[Clive McDonald]

Maybe you can learn something then Julian.
What?
Well number one is the point you make.
Number two is maybe you need to invest in another van.
Number three is maybe NWh is right.

[julianbiggs]

Some of you are soooooooo missing the point. This thread was never directed at the people like  yourselves and us, too much work. Not enough yet to expand, but still considering weather too much calendar work.

It was aimed at people who may not have a full round who want to " fill in the gaps" they have in their month by earning some extra money.

I didn't put that on the original thread, cause to be honest it must be obvious who its directed to. If you're already too busy you wouldn't have bothered replying to my original thread about expected daily rates.

If you look at some of my previous threads you'll see that we are considering, very seriously about expanding and spend pretty much all day talking about it. But there are lots of factors to weigh up.

The guys who have replied with comments about expanding please email me your experiences so we can use them to evaluate the pros and pitfalls before we expand. julianbiggs@rocketmail.com.

[Moderator David@stives]

Maybe people dont want to fill there gaps with less than £200.

If it were me i would value my spare time more rather than earn less than £200.

Maybe you asked in the wrong place, what i would of done was offer £100 a day, take it or leave it.

People will always chance there arm given a choice

[supernova77]

I don't understand why some of you guys don't think that £200 day is possible?

Andy

[peter holley]

I don't understand why some of you guys don't think that £200 day is possible?

Andy





my thoughts exactly.... what are people doing with their time?? im home by 2pm most days

[windowwashers]

I don't understand why some of you guys don't think that £200 day is possible?

Andy

I would have to work a week for that sort of money

[kris martin]

I don't understand why some of you guys don't think that £200 day is possible?

Andy

I would have to work a week for that sort of money

it would take me 2 weeks and thats with overtime and saturdays..

[Sir Squeaky]

Thanks Squeaky someone being realistic. As i said earlier if we were to pay between £200 and £300+ then to make it worth our while we need to turnover £600+ a day.  No sensible person running a business would pay somebody more than they would earn.   

depends what you mean by being realistic,that might be realistic to him and his round but not me.It makes me LOL when i see people write that certain things are not possible,how the hell does anyone know what is possible for me if you have an average round of domestics built up over years you should be able to do over £200 a day easy.That is not a boastfull egotistical statement it`s a fact and if your not doing that i would seriously look at your business and where it`s taking you.

Well I know at least a dozen window cleaners, and not one of them does that sort of figure, or if they do then it's never more than once or twice a month.

It's not anything wrong with my work.
I bet over 95% of window cleaners in the country make well under £200 a day.

It's you who's unrealistic.
We just tell the truth.

Get off your backside and get some decent work,all you do is moan and complain so there`s nothing new here is there,this is a perfect thread for a moaner reflecting on his work and a thread your quick to reply to.It`s as if your sub concious mind is telling you your a no hoper,not only you don`t beleive me you also don`t think it`s possible what chance do you have you that approach,arrogant i am a liar i am not.

I'm happy, I've got decent work, I'm not moaning.

Also...I'm not full of crap.

[supernova77]

I'm happy, I've got decent work, I'm not moaning.

Rog,

The other week you were saying the exact opposite!

www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=58491.0

Andy

[Pj]

Well a lot of you guys are obviously doing well in an affluent area!

I'm in a lower than average wealth area, average price for 3 bed semi?  Approx £185k

I'm sure very few if any w/cs round here gross £25k pa.  and that equates to average turnover of £100 per day.  FACT

The strange thing is though, that you probably still couldn't get someone to work for you regularly for less than about £100 per day.  The migrant workers will though.

Lazy English I suppose, they read on here that they should be making £300 - £500 a day and it has the opposite effect to what it should have!  Instead of seriously working towards a realistic figure, they can't be bothered to start working for less than you geniuses!  And in the process they're ripping people off and giving wfp a bad name.

So I agree - Keep it real!!

[seandyer2003]

i had a some days free a while back, and a friend of mine was after some help doing some tree surgeon work so i agreed to help, he asked what day rate i would want and i told him id do it for around £120  a day as i didnt mind helping him out and i had the time free anyway, anyway he never got back to me and i know he took 2 other guys at £50 each! I dont think 120 is alot when im expected to pay my own tax etc on the money, plus it was 2hrs drive each way, pay peanuts and get monkeys!!

