[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Hi All

Cleaned a 100% wool tight loop pile berber on a stairs and landing yesterday morning and applied flouroseal plus protector straight after. Left the house at 12 noon - all windows open, good ventilation but heating not on.

Customer has just phoned to say that the carpet is still damp at 5pm the following day.

Any ideas - could the protector be increasing the drying time ?

Steve

[MICHAEL_GAYTON]

what did you clean the carpet with!! did you rince out with a acidic rinse

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Pre-sprayed with multipro and rinsed with pureclean

[MICHAEL_GAYTON]

maybe worth dropping off air mover

[davep]

Multi pro is ph 10.5 and pureclean 9, bit high for 100% wool, was it minging Steve?

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

It was 3 years old, not cleaned before, but wasn't filthy.

Does the high ph increase the drying that significantly ?

[John Gregory]

I thought the carpet needed to be ph neutral for the protector to work

john

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Steve.

pH will not affect drying time unless you manage to set up an exothermic reaction, the Texatherm system is supposed to do this.

Anyway I digress two factors are adding to the drying time, the general high humidity and cool temps and the added protector.

Protectors contain water and a film former, which will slow drying as the film envelopes the carpet fibres.

Tell them to put the heating on and ventaillate well, should be no problem.

Cheers

Doug

[MICHAEL_GAYTON]

the stain protector is not adhering to  the carpet maybe best to reclean with fabric rinse in the tank and dry it with air mover

[mark_roberts]

These carpets will take the longest to dry even with a TM due to their makeup ie. 100% wool and its a berber which also hinders drying.

I have started to use a fan on these straight away as they can take 24hours + in the wrong drying situations.

Protector increases dry times regardless of what the carpet is made from. 

With the humid weather its all against you.  Drop a fan off and consider the above for next time.

Mark

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Michael, although it is preferable to apply protector after spraying with an acid rinse or cleaning with same, the protector will still adhere although  the bond may not be as good.

This is a case of not pannicking but explaining to custy that the additional water in the protector , combined with the generally poor climatic conditions has incresed the drying time.

Cheers

Doug

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Thanks for the replies guys.

Think I have been unlucky with this one - high humidity, no heating on, thorough clean and adding protection.

Definately remember this scenario next time - typically it couldn't have been a more straightforward job.

Steve

[MICHAEL_GAYTON]

yes but he needs to keep the customer happy.so i would still drop a blower off. ITs always best to watch your ph.
mick

[John Gregory]

Is it not dangerous leaving a berber carpet damp for such a long time especially if its hessian backed  I thinking possible shrinkage


John

[markpowell]

On 100% wool carpets not much of the moisture will hit the backing if any at all, due to the fibres holding onto the water and not giving it up so easy, this is why no matter how many vaccum only passes you make the drying time is still on the long side.
Mark

[markpowell]

Doug,
I was trained and led to believe that a carpet had to be on the low PH side before you could apply a fluroseal protector. Is it right that you should give a misting of Fabric / fibre rinse even on new carpets. If not i have  been wasting my time and product for the last 8 years.
Mark

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Mark

It is definitely best to spray acid rinse before as the protector will bond better, so you have not been wasting your time

The point I was making is that the protector will still bond, although probably not as well if the pH is higher.

Preparation is always key to achieving good bonding.

Cheers

Doug

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

It's my own fault - I always used to rinse every carpet with fibre and fabric, so never gave a second thought to applying flouroseal on it.

Now that I am using Pureclean as my day to day product of choice I forgot the fundamentals.

Steve

[markpowell]

Cheers for that Doug i will carry on as i have been doing got me paniking, whilst on the subject of Stain protecting Olympic cleaning are now selling scotchguard in 4 litre containers dilutes 1-8 so will make upto 32 litres of usable product for £35.00 + VAT can also be used on upholstery. Sure you will agree its a good deal
Mark

[markpowell]

Steve,
Have you tried using pureclean as a prespray and rinsing with fresh water. I use to use multipro but since trying pureclean havnt looked back, i do use pre-spray gold and fabric + fibre rinse on wool and wool mix.
Mark