[L.J.Thorpe]

why would anyone care about poxy reach and wash   :
does it actually mean anytthing to anyone outside of industry
i had never even heard of em till i came on this site
so how many  commercial or residential customers will have
and how many will care
my van says "hi reach-pure water system"
that probably means nowt to most prospective customers either
work keeps coming in tho
 

[Ambient Services]

Reach and Wash is not a trademark. 'Reach & Wash' is. They can't touch you if you use the former.

[Nathanael Jones]

I've been looking into registering my own trademarks,... and it isn't cheap! £200 for UK only and £900 for a European trademark is the best I've found so far.
It is a bit worrying that anyone could take my company name/slogan, trademark it, and then sue me for using it!!!

[elite mike]

I've been looking into registering my own trademarks,... and it isn't cheap! £200 for UK only and £900 for a European trademark is the best I've found so far.
It is a bit worrying that anyone could take my company name/slogan, trademark it, and then sue me for using it!!!

hi nat

i like your thermoshine logo, can i use it please

i wont sue you honest.

[Moderator David@stives]

I dont know why you are worried about Ionics, they have done more for this industry than most. Maybe with a vested interest, but all the same they have done a lot.

There are millions of windows out there, if you cant get your market share then you are doing something wrong.

[Moderator David@stives]

I think about 100'000 including part timers.

There are about 24 million houses, but havent got a clue about how many commercial premises there are.

[john tomkins]

Assuming 1 in 5 have their windows cleaned (guessing), that leaves about
5 million houses to clean, divide that by 100,000 window cleaners and you get each window cleaner with 50 houses? Don't seem right somehow

[Glyn H]

Hi Dave
Somehing wrong with your equation-if one in five has their windows cleaned then 19,000,000 need a window cleaner

[Moderator David@stives]

The house figure is according to the national statistic centre, I have researched the window cleaning numbers a few times, there are all sorts of figures as you said.

The most reliable one i think was found on connexions or another government site, cant remember which one exactly.

A lot  of window cleaners are part time and a good percentage have a lot of commercial.

[Moderator David@stives]

Hi Dave
Somehing wrong with your equation-if one in five has their windows cleaned then 19,000,000 need a window cleaner

Dont you mean John.

Glyn has also done a lot for the industry, thanks Glyn

[stevekennedy]

The residential systems are not massively popular. Most people can't be bothered, this is why they employ a window cleaner in most cases, not because of a lack of equipment. After all, most domestic windows open in for cleaning.

Ettore make far more money from domestic plastic squeegies than they from selling pro gear to window cleaners. Ionic are trying to do the same. This is just business. But don't worry, the nation is not suddenly turning to DIY.

Unlike Ettore, the bulk of Ionic's sales are to pro window cleaners.

I have asked my contacts there about all the Trade Mark stuff before. It is primarily to stop other manufacturers from passing off their equipment as Ionics.

However, because they are trying to market the term as a mark of high quality, they have to defend all unauthorised use.

You could simply use the term "Pole Cleaning" or "Water-fed Pole". Most people know what you are referring to. One of our customers calls it the "Stretch & Wash" system. Except she is scottish so she says "Streetch & Wahsh"  :

[TennetClean]

I have to admit this is pretty hilarious.  Especially what david slater has said.

LOL

"Shot themselves in the foot" "made me a very unhappy bunny" LOL do you think they could give a toss what anyone on here thinks?  99% on here are not and in all likelihood never be their customers anyway.  I'm an exception and look how much stick I get lol.  No, no the people on here are primarily bodge-it merchants who cant quite believe the prices that ionics can charge, so they're not loosing anything by upsetting a bunch of forum numpties.  And as for nobody knowing what it is, thats wrong.  Commercial customers ONLY know reach & wash, they dont say "waterfed pole system".  LOL if its such a not-known-about thing then why is everyone and his dog falling over themselves to use it even illegally.

And LOL @ L.J.Thorpe.  Think you might have meant my good self?  I'll be honest, on this occasion I had nothing to do with reporting anyone, and I cant even remember the original thread.

HOWEVER, I would not hesitate to report someone if they were using the logo when they didnt have a real reach and wash system, especially if they were local to me.

Like I said, I think its pretty funny.  My advice is, if you want to use their logo then do what I did and get one of their systems.  Simple really.

[merson]

I am going to use there Logo on my new van , I cant believe it free !!!!! 

[merson]

sorry t clean... you come a cross as such a prick

Sorry to contradict you , but the particular part of the anatomy refered to is usefull , so it doesnt apply to toilet clean 

[john tomkins]

Hi Dave
Somehing wrong with your equation-if one in five has their windows cleaned then 19,000,000 need a window cleaner

I'm assuming you mean me

Dave said "There are about 24 million houses" I assumed (correctly or incorrectly) that 1 in 5 have their windows cleaned, then  24,000,000 divided by 5 = 4,800,000, I rounded this up to 5 million.
How did you get 19 million, glad you're not my accountant

[merson]

Hi Dave
Somehing wrong with your equation-if one in five has their windows cleaned then 19,000,000 need a window cleaner

I'm assuming you mean me

Dave said "There are about 24 million houses" I assumed (correctly or incorrectly) that 1 in 5 have their windows cleaned, then  24,000,000 divided by 5 = 4,800,000, I rounded this up to 5 million.
How did you get 19 million, glad you're not my accountant

Dave has a firm of accountants !

[craig b]

i use it on my van....i bought the domestic system(pole and di cartridge)...five years a go for one off job...well worth it

[zeusweiler]

 

never thought of that, even if it is residential it is a complete system that they offer for sale.

[john tomkins]

Hi Dave
Somehing wrong with your equation-if one in five has their windows cleaned then 19,000,000 need a window cleaner

I'm assuming you mean me

Dave said "There are about 24 million houses" I assumed (correctly or incorrectly) that 1 in 5 have their windows cleaned, then  24,000,000 divided by 5 = 4,800,000, I rounded this up to 5 million.
How did you get 19 million, glad you're not my accountant

Dave has a firm of accountants !

Who mentioned Dave, it was Glyn that made the mathmatical error....get with it

[zeusweiler]

Reach and Wash is not a trademark. 'Reach & Wash' is. They can't touch you if you use the former.

I had a listing for a pole removed on ebay before for saying "you can reach and wash windows with this pole" as the listing breached copyright.

We emailed the guy to ask what his problem was that reported it to ebay and he couldn't give a straight answer when we said to him that you cant copyright the english language. i wish i could remember what his name was he's prob on here or some of the other forums. the funny thing was we sold the pole and some other stuff as we had an order with ionic for a new multipole at the time.

very very petty me thinks