[WCE]

True they do bundle and they dont do em all but, the fact is that the market you are aiming for is already reduced by these jokers.

[m.b.s.]

True they do bundle and they dont do em all but, the fact is that the market you are aiming for is already reduced by these jokers.

have to agree i do a lot of shop fronts well priced but has took a long time to build
i have lost a lods to £3 -£4 window cleaners
fair enought if they can do them at this price and earn a living which most cannot thats why i have people asking me to do them again i say no get the other w/c were are they now   
i do domestic as well alot better work than shops if priced correctly
but like you say proper comercial work pays a lot better than anything
 as i have lerned over the past year or so doing these
but  i will never let my domestic go as its your bread and butter if every thing else falls through 
you always have these to fall back on

[ccdm]

YES I agreed with all of that ,the market that I aim at is most places with windows, I dont do WFP so  I am limited to height that I will go 1st floor max,I pick up work all the time from people going round with WFP ,I THINK SOME OF THEM THINK THAT THEY ARE IN THE SAND BLASTING BUSINESS by the amount STUFF left behind on the glass,only last week I got a petrol station for this very reason.

[m.b.s.]

i am wfp but not on shop fronts trad is quicker imo
like you say you are trad not wfp
so you will be limited to the amount of commercial as well as  a lot of sites now no longer let you on with ladders i have found
like you say there is a lot of guys out there who do not know how to wfp properly like some  one has already posted and are giving wfp a bad name
to me a window cleaner is a window cleaner whether trad or wfp as long as they know what they are doing and do the job safely and correct
trad has its advantages same as wfp if used correctly
i wish you look m8
and take it easy on those ladders
martin

[ccdm]

Thanks for that MARTIN ,You are right about the bigger jobs commercial with ladders,I do tend to pick jobs a bit, if any look to time comsuming or awkward to get to I leave out or give them out to someone else,also the bigger the company the longer you (can) wait for your money ,it starts on your terms then starts changing to there terms if they can get away with it,WFP is great when used as it should be .

[m.b.s.]

no probs m8
like you say they try it on now and again bigger com work but if you are like me they dont do it for long im straight on the phone if its not ther when its suposed to be they eventualy get sick of you rining and pay you on time  unlike one this week who hasent payed on time but i let them off as it was a bank holiday