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[Oakley Windows]

The obvious time saving comes with leaded windows. 

Even more so with Georgian

[Joe Lauzon]

If you have no mortgage you laughing anyway,we all strive for that luxury.What do we all say about work well it pays the mortgage,if you don`t have 1 life must be a lot easier for you you git,saying that i only have a small 1 lol.

Well, I bought my house when I was young, so it isn't as impressive as it seems.  The house was only 50k.  

[john tomkins]

I put a lot of that time saving to excellent tools like the SL-X, but still wfp has been an absolute dream for me, it's so easy, I earn atleast a good 100-150 more a day now. With perfect results

I'm sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation , but you have failed to tell how you can increase your earnings by £100 - £150 a day more
You are twice as fast now, so where is all the extra £25,000+ of work coming from ?

[NWH]

I put a lot of that time saving to excellent tools like the SL-X, but still wfp has been an absolute dream for me, it's so easy, I earn atleast a good 100-150 more a day now. With perfect results

I'm sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation , but you have failed to tell how you can increase your earnings by £100 - £150 a day more
You are twice as fast now, so where is all the extra £25,000+ of work coming from ?

Leave him alone John he`s just keen lol.

[dave0123]

Well i dont no what am doing wrong 

am either slower or the same speed as trad!
and sometimes dont come up as good

[john tomkins]

Leave him alone John he`s just keen lol.

Keen.......I'd say he's absolutely brilliant

If someone comes on here bragging and the figures don't quite add up, then I just need additional info, not my fault I'm thick

[NWH]

Well i dont no what am doing wrong 

am either slower or the same speed as trad!
and sometimes dont come up as good

Dave don`t forget to turn the water on lol.

[Feen]

I have no doubt that wfp is quicker than trad generally, so you should be able to make more money or do your week quicker. But there are windows and there are windows and there are windows. Loads of them, lots of different types, shapes, positions, frames, paint, bad seals etc etc. I did a house today for the 4th or 5th time today wfp. All perfect except one. Same as every time. Don't know why, but it will be quicker for me to trad it. I have been using wfp for a year now and am still learning how best to clean the houses I know. Some are all wfp, a few all trad, some wfp up and trad down. Some like the one mentioned - got a "rogue" window. My advice would be remember you are a window cleaner, not a wfp w/c or a trad w/c. Get the windows clean the best way you can.

[NWH]

You would be very surprised there`s a lot of people that have got into this business in the last 5 years or so that have never picked up a blade and scrim and have no intension of doing either.I know what you mean but there are WC`s around that will only WFP and WFP only except the odd inside window.Mainly they have bought into the business ie ionic done a course purchased some work and off they go not like us blokes that have maybe done trad for 10-15 years.

[mark dew]

i forgot to mention that i never encountered any problems or unhappy customers until the 3rd month. It was only half a dozen but it felt like my round was rebelling at the time.

[Feen]

You would be very surprised there`s a lot of people that have got into this business in the last 5 years or so that have never picked up a blade and scrim and have no intension of doing either.I know what you mean but there are WC`s around that will only WFP and WFP only except the odd inside window.Mainly they have bought into the business ie ionic done a course purchased some work and off they go not like us blokes that have maybe done trad for 10-15 years.

Good point, albeit a depressing one Maybe I was lucky in that I didn't go into this as a career. I was looking for something to do and started helping a mate (trad). My business grew from that. It annoys me when I read on here people advising others to go straight for a van system at great expense. Money well spent if they know what they are doing (i.e. know what a clean window looks like) and are intent on continuing in the business. But it's not the way to dip your toe in the water.

[ftp]

You would be very surprised there`s a lot of people that have got into this business in the last 5 years or so that have never picked up a blade and scrim and have no intension of doing either.I know what you mean but there are WC`s around that will only WFP and WFP only except the odd inside window.Mainly they have bought into the business ie ionic done a course purchased some work and off they go not like us blokes that have maybe done trad for 10-15 years.

That's me, never lifted a squeegie in anger untill i had to. Never went on a course mind, or bought work but for the first year i didn't need a blade in my toolkit. It is quite possible to be purely wfp.

[matt]

im about 10 % faster on my round and thats the truth

im not using WFP for extra earning though, its about being stood on the ground and knowing im safer

but we have people on here who earn 500 quid a day, so it must work ok  :

[ftp]

I needed a career pretty sharpish and spotted a van system on the net and thought "i can do that" and anyone with half a brain can. Cleaning's the easy bit the hard bit is building a quality round - takes years from scratch and i'm not there yet.

[NWH]

im about 10 % faster on my round and thats the truth

im not using WFP for extra earning though, its about being stood on the ground and knowing im safer

but we have people on here who earn 500 quid a day, so it must work ok  :

[Feen]

im about 10 % faster on my round and thats the truth

im not using WFP for extra earning though, its about being stood on the ground and knowing im safer

but we have people on here who earn 500 quid a day, so it must work ok  :

Yep, I broke two of my records last week. Daily and weekly earnings. Neither started with 5

[NWH]

It`s amazing the potential in this business,last week i earned 200 quid lol.

[L.J.Thorpe]

ifyou can do an extra 100 to 150 a day you are about to encounter a HUGE black hole in your round
probably some time next week

i forgot to mention that i never encountered any problems or unhappy customers until the 3rd month. It was only half a dozen but it felt like my round was rebelling at the time.

i agree with mark on this
a rash of problems and complaints about 3 months in
almost all resolved in the end tho

[Wayne Thomas]

Tim, if you really were a very quick trad window cleaner, like you say, this has to be a wind up.  I'm 15% max quicker after 3 years of wfp.  I work as quick as the other wfp guys in the area, I work with a couple on a few big schools.

Is it the type of work that leads to the huge gains?  No offence, but I find this hard to believe, impossible actually, having been there and done (well, doing) it.  Certain commercial jobs I understand after a clean or two.  But in your 2nd week?  Come on...

15% quicker,no offense Joe but you can`t be quick with the pole.If it was only 15% quicker i`d be crying into my tea as we speak.A very fair gauge would be to say that over the course of a week if you just plod along with the pole and don`t really go for it you will knock at least a day off of your working week,you must be doing to much scrubbing.The comment about the longer you`ve been doing it the quicker it gets is so so true aswell,if your doing jobs on a regular basis the window`s hardly need scrubbing,sometimes it`s so quick it`s cringeable.

Well, a day a week you say.  Thats 20%, I'm saying 15%, thats not a whole lot.  

To give some background, I am 33 and started at 17.  So I was young and experienced as a trad cleaner towards the end.  I did tend to "run" all day, and enjoy it as I play a lot of a sport.  That may explain the 5%?

To get more specific.  Lets take a little road I do.  8 houses.  All 3 bed semi's.  Modern houses, with standard upvc windows.  1 van move, 2 locked gates.  The houses are basic, not tiny, but almost all young families, you probably know the type.

I took 2 hours on a normal day using trad methods.  That allowed for no tea drinking and decent weather.

I am now taking 1 hr 40 minutes with the pole, allowing for no tea drinking,  or bad weather.

I charge 7.50 per house (south west), and regard it as a nice little patch for me.

Do either off those times sound out of sort to what you would expect?

I live in the south west of Devon and I wouldn't do them for £7.50.... ask more, quite a bit more. And you could do 2 semis with conservatories in an hour doing new cleans, easy if you're up to speed  and 4 if you're a whizz kid trad who's young