[trevor perry]

its funny a lot on here boast of making four or five hundred a day and yet very few are vat registerd at these sort of earnings 3 days a week would push you over the vat thresh hold are some of you not being honest with your bookkeeping

[Clive McDonald]

I've been thinking about this today- why rog can't make a go it, and i've come to a conclusion.

Every day that I earn well involves a lot of mental flexibility on my part. I've come back off holiday so have an eight page list. I hit the list hard trying to earn as much as I can each day. Many of you must do the same thing, you choose the jobs to maximise the earnings. I might do a job on page one, then page seven then page four.

I think on my feet and I like to think I am very good at it.Many of you must do the same.

And my point is?

Well my point is that if am at pretty much full stretch mentaly, and i have a list provide by george( computer) then the guy who has a pen and pencil can't really compete.

I've got no work, he has he just doesn't know it. He'll spot a job tonight and think, I could have done that if only I'd known.

I know for a fact Rog hasn't got George because he's mentioned it before. Without this you lack the flexibility to even attempt to maximise earnings.

My apologies to those that think this is so obvious that it makes you sick, but some people genuinly don't know this.

[Oakley Windows]

I'm happy, I've got decent work, I'm not moaning.

Rog,

The other week you were saying the exact opposite!

www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=58491.0

Andy

Yea Squeaky, come on, be realistic      One week you post the most sorry-ass story (well, the most sorry-ass story this forum is likely to hear) about your job and how damn crap it is the next week your saying your not moaning. If people are to believe you at least be consistent.

[NWH]

I'm happy, I've got decent work, I'm not moaning.

Rog,

The other week you were saying the exact opposite!

www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=58491.0

Andy

Yea Squeaky, come on, be realistic      One week you post the most sorry-ass story (well, the most sorry-ass story this forum is likely to hear) about your job and how damn crap it is the next week your saying your not moaning. If people are to believe you at least be consistent.

Thankyou Matt i was beggining to think it was only me lol.

[Paul Coleman]

its funny a lot on here boast of making four or five hundred a day and yet very few are vat registerd at these sort of earnings 3 days a week would push you over the vat thresh hold are some of you not being honest with your bookkeeping

I don't see too much about people earning £400 - £500 a day regular.  Today, I did a proportion of what for me is a very large job.  I'm not going to get my slide rule out but I bet I didn't do far off £500's worth when I include the shop front I did first.  It's been a long hard slog though and I've had it.  I couldn't sustain that day in day out if I wanted to.  Going back tomorrow to complete it.  Those sort of jobs come around only occasionally for me.
I'm nowhere near VAT level BTW.  I won't be next year either.  In fact, I don't think I'm physically capable on my own of turning over enough to be forced into VAT.

[NWH]

I don`t think anyone would disagree with the fact that the amount your on about per day on your own is possible day in day out at all it`s not,i think the thing that has kept this thread runnong so long is the fact that some don`t even think you can do £200,i reckon there winding us all up lol.

[merson]

I dont get out of bed for at least £500 .  I would rather be on the golf course 

[Paul Coleman]

I don`t think anyone would disagree with the fact that the amount your on about per day on your own is possible day in day out at all it`s not,i think the thing that has kept this thread runnong so long is the fact that some don`t even think you can do £200,i reckon there winding us all up lol.

There are plenty of days where I don't do £200 as well.  That is my next target - to hit £200 a day consistently.  I do it a number of times in quite a few months and I see no reason why I can't do that a lot more often - especially when there is a reasonable length of daylight.
And for the sceptics, I do declare every penny too.
I don't really like talking too much about money and generally try to avoid it.
Irritated that I've allowed myself to be sucked into this.

[Clive McDonald]

Yes it's not something that makes you feel good, but you've added balance shiner. What about my point? surely on the better paying days you have to use a bit of brain power too. I know you don't have George either, but i'm telling you the juggling and flexibility is made easier if you have.

I think Rog may be falling down on this planning side.