[NWH]

Hey thorpe, I didnt delete my post?  Its all still there as far as I can tell.  Only its far back now, page 5.

I do lack tact, that I admit, but arogant I am not.  Actually I have found myself wondering about how other window cleaners work. 

I've never been a fan of bodge systems, i think they are bad.  But trolley systems fascinate me.  If you could work efficiently with a trolley, that would make WFP window cleaning very simple.

I have trouble getting my head around the practicalities of it though.  But still, it must work because people use em.

People use trolleys yes but i don`t think they`ve had the pleasure of a van mount to compare against it.

[David Slater]

David why don’t you put “Reach & Wash” on your vehicle and any other stationary, then contact Ionic and tell them what you have done!

Let us know what happens.

 

Ewan,

Give me 7 weeks to get the website up and I think you'll be VERY surprised with just who has given me permission to use logos/pictures/text and layout.

Hopefully, you'll also be impressed with the results.

On the subject of Reach and Wash - why should I even attempt to use it? Ionics have clearly shown what they will do if I try.

No matter.

...I'm sure they wont mind me giving my business to other companies.



Quid Pro Quo.....as they say 

Best of luck with that mate, get things in writing.


 

Ewan,

Everything is via email and it did surprise me the help and encouragement I received.

Some of these guys are after nothing more than offering help, advice and a 'leg up' for a newbie!

I can understand (after the Ionics debacle) how one might be a little bit more cautious....but trust me, you'd be very surprised just how helpful some people are....I was!

Theres some very good people out there!

Hopefully, I'll be able to give something back.

[L.J.Thorpe]

page 3 actually
apologies i could not find it
thought you had re read it and realised how obnoxious it sounded
silly me eh
should have known you would not be bothered
trolleys have their place but so far i have found the van mount quicker overall
less hard work as well

[L.J.Thorpe]

also i dont think my set up is bodged
its diy but its not bodged

[Roger Slater]

Ive been googling all night,

There are hundreds of uk window cleaning websites using the words Reach & Wash or similar with no mention of Ionics Systems.

Ionics would be in the middle of a legal minefield if they tried to take them all on.

3 words come to mind (Public Relations Nightmare) for Ionics if it ever got in the press, even with a registered trade mark.

I'm sure a well paid expert trade mark barrister would pull Ionics legal team to bits. I bet if i tried to register Reech N Wash as my trade mark i could. The words have the same meaning which I reiterate is Synonymous with waterfed poles.

[David Slater]

Ive been googling all night,

There are hundreds of uk window cleaning websites using the words Reach & Wash or similar with no mention of Ionics Systems.

Ionics would be in the middle of a legal minefield if they tried to take them all on.

3 words come to mind (Public Relations Nightmare) for Ionics if it ever got in the press, even with a registered trade mark.

I'm sure a well paid expert trade mark barrister would pull Ionics legal team to bits. I bet if i tried to register Reech N Wash as my trade mark i could. The words have the same meaning which I reiterate is Synonymous with waterfed poles.

Are we related Mr Slater?

 

[Roger Slater]

Not if you have an Ionics system

[David Slater]

Not if you have an Ionics system

lol...

I could'nt let your name pass without a mention.

 

[matt]

and the final giveaway

Watch that step! It's a doozie!

[dai]

Reach & wash is a brilliantly simple slogan, so is reach & clean.
The problem we have is in trying to inform the public what we do, in as few letters as possible.
We are constrained by the space we have available on the side of the van. It has to be short and simple.
Is there a more affective word than "reach" to describe what we do with a pole? I can't think of one,
and what do we do when we have reached? Clean, wash, scrub, squirt, splash? We are limited by the lack of alternative words in the English language.
It was a very clever bit of branding by Ionics, and if others follow their example we could actually run out of wording that we could actually use to accurately describe our work method.
I agree that Ionics should protect their poleman symbol, but to register words is opportunistic to say the least, and to threaten window cleaners that use them crosses them off my list of suppliers forever.

[jaykie]

Extend and Squirt

Chris

[Roger Slater]

Reach & wash is a brilliantly simple slogan, so is reach & clean.
The problem we have is in trying to inform the public what we do, in as few letters as possible.
We are constrained by the space we have available on the side of the van. It has to be short and simple.
Is there a more affective word than "reach" to describe what we do with a pole? I can't think of one,
and what do we do when we have reached? Clean, wash, scrub, squirt, splash? We are limited by the lack of alternative words in the English language.
It was a very clever bit of branding by Ionics, and if others follow their example we could actually run out of wording that we could actually use to accurately describe our work method.
I agree that Ionics should protect their poleman symbol, but to register words is opportunistic to say the least, and to threaten window cleaners that use them crosses them off my list of suppliers forever.

Well said Dai, i wouldnt even contemplate buying off ionics and this is the main reason.

[dai]

Extend and Squirt

Chris

Or poke and stroke, no that doesn't quite hit the spot either.

[elite mike]

Extend and Squirt

Chris

Or poke and stroke, no that doesn't quite hit the spot either.

how about  slosh & splosh 

[zeusweiler]

Ok heres one for the shurflo backpack user.

wait for it,
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                                                                The mince rinse system.

now go get them vans written