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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2008, 09:29:35 pm »
funnily enough i tried this today! Reason being pure water treats dirt like a magnet as it is in a unnatural state, anyway thought i would try. did my usual new build type stair carpet pre spray agitate prochem traffic lane cleaner and then rinsed with just water, i could not say any great difference but did seem to need less effort and carpets def softer. will do trials on dif bits and bobs
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Ken Wainwright

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2008, 12:23:53 pm »
As a porty user, I am being educated a little by this thread, so thanks.

Question.

Whilst I am beginning to understand the different consequences between Reverse Osmosis (RO) and De-Ionisation (DI), is there much of a difference between RO and the water filtration that many TMers have on their equipment?

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Veni, vidi vici, Vaxi
I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up!

David Ware

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2008, 03:22:53 pm »
Ken have a water softner fitted in van for TM. TDS reading in my area is 400+. After going through water softner TDS reading is about the same.

David Ware

john rees

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2008, 08:00:08 pm »
Hi All,
        I've been using pure water rinsing since last march and works great it even gives an increase in the water temperature coming from the machine, and saves a fortune on chemical costs, in my experience in that time I find the chemspec dfc chemicals work the best when used as a pre spray.

                                        All the best
                                                          John
john

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2008, 08:07:15 pm »
What do you do John? apply DFC by hydraforce or pump up? rake in or scrubbing machine?

Shaun

john rees

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2008, 08:14:05 pm »
Hi shaun,
              I use a hydraforce and an envirodri machine that seems to do the trick.

                               All the best
                                                  John
john

stu_thomson

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2008, 08:58:58 pm »
Ken, I believe that truckmounters who live in a hard water area would use softened water to increase longtivity to pumps etc (no scale) also softened water is "creamier" so you would use less dertergents hense saving a few bob.

David, Your softened water will be the same tds reading as your normal water if not higher as it is only softening the water and not removing the minerals etc

In my opinion pure water is in fact not aggresive or whatever people think it is, in fact it is just plain water without the minerals in it which would cause spotting on windows.

So to use pure water for carpet cleaning as a rinse after a microsplit prespray is fine and it can be used with your favourite detergent but dont expect any better results!

regards
stu
People say that money is not the key to happiness, but I always figured if you have enough money, you can have a key made!

Mark Sadler

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2008, 08:05:52 am »
Ken, I believe that truckmounters who live in a hard water area would use softened water to increase longtivity to pumps etc (no scale) also softened water is "creamier" so you would use less dertergents hense saving a few bob.

David, Your softened water will be the same tds reading as your normal water if not higher as it is only softening the water and not removing the minerals etc

In my opinion pure water is in fact not aggresive or whatever people think it is, in fact it is just plain water without the minerals in it which would cause spotting on windows.

So to use pure water for carpet cleaning as a rinse after a microsplit prespray is fine and it can be used with your favourite detergent but dont expect any better results!

regards
stu

Well i did my tests and stu is right, absolutley no difference in cleaning power, this looks likes its another one of those old wives tails. Im quuite dissaointed really i thought we had stumbled across something exciting. Never Mind.  :'(
Mark Sadler

carlton care

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2008, 08:25:50 am »
It's always worth experimenting, as long as it's done safely. Having read the posts from window cleaners about " pure water "I've been curious about the possibilities, thinking the p/w was responsible for the magical results on plastics and conservatoties, etc.

Mark Sadler

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2008, 08:32:48 am »
It's always worth experimenting, as long as it's done safely. Having read the posts from window cleaners about " pure water "I've been curious about the possibilities, thinking the p/w was responsible for the magical results on plastics and conservatoties, etc.

When i do conserv cleans a certain amount of TFR has to be used to dissolve the green stuff and dirty water marks, all pure water does is rinse away the TFR and leave a spot free finish. If pure water wasnt used, to obtain perfect results you would have to dry off the whole conserv leaving no water traces.

Pure Water is only magical for leaving a spot free finish not for eating grime.

Mark Sadler

David Ware

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2008, 10:01:10 am »
If you mixed a chemical cleaning solution or MS with a water TDS reading of say 90, would that increase the cleaning capability against using a TDS reading of 400?
No proper studies have been made public which could explain the reason some people swear by MS and others hate them

David Ware

JandS

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2008, 11:42:48 am »
On some dirty carpets I've pre sprayed and agitated but it's still left some stain in the carpet.
After HWE with some Double Clean in the water the stubborn stains disappear.
You trying to tell me that just hot water will do it?
Could save a fortune on chemicals if it were so.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Mark Sadler

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Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2008, 03:48:51 pm »
If you mixed a chemical cleaning solution or MS with a water TDS reading of say 90, would that increase the cleaning capability against using a TDS reading of 400?
No proper studies have been made public which could explain the reason some people swear by MS and others hate them

David Ware

Absolutley Not. I did this test as stated in a previous post. I tried pure water on its own = No Difference in cleaning power and i tried pure water with double clean = no difference in cleaning power. There you go i have released my findings to this closed forum. If you dont beleive me, next time you see a wfp window cleaner ask him nicely for some pure water and try it yourself. Hope this clears the pure water carpet cleaning myth up.
Mark Sadler

Re: pure water carpet cleaning
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2008, 09:41:44 pm »
It's always worth experimenting, as long as it's done safely. Having read the posts from window cleaners about " pure water "I've been curious about the possibilities, thinking the p/w was responsible for the magical results on plastics and conservatoties, etc.

I'm not going to name the companies responsible but some years back when window cleaning by water fed pole and pure water was being pushed, these manufacturers/companies sold it as aggressive water because pure water can't exist naturally.
It sounded feasonable and we dutifully sold it to our customers as such, magic water and all that.
Some window cleaners were ill for a few days after drinking the stuff which backed up the 'aggressive name.' What it actually was, was that the resin that the water travels over was poisionus, but there are now 'food grade' resins that do the same thing but can be drunk.
The reality and all that is actually different. Pure water is just tap water without all the 'add ons' that it picks up on it's travels or which the water companies stick in it.

So as a 'cleaning agent' not much good, but should give a softer finish to materials cleaned as a rinse agent.