm »
I would write to all my customers and send via royal mail, kept receipts, you might get this back in any court case action.

Explain what has happened and explain that no one has authority to collect money on your behalf either now or in the future, if they are unsure then please don't pay until they have been in contact with you.

Point out that not only is he collecting for money under false prentences but he is also stealing from them as well as you.

I would also let the police know that you want this money back and for them to give you the forms for the judge to rule on it, when the case is due up in court.

peter holley

Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 10:26:59 pm »
a little chat with him  ::) lol its hard collecting with bad knees'''lol

East coast window cleaning Services

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2009, 10:46:14 pm »
Id throw him in the van and take him for a very very long drive and drop him off with his crutches
P&R Window Cleaning

Dean Taberner

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2009, 10:41:37 am »
Ive had this happen to me in the past too. Over £100 taken :o :o >:( >:(

Im a special constable and dealt with it within the law ;)

Dean
Operations manager at J.V Price Ltd

http://www.thepricegroup.co.uk

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2009, 10:52:33 am »

Im a special constable and dealt with it within the law ;)


The "its not illegal if you don't get caught" law by any chance?? ;) :)

russ_clark

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2009, 12:56:42 pm »
Its theft mate
Get him nicked
If you do it any other way
it will be your turn to get nicked that will tarnish you and your business.
Ex plod  ::) ::)

Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2009, 01:13:51 pm »
can you have false deception ???

cbcs

Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2009, 05:07:02 pm »
The lad has been caught and was in the cells this morning. What happens next, I don't know!

russ_clark

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2009, 05:11:38 pm »
He will be interviewed and his comments taped.
Plod will have to get aggreived statements from all
those that have paid him monies falsely and a statement from your
goodself.
He will either be charged to appear at court at a later date
or bailed to return to the copshop for a decision/ or charge.
Really depends on his previous convictions as to the outcome.
Make sure you put in your statement that you class it as theft from (ex)employer!
The courts frown upon this and could give a custodial sentence.
Either that or a slap on the wrist!
 ::) ::)
Russ

DaveG

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2009, 05:21:43 pm »
Just a thought mate , but if the police are going to be chasing this up and interviewing people ie customers, wouldnt that look bad on you? Customers might wonder what sort of little ****ers you employ?

Dont get me wrong , im on your side and i hate thiefs, just a thought......

Dave
You can't polish a turd

williamx

Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2009, 05:57:00 pm »
He will be interviewed and his comments taped.
Plod will have to get aggreived statements from all
those that have paid him monies falsely and a statement from your
goodself.
He will either be charged to appear at court at a later date
or bailed to return to the copshop for a decision/ or charge.
Really depends on his previous convictions as to the outcome.
Make sure you put in your statement that you class it as theft from (ex)employer!
The courts frown upon this and could give a custodial sentence.
Either that or a slap on the wrist!
 ::) ::)
Russ

Yes the police will do all of this good work, then the CPS will trow it away as not in the publics best interests  >:(

russ_clark

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Re: Fraud by false deception
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2009, 06:09:33 pm »
Generally the CPS do not throw out 'theft from employer'
especially in this case it also involves the public.
As a rule they would throw out most things that do not
give them at least a 60-70% chance of a realistic conviction.
He will probably get a caution if no pre-cons
But at least it is a criminal record.