[Azura]

I have a toilet to clean that is in a very bad way, looks like the bowl has`nt been cleaned for some time !

I have been given some T.D.10 . I have not used this chemical before, so do you think it would be up to the job ?

or,  should I just use hydrochloric acid.

Regards

Richard.

[Azura]

The guy who gave me the T.D.10 has just emailed me the coshh sheet for it. It is a hydrochloric acid based chemical so I hope its as good as what he says it is 

[martin19842]

hi there,

if i remember correctly there are a number of surfaces you cant use TD10 on

stainless steel, and vitreous enamel.

so be careful, oh and ventilate the room well, and also lower the height of the water in the toilet, it works better then.

regards

martin

[*Chris Browne]

Hi
Can i also add....where a mask......and don't mix this chemical with anything!!!!


Chris

[martin19842]

hi there,

i would however hope that anybody using these sorts of cleaning materials, were taking or are at leat aware of the ppe that should be used.

it can be quite scary really that people are using cuch chemicals and processes and are unaware of the consequences

regards

martin

[a55essor]

Hi

Can I add use gloves/goggles as well you should really do a risk assessment and test it on small area
Be careful, as martine said it's scary stuff
Kev

[Jake]

Richard

While agreeing with everybody's tips regarding Health and Safety, Hydrochloric Acid is the main ingredient of Brick Acid, and although unpleasant , it is not 'deadly', just use with caution! If it doesn't do the trick, remember some enamel and vitreous toilets are so old they can become beyond 'repair'.
Good luck.

                            Regards, Jake Dillon

[martin19842]

hi there,

jake,

brick acid comes in dirrering strengths, and if used incorrectly will take the face off bricks.  It is infact not a nice product, and should be used with care.

If you dont know what you are doing with brick acid, then my suggestion would be not to use it.

regards

martin

[a55essor]

Hi
What ever chemicals you are using you should know what you are handling and follow H.S.E Regulations, so you are safe in your own well being and others thats were risk assessments come in to play, It's all do with due-diligence.

Kev

[Jake]

Martin

I was really trying to give Richard some advice regarding an Hydrochloric acid based product, and I did say that it is unpleasant and to use with care. But it doesn't have to be avoided at all costs. Brick acid purchased by the public(you and me) is sold in a diluted form, and is safe to use, taking the right precautions. Lets not confuse it with other acids and therefore end up giving confusing and conflicting advice.

                           Regards.. Jake Dillon

 

[Len Gribble]

Hands up don’t know what td10 is?

In the past used Vanasol can’t remember who made it now banned now use Evans vanasol similar spelling not as strong but dose do a good job.

Richard

Ppe has covered.

A good wash down with water before applying any agent that way you will wash away any other previous agents used (the most common bleach), treat any agent as deadly if it gives of a gas especially in confined space with or with out venterlation.


Len

[Derek_Walker]

This should do the trick unless the enamel is already damaged as already stated

As Len says make sure you flush the toilet well to make sure there is no bleach, as mixing the two is highly dangerous.

Derek

[craig b]

  Your T.D10 will do the job.empty the toilet of as much water as you can.
soak the bowl with T.D,Leave it on for about 20 to30 mins.
get a good scrubber and brush AND GET STUCK IN!!

make sure you have good P.P as others have said as it burns.
And it gives of a vapour when mixed with bleach that will take your breath away.

  but it will do the job!!
    Craig ( propertycare N.I)

[DP]

Um not sure about the "take your breath away bit" guess it must depend on how much you use!

I actually did this once many years ago. Was cleaning a void (abandoned squat in this case).  Got to the toilet (absolutely minging) thought to myself I know what will sort this out so chucked a whole bottle of acid in ( I was in a rush) and then stood crouched over the bowl  to see what was going on (as you do).

I had no idea the bowl was full of bleach or any concept of what was about to happen.

However a very nice Fireman explained clearly why you shouldn’t do this whilst evacuating the neighbours either side and instructing his mates where to put the ventilation fans. The woman next door called them in thinking she could smell gas.

I spent the next 24 hours in hospital with a breathing thingy, minor facial burns (sores) and came home with 2 patches over my eyes.

Apparently the gas had continued to fill the property for quite a while after I had fallen over. Just as well I had left the front door open.

A little product knowledge can be really helpful sometimes.  

[carloso]

hi jake
re brick acid," sold  to the public" " Used with care"
 well just a couple of points, as martin said you can get this stuff in some quite terrifying strengths.
the point is the manufacturers will not supply the public ,it has to go through a merchant, reason , if the user screws up it is the re sellers responsibility on two counts.
firstly it is a contract with the re seller that the user has
second it is the re sellers responsibility to point out at time of sale(they never do though) that the product is potentially dangerous and that it is a good idea to read product safe use info etc and be careful.

other point public never read a thing re safe use instrutions thats why we have accident and emergency.
would most of public wear goggles when using,
would most of public know to dilute product into water and not water into products as this has the potential to become a voltile mix.
in my dealings with the public i give them the technical respect they deserve i.e none unless they tell me they are qualified in the subject under discussion

just as a point of interest did you know that most brick acid is between 11% and 13 %  concentrate

cheers
carl

[martin19842]

hi there,


carloso,

we usually use the evans product 18%, the stuff available on the high street, called patio cleaner is as low as 3%

interestingly enough, we saw a new supplier today, and talked brick acid, and have got our hands on 22%

get this its cheaper than the less concentrated stuff, and has the ability to lift cement into suspension.

all good stuff.

regards

martin

[martin19842]

hi there,

also as a another point Sulphamic acid toilet cleaner, is now classed as an IRRITANT since January, and therefore now requires a COSHH assessment.

regards

martin

[Jake]

Martin

Have pm'd you


     Regards.....Jake

[craig b]

 "um takes your breath away dont no about that"
well it did but i didnt use a whole bottle of bleach,but the same situation void property working for a company called orbis pp.big company no training the old one learn as you go .
on the subject of training any body in N. Ireland recommend any training courses on the cleaning subject.

craig (propertycare N.I)

[Neil Mc Anulty]

Craig

as far as I know you can do some basic training in one of the Belfast colleges   (Housekeeping) but for more specialist training I think you would have to go to the mainland.

nr_neil

P.s how is the new contract coming on